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The Louisiana Thread: Flarefox Forever - We are alive.
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LavisFiend
Smash Lord
I don't really care about tiers.
I just use characters that are challenging to use (ness for example) and win tourneys with.
Doc is my main, but Ness has taken that place for the past month and a half now...
I really need to practice more on my Doc though.
I just use characters that are challenging to use (ness for example) and win tourneys with.
Doc is my main, but Ness has taken that place for the past month and a half now...
I really need to practice more on my Doc though.
TehPh1r3PwnzJ00
Smash Apprentice
kyle is one of my favorite smashers and people in general. if i was gay it would be with him. his humor astounds me.
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
My humor is better than that of your gay idol's.
Trust me, XD
Trust me, XD
Sars_Pirate
Smash Lord
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There's no doubt that Sheik's edgeguard is one of her best strengths, and Fox/Falcos do have pretty predictable recoveries so that only makes it easier for Sheik to win on those respects. However, it's much likelier for space animal players to start up some kind of combo against her than vice versa. For Fox, shines aren't fool proof, but then again, it's not exactly necessary for Fox to always waveshine out for a grab. If players start noticing patterns or realize that the opponent is frenetically trying to DI out so they can go for a d-smash, Fox players can always just jump cancel the shine and then come down with a falling u-air or just CC, tech, and rush in again. And Sheik can't exactly DI violently left or right during U-air barrages, so this will inevitably end up with Sheik getting comboed to decent percentages.
As for Falco, according to guys like pros like Dope, if you play Falco and can't beat a Sheik, chances are you aren't a real good Falco player. And this is a guy who gets to face off against Drephen (albeit he has an extremely unorthodox style Sheik) and goes up against other highly skilled Sheik players from all over the US.
Also, unlike characters like Captain Falcon or Marth, space animals have the luxury of not needing to end all their combos with a strong finisher. Because Fox is so agile and Falco is so oppressive with his lasers, they aren't as pressured into completing their combos with an u-smash/f-smash or whatever. And because their style of movement captures the pace of the game and forces it to be played in their favor, it's expected for them to be able to be more patient before they can land a surprise Bair/Nair/falling u-air/whatever.
You look the other way around, and most Sheik players are more or less forced to adapt to the way the Fox/Falco players want to play. Also, sheik players have to work a lot harder in order to start off combos, and her attacks really aren't effective until she can get the Space animals past 60%. And even after that, most players by now know where to DI from f-tilts and dash attacks. And unless they're playing on FD or other large stages, the chance of Sheik players getting long strings of combos on the space animals isn't as likely since players will recognize that the f-tilt/dash attack sends them up at about the level that most platforms are.
Also, it's not really fair bringing in Japanese and European pros. :/ For one, the space animals game in Japan isn't revolved around the technical aspect so much as the American game is. Instead, it seems more . . . reactionary and has higher reliance on reading opponents and attacking with aerials then long shine combos. Also, the Japanese even consider the space animals to have a leg up on Sheiks which is why players like Kei have opted to switch to Fox (OC2) while Sheik players (Shu comes to mind) have decided to pick up strong secondaries in order to play against the Space animals (in this case Marth). The only Japanese pro that seems really unphased by it all is Captain Jack. But Captain Jack really doesn't have M2K, KDJ, or PCs to face off against. Where as for Europe, it's PAL so it's not exactly fair comparing the two. :/ I mean, Falco's spike isn't always a spike and Fox can't kill upwards as well. In fact, I remember one time FlowinWater said that there's no way he could play PAL's Falco since it was just too different for him.
And yeah, stages to have a lot to do with it, and Sheiks are expected to win on Battlefield, definitely brinstar, DK64, maybe Dreamland (iffy, but I'd say definitely on that if it's Fox), and maybe even FD. But aside from that, I don't see Sheik having too much room to work with.
As for the Marth thing, Ken is the most standard example of what a good Marth can do, but Azen's Marth managed to take over at MLG Orlando (?) also, and he gave Ken a scare up in New York. Also, Mew2King's actually got a very strong Marth and managed to take out both Ken and Azen. Also KM and Neo have been pretty impressive and tear apart the East Coast pretty regularly, but they don't travel near as much. And as for foreign players, there's still always Ek who's number 2 overall in Europe or something.
