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I see XD! Then since I'm in a semi-competitive environment for now, I just want to play as many characters as I want since I enjoyed so many characters. Then if that's the case, who would you recommend the most (only one character) between the fighters that I've listed?
I'd say Wario, just because he's always seemed fun to me and has a great clutch factor on his side. You don't have to play him of course, but of characters I enjoy watching I like him better than the others you've listed. I'm into the much more competitive side of things and I main 5 characters. I can play them all solidly, so I don't think you should have too big of a problem if you like playing a lot of characters. Good luck
Thanks! I don't plan to rely on Wario as much as Mario and Roy, but yeah! I really love Wario as well. Really fun and rewarding character to play. He just takes a tons of practice to get him perfectly (or almost perfectly)
I've actually started exploringThis is true but he's questionably viable. He's well rounded but he doesn't exactly excel at anything. As far as sword characters,has really been turning heads as of late and the character has gone from the worst swordsman in the the game to arguably the best thanks to all the patches. He's also the hardest swordsman to learn after
and though I need some practice pulling off his combos I enjoy his playstyle
I think what you should look for is a character that reflects you as a person. In playstyle, in what you like outside of smash, and kinda even personality. For example, one of my MAIN mains is Lucina. I play her because she is a sword fighter, I main marth in all other games, she has a mask, and The Blue Spirit is literally the name of my profile. So I find her to be perfect for me as a person. Not to mention her default color scheme is godlike to me. Honestly, having these things alongside enjoying you character is good, because your not only comfortable with the play style, but who the character is. Choose a character who you can see as an extension of yourself.
The simplest yet most dedicated method is to play a decent amount as every character in the roster, in order, start to finish. Play a couple of serious matches with friends to get a feel for the character, move onto the next character, continue until you've devoted some time to everybody.
Well, what kind of character do you like to play? Do you play competitively or for fun?
is the one I enjoy playing the most in terms of fun and as a gaming character in general he is also my favorite of the 3. I'm not particularly amazing with Pac, but I've been playing him the second longest time and I consider myself a decent but not great Pac-Man. But as much as I like the guy, he is so technical and and takes so much time to commitment to learn, and my 2 main characters are already technical enough as is. As much as I'd love to keep playing him it might not be a good idea when its so hard to learn him well, and while he's a very good character and okay against Wario he has just as many problems with Sheik and Fox as Mega Man and Greninja do. is another character I like playing and I've been using him the most often recently. As the game's all-arounder, I find him a bit easy to use compared to the other 2 and he doesn't seem to be too frustrating to work with, and in general he seems to be good at many things and do almost everything well, frame data being one of the key things (Mega Man & Greninja both have terrible frame data). What makes my choice hard though, is that I don't know much about his matchup spread and if he'd be okay against at least Fox & Wario. I've heard most say he's at least High Tier with generally few truly good and few truly bad matchups, but that's not providing me enough of the info I want. Another thing that disappoints me is that since he's an all-around character, he is decent at many things but excels at nothing in particular and doesn't really do anything amazing to me besides the arrows, and he shares Mega Man's weakness of having lackluster kill moves. I still enjoy playing him overall and I currently lean towards him the most, but when he's so basic and lacks many jank/unique features, winning with him doesn't always give me the same satisfaction Mega Man & Greninja do.is the character I'm newest to, I've only been playing her for about 2 months now and as it is now I doubt I'm that great with her. But we all know she's top tier and arguably the 2nd best in the game, and the only one of the top tier characters that I actually enjoy playing other than Sonic, Ness, and ZSS. I love (actually now that I bring him up, Sonic is another candidate for my 3rd character since I have the most experience with him)and he used to be my 2ndary and quite helpful in my tournaments for season 1-2 in my region, but I don't enjoy playing him as much before and while he's good against Wario, he still loses to Fox and Sheik. I could see myself enjoying Ness and Zero Suit Samus, but I am pretty inexperienced playing either of them and its probably too late in the game for me to pick either of them up (the latter being a technical character too, or at least so I was told) and I should just focus on the ones I already have experience with. Rosalina is fun for me in her own right and I don't even mind how many people are using her, and since she's top tier I'm positive she'd be a good answer to all 3 of those bad MUs I mentioned earlier. But since she's the one I've been playing for the shortest time, I'm not that great with her and I've found her learning curve to be a bit higher than it looks, Not as much as Pac-Man's, but I'm having a bit of difficulty controlling her when it comes to edgeguarding, the neutral, and I am terrible at protecting Luma and I find myself losing him far too often. My region is not using customs much anymore, but I enjoy her even more with customs though when I can use them. I'll miss you Guardian Luma... 
