DarkLeviathan89
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So much wit in this thread. XD
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The Island (Updated 9/23/2009) -- Yoshi Thread Locator
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LuigiKing
Smash Lord
Gaa you Yoshi mainers are 1000% (exactly) more motivated than the Luigi boards with a character that takes 999% more effort to work with. I envy you dino *******s.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
Why is Mmac's release spike thingy not on here?
Ryusuta
Smash Master
Because he doesn't want it to be. Now WHY he doesn't want it to be, I don't know and he's not saying for some reason.
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Guest
Talking about that results in death. Shhh.
Mmac
Smash Lord
Uh, I never said anything about it not being in here...
Depster
Smash Champion
can you put the CG spike thread on here?
Ryusuta
Smash Master
It really depends on the situation. It's absolutely impossible to give a 100% catch-all answer for that.
And don't exaggerate. Yoshi's shield is bad, but it's not suicide.
And don't exaggerate. Yoshi's shield is bad, but it's not suicide.
Mmac
Smash Lord
I use Yoshi's Tilts, Usmash, and Pivot Grabs for his Defence. It does a very nice job doing so, and Jabs/Airs work well too
Spotdodging works well too. Yoshi has a pretty good one.
Spotdodging works well too. Yoshi has a pretty good one.
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Well, ok. A situation.
I'm Yoshi against say... Sheik on FD. I SHbair->uptilt->upair->upair. She airdodges the second upair and falls to the ground before I do. I try to space a bair to protect me as I land, but I'm too close to the ledge and in order to avoid falling offstage, I have to cut the bair short. (I'm not as spaced as I'd like to be) She jabs OoS and I'm stuck.
I can't shieldgrab cuz it's too slow.
I can't use any attacks OoS because it takes too long to drop the shield.
I can't spotdodge because jabs will overlap it.
I can't roll or jump back.
I can shield through it, but it's easy for Sheik to ftilt or dtilt out of the shielded jabs.
Since pulling up my shield will inevitably get me hit by one of those two attacks, (ftilt or dtilt) what I'll usually do when I'm in a similar situation is take the jab hits, DI back and downwards and input dtilts as fast as I can. If she doesn't drop the jabs in time to shield, I get a free hit on her. If she does shield though, I'm vulnerable.
Sometimes I can condition her into shielding when I'm able to dtilt and instead of dtilting, I'll turn around and bair over to her backside- which can give me some breathing room.
OR I could just shield the entire jab and wait till the hitbox is out of range of my shield, but when I do that, it takes too long to drop the shield and she'll either dtilt or SHnair->jabs and it'll start all over again.
Ultimately, I feel like whenever I'm being pressured with an infinite jab or a very fast dtilt, I can't really do anything besides hope my opponent messes up. My best bet it to try and avoid those situations. But they're going to happen sometimes and I don't know how to deal with it when it happens.
sorry, it's kinda hard to explain.
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I'm Yoshi against say... Sheik on FD. I SHbair->uptilt->upair->upair. She airdodges the second upair and falls to the ground before I do. I try to space a bair to protect me as I land, but I'm too close to the ledge and in order to avoid falling offstage, I have to cut the bair short. (I'm not as spaced as I'd like to be) She jabs OoS and I'm stuck.
I can't shieldgrab cuz it's too slow.
I can't use any attacks OoS because it takes too long to drop the shield.
I can't spotdodge because jabs will overlap it.
I can't roll or jump back.
I can shield through it, but it's easy for Sheik to ftilt or dtilt out of the shielded jabs.
Since pulling up my shield will inevitably get me hit by one of those two attacks, (ftilt or dtilt) what I'll usually do when I'm in a similar situation is take the jab hits, DI back and downwards and input dtilts as fast as I can. If she doesn't drop the jabs in time to shield, I get a free hit on her. If she does shield though, I'm vulnerable.
Sometimes I can condition her into shielding when I'm able to dtilt and instead of dtilting, I'll turn around and bair over to her backside- which can give me some breathing room.