So, idk, I'd say that even though Sheik is enjoying a lot of popularity right now, I think that Marth's game is still really dominant. And at least for my smash theories, I'd list Marth as having more matchups in his favor than for Sheik.
. . . But then again if you would've asked me a few months back, I'd have said that Peach should be ahead of Sheik so idk. I change my mind pretty quickly
As for Falco, according to guys like pros like Dope, if you play Falco and can't beat a Sheik, chances are you aren't a real good Falco player. And this is a guy who gets to face off against Drephen (albeit he has an extremely unorthodox style Sheik) and goes up against other highly skilled Sheik players from all over the US.
Also, unlike characters like Captain Falcon or Marth, space animals have the luxury of not needing to end all their combos with a strong finisher. Because Fox is so agile and Falco is so oppressive with his lasers, they aren't as pressured into completing their combos with an u-smash/f-smash or whatever. And because their style of movement captures the pace of the game and forces it to be played in their favor, it's expected for them to be able to be more patient before they can land a surprise Bair/Nair/falling u-air/whatever.
You look the other way around, and most Sheik players are more or less forced to adapt to the way the Fox/Falco players want to play. Also, sheik players have to work a lot harder in order to start off combos, and her attacks really aren't effective until she can get the Space animals past 60%. And even after that, most players by now know where to DI from f-tilts and dash attacks. And unless they're playing on FD or other large stages, the chance of Sheik players getting long strings of combos on the space animals isn't as likely since players will recognize that the f-tilt/dash attack sends them up at about the level that most platforms are.
Also, it's not really fair bringing in Japanese and European pros. :/ For one, the space animals game in Japan isn't revolved around the technical aspect so much as the American game is. Instead, it seems more . . . reactionary and has higher reliance on reading opponents and attacking with aerials then long shine combos. Also, the Japanese even consider the space animals to have a leg up on Sheiks which is why players like Kei have opted to switch to Fox (OC2) while Sheik players (Shu comes to mind) have decided to pick up strong secondaries in order to play against the Space animals (in this case Marth). The only Japanese pro that seems really unphased by it all is Captain Jack. But Captain Jack really doesn't have M2K, KDJ, or PCs to face off against. Where as for Europe, it's PAL so it's not exactly fair comparing the two. :/ I mean, Falco's spike isn't always a spike and Fox can't kill upwards as well. In fact, I remember one time FlowinWater said that there's no way he could play PAL's Falco since it was just too different for him.
And yeah, stages to have a lot to do with it, and Sheiks are expected to win on Battlefield, definitely brinstar, DK64, maybe Dreamland (iffy, but I'd say definitely on that if it's Fox), and maybe even FD. But aside from that, I don't see Sheik having too much room to work with.
As for the Marth thing, Ken is the most standard example of what a good Marth can do, but Azen's Marth managed to take over at MLG Orlando (?) also, and he gave Ken a scare up in New York. Also, Mew2King's actually got a very strong Marth and managed to take out both Ken and Azen. Also KM and Neo have been pretty impressive and tear apart the East Coast pretty regularly, but they don't travel near as much. And as for foreign players, there's still always Ek who's number 2 overall in Europe or something.
So, idk, I'd say that even though Sheik is enjoying a lot of popularity right now, I think that Marth's game is still really dominant. And at least for my smash theories, I'd list Marth as having more matchups in his favor than for Sheik.