Shulk works wonders against the Mario Bros. NAir alone both eliminates their fireballs and gives them no really safe way of getting in there and starting a combo. Mario can FLUUD you or attempt to cape you and force you to react to that but, as long as you're aware of the possiblilty, reacting isn't hard. Luigi has no way to safely get in without his fireball since his mobility is so bad. He can try a grounded tornado but, as long as you anticipate and shield it, the ending lag is a free punish. As long as you're spacing correctly, Shulk can easily keep them out due to how long the Monado's range is. Shulk also obliterates both of them offstage with his potent edgeguarding tools and due to their linear and predictable recoveries. Shulk is an amazing counterpick to use against both of them. If you want more information on how Shulk should go about playing that MU, I'd suggest looking at Shulk's matchup thread in the Shulk forums.
I mean I only find the brothers annoying, they aren't exactly hard to deal with, and how would peach favor against sonic and pikachu bc I like playing as her, she is fun imo
Turnips stop Sonic's spin dash, removing that as his approach option. The real issue with Sonic is that Up Throw > Up B > Up Air will kill Peach extremely early since she's so light. Pika doesn't have great KO power at all, Peach is hard to gimp/edgeguard, she gets out of combos easier because she's floaty and light, and Peach can KO him very early, just her KO options are fairly limited.
hm, I'll take her into consideration but are there any better picks bc i do know peach is one of the hardest to learn in the game. I also don't want to be using sheik bc she will more than likely be nerfed and that stuff
andweaknesses? I'm searching for a competitive secondary (I want to play 3 characters max at a tournament level, 2 mains and one secondary). Someone suggested me . I want to know other characters that may help Mario and Roy. I'll give a list of characters that I enjoy playing at a high skill level : and(maybeand). If you give me or, it's TOTALLY OUT OF QUESTION! You can try to suggest me other characters, but it really depends if I like the character suggested or not.
Well, if your two characters are rushdown combo characters, I'd suggest somebody that can deal with zoners and characters that can keep them out. I'd say just for a character that compliments their playstyle with their own zoning capabilities. Mega Man is a good choice in that respect, but he requires a bit of dedication because he's quite technical. Villager may be your best bet in that respect, if you don't mind that you will have to switch between very different playstyles on the fly.Hi everyone,
Is there any other character suggestions that can help cover
Pac-Man requires a ton of commitment, just gonna say that right off the bat. You'd want to solo-main him if you want to be really and truly viable with him, because everything else is just a distraction when you have to focus on that technical depth in a character, especially a secondary.I main Mega Man & 2nd Greninja, and I am trying to find just one more character to add to my competitive team for tournaments, and my choices are between Pac-Man, Pit, Rosalina. I am mostly seeking a character for more fun, but if they can handle Fox, Wario, and/or Sheik they may take more priority. I would like some thoughts and advice that could make my decision a bit easier.
Well, the characters that I know can deal with projectile users are
and(because he's too fast). Do you know any other character that can deal against projectile users? As for and, they're the only two zoning characters that I truly enjoy in the entire game, because generally, I don't like projectile-based characters, but Villager and Mega Man are the only exceptions.
Yes. I tried him. So fun to play. Also, other characters than
that maybe can deal with projectile users are imo, . However, I don't plan to pick these characters any time soon, since I don't like them in general except for Dr. Mario, or they don't help fix my issues with and. Maybe I should add to the two Pits, Fox and Sonic. Is there any other character? Otherwise, only zoners that I enjoy are and. That's it!
Okay! Yeah. I returned to this thread so many times, because even though I now have determined mains (I mained
since day 1 of Smash 3DS release and since he got released as DLC), but I can't stick to one competitive secondary. I've been always testing almost every character since I enjoy so many of them. So I'll try for now since I'm slightly more comfortable with him compared to , but I prefer slightly more Mega Man than Villager when it comes to personal preference. So Villager first.
's playstyle revolves around pressure and mixups, but keep in mind she's a hard character to pick up since there's alot you have to know. Besides that, she kinda struggles vs. campy characters. Has a decent poke game once you figure it out and setups to boot, but yeah. as he and have more or less the same playstyle, just is more rewarding fundamentally.
/, , or . Has abit of everything, but he's abit more defensive, so maybe your preferred choice. Thrives on aggression, has similar mobility specs to Melee Marth, a combo game, and some of her moves work similarly in the sweetspotting department. However, she kinda struggles vs. shields. FAir. Enough said.
Thank you. I will try to explore all of these characters. You helped me a lot.
The closest thing to Marth is of course, going to be Marth.
He's got some nice buffs since last patch, and doesn't quite play like Melee due to physics, but since you don't wanna main him... Lucina maybe? and , but might also be your cup of tea since he plays the 'wait and bait' game similary to Marth. is very straight forward and is all about applying his max range to outrange his opponents. He can also kill real early, like Marth can with his tipper. So that's a thing that's easily carried over. All you gotta do is adapt to a slower and steadier playstyle. He's got a great F Air though, that's quite like. is really adaptive compared to Ike. Don't know too much about him though. Same with .
Ah.The closest thing to Marth is of course, going to be Marth.
What you seem to like is long ranged spacing, since Melee Marth is all about that. Characters that come close to such playstyle in my opinion are
. I forgot about him. The main reason I didn't add him is because compared to , his movement takes getting used to. I'd be iffy on. Monado Arts gives him versatility, but his poor frame data might hold him back. Dunno enough about , personally, XD.