OR I could just shield the entire jab and wait till the hitbox is out of range of my shield, but when I do that, it takes too long to drop the shield and she'll either dtilt or SHnair->jabs and it'll start all over again.
Ultimately, I feel like whenever I'm being pressured with an infinite jab or a very fast dtilt, I can't really do anything besides hope my opponent messes up. My best bet it to try and avoid those situations. But they're going to happen sometimes and I don't know how to deal with it when it happens.
sorry, it's kinda hard to explain.
!Alright, I have this problem with a Kriby player. He dair pressures me, then tilts, and then that eff'd rapid punch. I find it best, in all honesty, to shield it all. Take the shield down towards the end, and just try to wing it. There's no set thing to do here. Becuse if you roll back, Shiek's Fsmash will hit you before you get back a second time. He has literally no options here.Well, ok. A situation.
I'm Yoshi against say... Sheik on FD. I SHbair->uptilt->upair->upair. She airdodges the second upair and falls to the ground before I do. I try to space a bair to protect me as I land, but I'm too close to the ledge and in order to avoid falling offstage, I have to cut the bair short. (I'm not as spaced as I'd like to be) She jabs OoS and I'm stuck.
I can't shieldgrab cuz it's too slow.
I can't use any attacks OoS because it takes too long to drop the shield.
I can't spotdodge because jabs will overlap it.
I can't roll or jump back.
I can shield through it, but it's easy for Sheik to ftilt or dtilt out of the shielded jabs.
Since pulling up my shield will inevitably get me hit by one of those two attacks, (ftilt or dtilt) what I'll usually do when I'm in a similar situation is take the jab hits, DI back and downwards and input dtilts as fast as I can. If she doesn't drop the jabs in time to shield, I get a free hit on her. If she does shield though, I'm vulnerable.
Sometimes I can condition her into shielding when I'm able to dtilt and instead of dtilting, I'll turn around and bair over to her backside- which can give me some breathing room.
OR I could just shield the entire jab and wait till the hitbox is out of range of my shield, but when I do that, it takes too long to drop the shield and she'll either dtilt or SHnair->jabs and it'll start all over again.
Ultimately, I feel like whenever I'm being pressured with an infinite jab or a very fast dtilt, I can't really do anything besides hope my opponent messes up. My best bet it to try and avoid those situations. But they're going to happen sometimes and I don't know how to deal with it when it happens.
sorry, it's kinda hard to explain.
One thing possible to try though, is shield most, then drop the shield and try for a grounded Yoshi bomb. It does get them around half the time. Because they'll see you from and try to go for a kill, or follow up. So, well, VERY limited options in these situations. But you gotta make the best of it. I'd say Bwett will know more about this, or Stocky, or Shiri. The more tournament going Yoshi's seem to know they're own little tricks for those situations.
Ryusuta
Smash Master
Why are you worried about that? Just double jump away from the stage and come back. Sheik's not going to successfully chase you, and you've bought yourself the opportunity for another back air. This is an easy scenario to avoid.
Hell, you don't even have to do that. Cancel the back air into a neutral air. Instant shake-off attack. Not even an issue.
Even assuming you land and shield, buffer the shield into a dodge and buffer that into a down tilt, down smash, or Yoshi Bomb, depending on how close we're talking. This is very important, and a lot of people seem to miss this step. Don't JUST spot dodge, buffer the dodge into something else.
Sheik is also worthless at fighting pivot grabs a great deal of the time. This isn't necessarily related to the situation, but is a general rule against Sheik.
Worst case scenario, you shield and get pushed off the ledge by her jabs. If she stops jabbing to try and throw you out of the shield, she's yours.
This isn't even a slightly scary scenario for a Yoshi player to face. I can understand your being intimidated by it, but just remember that Yoshi always has options.
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It was just an example...
My point is that you're on the ground and an opponent attacks you with either an infinite jab or a quick, spammable dtilt or ftilt. Even with all the options Yoshi has to avoid this kind of situation, it's going to happen sometimes.