. . . But then again if you would've asked me a few months back, I'd have said that Peach should be ahead of Sheik so idk. I change my mind pretty quickly
TehPh1r3PwnzJ00
Smash Apprentice
nah you dont know me and you dont know kyle. he is also not my idol, thats jesus. he's just a really cool guy. his humor is never mean or based off hurting anyone. (well most of the time anyway) and i think he rly thinks before he speaks because he rarely says anything stupid. few people do that these days, i rly like that guy.
love the boss too.
and im loving vaughn
i rly love flarefox too but idk what happened to him ;.;
love the boss too.
and im loving vaughn
i rly love flarefox too but idk what happened to him ;.;
sHy)(gUy
Smash Ace
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:smoke:
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sHy)(gUy
Smash Ace
taylor i didnt know if what i posted would make u mad or laugh hysterically
so if made u mad, im sorry dont hurt me
if it made u laugh cool
if u didnt care or notice then whatever (i dunno i just assumed that u were high by the way u were talking and was just pointing that out) I was orginally gonna think of a more clever post to follow urs but i couldnt think of anything
so if made u mad, im sorry dont hurt me
if it made u laugh cool
if u didnt care or notice then whatever (i dunno i just assumed that u were high by the way u were talking and was just pointing that out) I was orginally gonna think of a more clever post to follow urs but i couldnt think of anything
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
So, I've been wearing my glasses and want to kick someone's butt in smash. That last tournament was kind of depressing(while fun) for me. It'd be awesome to play against Cyphus and Lee, but I don't want to drive there. So meh.
LavisFiend, we can decide who's humor is better with a smash match. Which is another way of saying my humor is better.
You're pretty cool too Taylor. You'd be cooler if you'd had smashed yesterday. Lame to hang out with "other" friends.
LavisFiend, we can decide who's humor is better with a smash match. Which is another way of saying my humor is better.
You're pretty cool too Taylor. You'd be cooler if you'd had smashed yesterday. Lame to hang out with "other" friends.
SetsumA
Smash Apprentice
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hmm.. i still think taylor hates me :O
but anyway yeah if i was to hold a smash fest in say.. 2 weeks? or so would people acually come? or like would they just be like " yeahh! well come LOL" and then never show, so like if you guys want me to hold one in 2 weeks or something ( whenever a good time for you guys to come) call me or just reply to my post.
but anyway yeah if i was to hold a smash fest in say.. 2 weeks? or so would people acually come? or like would they just be like " yeahh! well come LOL" and then never show, so like if you guys want me to hold one in 2 weeks or something ( whenever a good time for you guys to come) call me or just reply to my post.
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
@Entreri: It's ON BOI! XD
@SetsumA:Where do you live at man?
and has EVERYONE forgotten about the June 2nd Orleans tournament that is being held?
@SetsumA:Where do you live at man?
and has EVERYONE forgotten about the June 2nd Orleans tournament that is being held?
SetsumA
Smash Apprentice
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i live at in baton rouge
my address is 4981 inniswold RD
kyle, i want to play smash :O you should come over today, well pretty much everyone should come over today and smash for a bit.
my number is 907-7282.
if you guys are busy then thats cool i guess :O
my address is 4981 inniswold RD
kyle, i want to play smash :O you should come over today, well pretty much everyone should come over today and smash for a bit.
my number is 907-7282.
if you guys are busy then thats cool i guess :O
Nicknyte
Smash Lord
i'd like go to ur place setsy, since i'm done w/ school for now, but i'm broke and lee still has a week of school (n00b!)
i can't wait though, when we all do get to play, if not before smash orleans, cuz me and lee ready to bring the best we got now =D
i can't wait though, when we all do get to play, if not before smash orleans, cuz me and lee ready to bring the best we got now =D
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
I really should start playing it more =P
Y'know, cause I don't have school myself and stuff, but I dunno, paper mario has been distracting me.
Y'know, cause I don't have school myself and stuff, but I dunno, paper mario has been distracting me.
Sars_Pirate
Smash Lord
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>_<
I want to play smash!
I want to play smash!
Sudai
Stuff here
So..I'm definitely putting in my two weeks notice to work on friday.. I got suspended from work this week for listening to my MP3 Player while in the store....on a day I wasn't even working...so yeah, eff those guys...
Aka..I'm good to smash any time this weekend, next weekend, and the rest of the summer pretty much.
Aka..I'm good to smash any time this weekend, next weekend, and the rest of the summer pretty much.