(maybe). It would be great if you can only recommend characters based on this character list. You can still try to suggest other characters not mentioned, but I WON'T ACCEPT or .
Hi again,
Can someone recommend me a list of characters based on this description :
You may notice that I'm listing characteristics of Mario's main weaknesses. So I want characters that can be great based on these attributes. A list of characters that I enjoy playing at a high skill level are
- Good frontal approach
- Great disjointed range or long range moves (zoning or spacing)
- Great recovery (not predictable or poor-distance type of recovery)
- Great KO setups
now has some nice range with that sword, a decent approach, recovery is somewhat predictable and varies depending on monado art. Air slash is a nice recovery by itself though. KOing may be a bit hard though compared to some of the others here. has nice disjointed hitboxes with that sword, goes aggro like nuts to get that er... hilt. His recovery is really predictable though and is only somewhat decent, however his KO potential is very high. has gotten better with the buffs so I can actually start recommending him. Woo. Anyways, he has some disjointed hitboxes with that sword, an ok approach albeit not the best, gotta space a bit first. Recovery is really good and easy to mix up so theres an upside, but his KO potential may be a little hard to get. has all around everything as the all around balanced character in this game. Has some zoning potential with arrows(although has faster ones, has arrows that may pressure more on stage(don't quote me on that)). He has a good approach with his bow, terrific recovery, and kills well off stage or near the edge of the stage. has disjointed hitboxes, needs to space well with his tipper, may have to play a bit of a waiting game, and has a predictable recovery with only decent distance. His KOs can either be really high or really low because sometimes it feels impossible to finish someone off or can be really fast. Tippers and Aerials man. . is a demon. Spacing and Camping hell with this guy. He makes it so the other guy has to approach as well, but it's not like he can't approach, it's just easier to sit back imo. His recovery is very easy to mix up goes very far. His KOs are a bit harder though, since his best kill options are all kinda slow and kind of needs to be baited into it. Only game I like this rat in. Only. Game(All of smash in general btw). Anyways, some little spacing with Thundershock, approaches with Quick Attack, KOing with gimps and smashes. His recovery is pretty far and it's fast with angles so it's harder to predict.may also fit your bill if you want. can cover his brother's back with those aerials and projectiles and a pretty sweet recovery with three moves mix up. He has really nice spacing too. His KO options may take a while though. I'm biased here. I play . I will never learn you. So I have nothing to say about him. Don't even know if this guy fits the description. Nerf Irelia.
Nerf Greninja with Shrooms., /, , and (no plz ) are imo your best choices out of the ones I thought may be viable.
I might think the closest characters to solvePlay
are the ones I recommend. Now going over your four points on each... I'm going to be completely honest though, I might get something wrong.
Up Smash nuff saidLol anyways, unlike most people here his range/hitbox is almost nil, but he has the ability to make them approach by using his blaster. His approaches aren't that bad either, but his recovery is meh. His KO potential is high vertically, so low ceilings are your best friend if you want
Other things:
In conclusion,
issues are imo, . I might also addas an option. What do you think of ZSS? Is she good at covering the four main points of Mario's main issues? I didn't chose the other characters because :: predictable recovery (I don't want that): poor distance recovery (it doesn't fix Mario's main issue). Sorry my boy!: gimpable recovery due to Up-B having no hitboxes (which I don't want). Sorry if I forgot to mention that.: predictable recovery and not-so-good approach game (sorry Marth): both have poor range (which does not solve one of Mario's big issues): pretty obvious, so don't have to explain it.
MK and ZSS have very reliable kill setups. Fox has a problem when playing from behind a stock. He has to kill throws, or throws that combo reliably into a kill move, so people can just get away with holding their shield on you. He does have a reliable kill setup in jab-jab U-smash though. Villager has a similar problem when playing from behind, and he doesn't really have a reliable kill setup, but when playing from ahead, villager is SOOOOOO good. I would suggest trying out MK and ZSS at the moment, because they have great Zoning and spacing moves, a ton of recovery options, reliable kill setups, and their frontal approaches are both decent.I might think the closest characters to solve
High-risk high-reward type of KO setups, I'm okay with that. I'll just try these four characters (
) and see what's the better character for Mario and the one that I enjoy the most. I'll leaveas a secondary. But if you would choose between , who would be the best character for Mario in your opinion?
Er. If either
or count, those two. Either make their stuff fly away or pocket them. I guess fits it better.High-risk high-reward type of KO setups, I'm okay with that. I'll just try these four characters (
or , I'm not big enough on to say anything more on him and as for , playing from behind is so terrible. the better KOs and has a projectile the disjointed hitbox and better recovery
I recently tried ZSS, and I really find her to be boring. So I'll chose betweenEr. If either
. For Meta Knight, I feel like even if he has a sword, his range is not as good as I thought. What are the pros and cons of the three possible combinations :