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The Legendary DJXYZ
Probably better to ask in the official Smashboards thread, make a new thread in light house, check the official RoA forums for a similar thread, or use the reddit; more likely to get the answers you're looking for since this board and thread are dedicated to Sm4sh.
what characters have you had fun with so far? I could play you and help you decide if you want. Also what Francis's is your favorite?
I'm down with playing some games!
We can tomorrow or maybe a bit tonight but only on 3DS. It took my about a year to find a true main (until Roy came along dlc) so I know what you're going through and will defiantly hell out as much as I can. Hopefully I can help you narrow down to atleast 5-10 for now.
I don't have 3ds so definitely down to play some matches tomorrow
Niche
Your style (according to your friend) covers a lot of territory. However, since you're having so much trouble knowing what you like, I would suggest you refer to the method outlined in this handy post.
Nice_FZPSC.42
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because he was my main in Brawl, but i didn't felt good playing with in this game (even with those buffs from now) but i had a hard time to get the kill, and if i compare with another characters he's poorly in spacing tools and that thing (yeah all are FE chars lol) and i like how i can play it but also have a bad time to kill, and also another problems with MUs (cheap character, next month will be banned here) (meh)(i have problems the inputs, i make fast fall and he does hadouken, or i simply SD :/)
it's interesting that you're struggling to Kill withHi everyone, i'm here searching for a main (obviously)
In early Sm4sh i used to main
So i moved to
Until a few months ago i started to play more seriously
And now i'm here, i tried to play probably everyone in this game but it doesn't fit (even the Miis, i like gunner but hey, it doesnt kills very well)
Some people told me that my playstyle is mostly aggresive but i can also play defensively as a mixup option, i want something who's not that hard to kill because i'm pretty tired of try a lot of gimmicks for get the stock and my opponent only does one simple dumb thing and... well that
Kills throws are not necessary, but i need fast and kill moves
I don't like
since they are such heavy hitters. I'd say try out and see how you like them. They are all atleast pretty fast and kill easily. when they are some of the easiest to kill with that don't have kill throws. It could be how you are playing them. Are you edge guarding with them? Being a main with as a pocket I could teach you how to use them and tell you set ups and stuff. I have experience with too so I know some stuff. It could just be that your playstyle doesn't work with these characters too.
I always go for the edgeguard or gimp with them, the main problem is that i can't go for that hard punish to kill, i know the setups for those 3 characters but i can't put into a real battle of a tourney set (a few of them, not all)it's interesting that you're struggling to Kill with
Its very weird that you're struggling to kill with
is too strange for me, even i love the character, maybe of his wait (for real, just wait) & punish playstyle b/c he's like "a better marth" but welp, i don't think so along with Ike, he gave me good results, like top8 in a few tournaments, but i finally get bored with him idkis a character i have fun with, but no results, maybe i'll try him again... i don't freaking know how to approach with him lol as he's a good character and also i'm a MOTHER fan 
idk what to think haha
Go on YouTube and look atI always go for the edgeguard or gimp with them, the main problem is that i can't go for that hard punish to kill, i know the setups for those 3 characters but i can't put into a real battle of a tourney set (a few of them, not all)
Some ppl recommend me
At the first time of Sm4sh i've main
probably gonna use
with
tip videos and it will help you approach. Defiantly try out . As for while he is definitely better than they are very different. Some moves look similar and they both have a tipper hit box but they play differently. And try out again since he pairs well with Ness. Note he does not play the same though. Maybe pick up again unless he bores you.
I'm having trouble picking a main. I'm interested in
. There you go. Are other options but Diddy is great!
. And there's still the medium speed characters but that'd be too much to state. Use whoever you want. If you want results have a top or high tier as a secondary. I main and have as secondaries. I even use from time to time. (I'd argue those two are pretty damn good though) and they are mid or low tier. Use WHOEVER you want. If you wanna see someone use a bad character and do beast watch nairo use , m2k use , tweet use , Ryo use , abadango use , Esam use pre-patch , Sol use , etc. they are everywhere. Go on YouTube! USE WHOEVER YOU WANT! This game doesn't make you use to win. It lets you pick whoever and fight whoever (besides vs don't do it) and gives you a chance to win! It's awesome!
Yeah, Palutena has some really good tools. For example, her U-Smash has the highest vertical reach in the game, she has her own "Hoo Haa" with tons of D-Throw combos. Her B-Air and Dash attack are very unique with the shield mechanic allowing you to not take any damage at all while they're active.
Use both. Side noteAre
is actually one of the best characters to beat with!
. I need some help untangling and narrowing down!. (Why is he not in Sm4sh anyway?)
I agree aboutAnd it's back to the drawing board for me. I'm gonna need a few more Zelda buffs before I can 100% commit. But when that day comes (if it does), I've locked in.
But what to do for now? My pockets are deeper than
Try and get as close as you can to the balanced and controlled gameplay of
Here goes... in no particular order, it's
. The problem is you won't find anyone very close to him. I'd say stick with . Atleast as a pocket. Once you get more familiar with her you'll like her more. That was me with and he's now my 3rd! With her I'd say use . 1 or 2 of them. Have the same teleport ledge slide gimmick so you just be beast at that. Idk match ups very well so look up that but I'd say go with these 5. Do you want to use underrated/ low tier characters or top tiers? Or does it not matter to you? The 5 I've said have a good balance. 2 low/mid tiers, 2 top tiers, and one high tier. So yeah what do you want tier wise? Hope this helped. We can play matches soon if you want to try it out.