My point is that you're on the ground and an opponent attacks you with either an infinite jab or a quick, spammable dtilt or ftilt. Even with all the options Yoshi has to avoid this kind of situation, it's going to happen sometimes.
bigman40
Smash Master
To me, this sounds like you're really close to the edge, and she's pressuring you with Jabs/Dtilt/Ftilt/etc. Let me know if I'm correct, cause if I am, then I'll give my thought from there.
bigman40
Smash Master
Alright then. Well, my thoughts is that you don't really want to try and get yourself into a spot like this alot cause Yoshi is very limited here in defense. My natural options for this thought would be to grab the ledge, or DJ away (which would be to past her) to get into a more comfortable placement.
If you were to sheild here, you would have to time your dodge so that you get out of the lag time before her attack gets out of lag time (you'd need to start it before shiek does unfortunately). This is really hard to do cause you're going to end up with pain nearly any option you do.
My previous thoughts (especially the ledge grab) is to make the shiek attempt to grab the ledge and edgeguard you while you recover, and at that point, you can DJAD to get up and at least on the ground. Granted you still might take damage on that, but it would be minimal since shiek wouldn't be able to land kill moves that quickly.
If you were to sheild here, you would have to time your dodge so that you get out of the lag time before her attack gets out of lag time (you'd need to start it before shiek does unfortunately). This is really hard to do cause you're going to end up with pain nearly any option you do.
My previous thoughts (especially the ledge grab) is to make the shiek attempt to grab the ledge and edgeguard you while you recover, and at that point, you can DJAD to get up and at least on the ground. Granted you still might take damage on that, but it would be minimal since shiek wouldn't be able to land kill moves that quickly.
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Uhh if you can, run away and get on the edge. But yea, avoid being in this spot, im usually never standing still when im near the edge, im getting on it.
I have an undying urge to "that's we she said" that post.....
hdrevolution123
Smash Ace
A pro Yoshi is a top tier character. I believe greatly so.
Airborne
Smash Lord
that's why we have green ace... and -PM- and scatz... and burntsocks and pride and bwett and.......... it goes on too far XD
the truth is is that there is no tiers for the best player of each character... sorry to burt yo' bubble. =P
So Shiri MADE ME* notice these boards today, and I'm surprised to see this is still stickied.
Therefore I'm faced with two choices:
1. Yell for an unsticky again
2. Update the OP
If I do the second choice I need good threads to update with since I haven't been paying attention. Not really sure it's necessary though, because there's a Q&A thread you can do whatever in.
*I mean it, he kicked me and threw eggs at my stuff.
Therefore I'm faced with two choices:
1. Yell for an unsticky again
2. Update the OP
If I do the second choice I need good threads to update with since I haven't been paying attention. Not really sure it's necessary though, because there's a Q&A thread you can do whatever in.
*I mean it, he kicked me and threw eggs at my stuff.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
yes there is a yoshi backroom. And we are are doing some super secret projects right now lol
Glomp means "hug".
And we really need to make a Yoshi Stage discussion thread.
Tiers are just estimated guesses at certain characters potential, but there's no definite answer.
I mean, ToKneeOrNotToKnee is a Falcon main, and I'm sure he could **** some high tier characters.
...Is it still around here somewhere?
SOVAman
Smash Hero
OP updated.
This is so effing pro.
Agreed!
THIS IS FREAKING AWSOME <3 Kiwi
If Kiwi still comes here...
OP needs updating with new Yoshi xat chat room, the CG information is now in the "How to Hatch a Healthy Yoshi" group project, the new Yoshi Locator thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232522 and the research and development thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7322434
OP needs updating with new Yoshi xat chat room, the CG information is now in the "How to Hatch a Healthy Yoshi" group project, the new Yoshi Locator thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232522 and the research and development thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7322434
SOVAman
Smash Hero
This thread is very useful I hope people start using this
thanks for updating
thanks for updating
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