TehPh1r3PwnzJ00
Smash Apprentice
i dont get high anymore
and i dont hate anyone
i choose not to be around children who refuse to grow up
and im rly sick of smash lately
and i dont hate anyone
i choose not to be around children who refuse to grow up
and im rly sick of smash lately
SetsumA
Smash Apprentice
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sigh @ taylor O_o
strong words dude. but uhh, maybe you need to start smoking again, cause you have been a real ******* (mostly towards me ) lately -_- i dont remember anything i did to piss you off or nothin so w.e, but i still luffs yew anyway. but uhh... yeah im really thinking about holding something at my house, you can stay the night or whatever. just contact me whenever you think is a good time to set it up.
@ cyphus. i shall rec lame the universe form young dylan but seriously we need to smash man XO
strong words dude. but uhh, maybe you need to start smoking again, cause you have been a real ******* (mostly towards me ) lately -_- i dont remember anything i did to piss you off or nothin so w.e, but i still luffs yew anyway. but uhh... yeah im really thinking about holding something at my house, you can stay the night or whatever. just contact me whenever you think is a good time to set it up.
@ cyphus. i shall rec lame the universe form young dylan but seriously we need to smash man XO
TehPh1r3PwnzJ00
Smash Apprentice
me smoking has nothing to do with it. youve always pissed me off with most the things you do. you're a complete child in every situation. im done trying to help you so now i just dont want to be around you. maybe one day ull grow up without my influence. i hope so anyway.
Sudai
Stuff here
Maturity is something some people aren't interested in Taylor. You're right in choosing to avoid a confrontation with him by not going around him, and I'm asking Freddy to not try to push the smoking thing on Taylor.
No more on the Freddy-Taylor thing for me, if you guys wanna bicker, please take it to PMs because as much as I'd like to see it, I'm sure I'd get sick of it and I'm sure others don't want to see it.
Sucks that you're sick of smash, Taylor, I'll be looking forward to when you decide you want to play some more, though. : )
Freddy, whenever on the weekends is good for me.
No more on the Freddy-Taylor thing for me, if you guys wanna bicker, please take it to PMs because as much as I'd like to see it, I'm sure I'd get sick of it and I'm sure others don't want to see it.
Sucks that you're sick of smash, Taylor, I'll be looking forward to when you decide you want to play some more, though. : )
Freddy, whenever on the weekends is good for me.
me and lee will prolly go to dibbz saturday night...they're doing a thing where they still open til the morning so people can practically crash there.
VVB
SD Champ
i'll try and make it, sets. just let me know the exact date and ****.
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
Wow, the mood sure has shifted in here. >.>
Mamush
Smash Cadet
Is there any information already up for the June 1st tourney so I can plan ahead for it.
TehPh1r3PwnzJ00
Smash Apprentice
or has the mood... shffld in here? jah
Sars_Pirate
Smash Lord
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I'll try to make it to Dibbz, but if the Bulls manage to win tomorrow and force a game seven . . . >_<
TehPh1r3PwnzJ00
Smash Apprentice
im sure you couldve guessed, me and eric wont be attending. okthxbai
Sudai
Stuff here
So like..DIBBZ Saturday? Can anyone tell me the address or something? Also, what time do you guys usually get together there? Kinda gotta leave by 10PMish.
actually people usually don't start showing for smash at dibbz til around 9/10 pm, heheh. but like i said, saturday...its staying open til the next morning..so u can smash allllllllll u want and leave the next day if u so desire.
****..i ran/walked 3 miles today, lifted weights, swam in pool, hottub, steam room, bout to go to work, then i'm going out to the bar to get wasted. its a good life.
****..i ran/walked 3 miles today, lifted weights, swam in pool, hottub, steam room, bout to go to work, then i'm going out to the bar to get wasted. its a good life.
Sudai
Stuff here
I'll talk to my mom and see if she'll let me stay the night.
Hey fella's. :D It's teh Cat. Seems like there's this thing goin' down tonight, I talked to Lee yesterday and he told me about it. :D I'd like to go if I can get a ride, I think Lee is trying to hook it up with a ride, but if anyone happens to have to head through lockport (I do not know Louisiana) to get to Kenner. Then stop by :D