The Legendary DJXYZ
Most balanced (in my opinion): Closest to 's gameplay out of those four would probably be ; I don't think of or as having the controlled nature of , and is in a world of his/her own. currently as a possible secondary. I've been experimenting with quite a few characters I enjoy, but he's feeling the most comfortable for me at the moment to back up my , which shouldn't be too surprising.
), and feel like is the perfect choice. Not only does she come from 2 of my favorite games of all time, but she's also really, REALLY fun to use (almost as fun as and tbh). The problem? All the hate she recieves. Is she worth maining, with all of the crap people like Dabuz get all the time? (heck, i even had to drop sheik for a while until 1.1.5 hit, and to be brutally honest, part of me wants a 1.1.6 to do the same to rosa) What should I do? Is there another character similar to rosaluma?
Green Zelda
What should you do? You should play . Rosalina has a high skill ceiling, so honestly, if you find you're good with her and enjoy the playstyle, that's to be admired. Try not to let others keep you from enjoying characters (I know this is easier said than done.), because no matter who you play, there will always be someone who has a problem with your character of choice for one reason or another. You'd just end up getting caught in a vicious circle of swapping characters. Also, there isn't really another character like Rosalina; she's a unique choice and definitely fun., and I've had people say everything from "You use Jigglypuff because it's OP." (Ahaha! Yeah.) to "You're stupid and in denial if you use Jigglypuff.", and that's omitting the profanity. Still going to play Jiggs; it's the character I have a strong connection with.
The Legendary DJXYZ
points out, Rosalina is also one of the more likely characters to be targeted if there's another mass balance patch, so there's always a chance you may get your nerf wish. LOL
. But just one to make her no longer banned. She should stay the best cause she's a beast. Maybe reclaims being the best cause wow she's good. The other nerfs nerfs are bad though! Lost so many players cause they just couldn't win anymore. Same with . They used to be so popular. It causes players to constantly have to be switching to keep results or even just for a single win and it's bad. I love buffs and hope they continue for the low tiers/ underrated characters, but no more serious nerfs! Get a ton of hate because they're the best and people whine about not being able to beat them. The same happened with but still people used him because he was the best.
Green Zelda
use . She's 2nd best. She's fun to you. Really fun in fact. And she fits in that group really well. If people give you hate them challenge them to a 1v1 and body them. They'll shut up. Or ignore them. Don't hesitate to play a character due to what the media thinks about them. If you become best in your region and get booed for using Rosa then I will personally go to wherever you are and go to every tournament and silence any boos.
and . The other day it was . Other days it's been or or . I've played a lot of characters, even in tournament. There really isn't a character that I enjoy enough to push all the others aside and focus on. Not really sure where to turn, just kinda been playing whoever I'm feeling that day and playing Meta Knight at events. I want to move forward somehow.
C0rvus
I know where you're coming from. I've had a terrible time considering a character for a secondary basically the entire time the game's been out, because my problem is that I've enjoyed every character's playstyle so far except for .. He's pretty cool with reads and mind games, can control the battle surprisingly well with forward tilt, double jab, and gordo (if you know when and when not to use it), and he's honestly not bad off-stage either (as long as you're extremely cautious when it comes to fast falling), thanks to his generous up special. Even if you're not all that interested, I recommend checking out the brilliant guide series on his board if you haven't already; one of the best breakdowns I've watched on any character, and it's very entertaining as well.
then... or is the right choice for now. I'll see after time passes.
for sure, maybe either because I find them inadequate in some way or I generally have zero interest in.
aren't very liable. I think they have amazing tools that haven't been shown off enough. But I do understand what you are saying. Btw If anyone wants to pick up a character who is now really good but still shown as a low/ mid tier use . He's a beast now. Same with . He didn't get buffed like charizard but he does really well against and too. Some of the games best.
C0rvus
Yeah, I gathered that from you post, which is more or less why it was a suggestion for consideration; even though a person competes, it doesn't mean they wouldn't be open to such a character. The statement about peer pressure was more an indication of what would be acceptable to you than competing. - Pretty obvious choice here. She's great with mind games, can be played passively and react according to your need, good off-stage shenanigans, and I don't think I need to say more since I'm sure you already know; she's not exactly new to anyone who's been paying attention to or participating in the competitive scene. - Partly since you already mentioned playing him at times, but also because he's not the type to go rushing into the thick of things, while also being very very good. I feel like sometimes his walking animation alone causes people to stress out and wonder what's coming next. LOL Granted, off-stage isn't so hot, but his recovery being pretty safe is a big help, as I'm sure you've found, and I feel he matches the rest of what you've described pretty well when it comes to your playstyle.
abx
You've definitely just described . actually doesn't fit your description very well besides being a rushdown type, but his rushdown is odd. It's almost more of an aggressive bait and punish with an emphasis on reads, and if you're not doing it right, you'll be the one who's punished. He also relies on spacing to some degree. I'm not saying he can't be played some other way (most characters can), but this has been the standard.
