The Great Smash Census - SURVEY NOW LIVE!

[Blucario]

wow most people who voted have never been to a tournament

Yes it's sad. Wish i could but smash bros just isn't big enough in Denmark.

The only one who hoped that Lucas would come back. :o

 

[nat pagle]

Alright, who was the troll that voted for 75m for their favorite stage?

 

[smashmachine]

Brawl Marth mains represent, lol

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Yes it's sad. Wish i could but smash bros just isn't big enough in Denmark.

Yeah, unless it's someone I introduced to the series then just about nobody knows the franchise. It's pretty sad.

I noticed that the characters that people play in Brawl are much more varied than in Melee. In Melee the characters people play are generally the high tier ones, where as in Brawl everyone is within the 2-5% range, except Pit who's at 1% and Marth who's at 6%. Even then the "The character is fun to play" option won out big time when people were asked how they choose their mains.

 

[Sashimi]

"How would you describe your skill level at Smash Bros?"

Extremely skilled: 17
11%

Very skilled: 59
37%

Moderately skilled: 82
51%

Not very skilled: 3
2%

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Everyone is so modest!

 

[Curmudgeon]

Only 3% is female

 

[Reznor]

Only 3% is female

3% of people are just joking every one knows girls only use the internet for Facebook

 

[Blucario]

Yeah, unless it's someone I introduced to the series then just about nobody knows the franchise. It's pretty sad.

I noticed that the characters that people play in Brawl are much more varied than in Melee. In Melee the characters people play are generally the high tier ones, where as in Brawl everyone is within the 2-5% range, except Pit who's at 1% and Marth who's at 6%. Even then the "The character is fun to play" option won out big time when people were asked how they choose their mains.

Even when i introduce someone to the game they are like "Wow its funny" and then they buy the game and never uses it. It have happend to like three of my friends. No of my friends plays SSB (i am the only in my class that plays any nintendo game) they all prefer LoL and Wow (not hating on the games) but still i think more people would play the SSB series if they gave it more than one chance.

 

[Smur]

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Even when i introduce someone to the game they are like "Wow its funny" and then they buy the game and never uses it. It have happend to like three of my friends. No of my friends plays SSB (i am the only in my class that plays any nintendo game) they all prefer LoL and Wow (not hating on the games) but still i think more people would play the SSB series if they gave it more than one chance.

It was the same when I went to elementary school, except my class mates would never even associate themselves with anything regarding Nintendo, and LoL wasn't a big thing back then, so it was just WoW. At least I have a friend and 2 brothers to play with, and I'm very grateful for that, knowing how rare it is to meet Smash players around here.

 

[Pyra]

It's in the numbers guys, Pacman confirmed.....

 

[Blucario]

It was the same when I went to elementary school, except my class mates would never even associate themselves with anything regarding Nintendo, and LoL wasn't a big thing back then, so it was just WoW. At least I have a friend and 2 brothers to play with, and I'm very grateful for that, knowing how rare it is to meet Smash players around here.

You are so lucky. I dont have anyone so the most of my melee and brawl time is against CPU and in brawl online using the "against anyone" mode.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Not much Pit users for Brawl kinda make me sad. I'm certain those numbers will grow drastically when Smash4 comes out.

Soon, it will be Pit's Uprising... Sadly for them, they're not ready (to know about it) yet.

 

[DakotaBonez]

F#$% I can't remember my Smash 64 main...I think I loved abusing DK's pickup the opponent and walk around ability.
Man when the results comin in?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Not much Pit users for Brawl kinda make me sad. I'm certain those numbers will grow drastically when Smash4 comes out.

Soon, it will be Pit's Uprising... Sadly for them, they're not ready (to know about it) yet.

Pit's playstyle was rather awkward in Brawl imo, so I'm not really surprised by his low numbers. He's looking to get a vast improvement in the fun department in SSB4 though, so I'm definitely expecting his numbers to go up by then.

 

[GreatGonzales]

F#$% I can't remember my Smash 64 main...I think I loved abusing DK's pickup the opponent and walk around ability.
Man when the results comin in?

You can find results linked in the OP. Later, when the survey response rate has come down, I will do a more detailed analysis.

 

[Hong]

How I feel about the whole wavedash/l-cancel thing is:

A lot of games have positional "dash' abilities for each character that functions just like the wavedash did, only simpler for newcomers to grasp. i think it would fit well in Smash Bros.

L-Cancelling is something I wouldn't mind being automatic, thus there is really nothing to "cancel" per se. Just less lag on landing attacks universally.

As such I voted for wavedashing,

 

[Pyra]

How I feel about the whole wavedash/l-cancel thing is:

A lot of games have positional "dash' abilities for each character that functions just like the wavedash did, only simpler for newcomers to grasp. i think it would fit well in Smash Bros.

L-Cancelling is something I wouldn't mind being automatic, thus there is really nothing to "cancel" per se. Just less lag on landing attacks universally.

As such I voted for wavedashing,

I tend to win without using it so I just picked "I don't care".

 

[GreatGonzales]

How I feel about the whole wavedash/l-cancel thing is:

L-Cancelling is something I wouldn't mind being automatic, thus there is really nothing to "cancel" per se. Just less lag on landing attacks universally.

As such I voted for wavedashing,

I have been seeing this idea a lot - that l canceling should be made automatic, thus rendering it a non-technique as no player influence is required to execute it. I would like to discuss that.

I am all for lag time to be reduced generally, but I think there is utility in giving the player the ability to transcend this normal recover speed via player input, i.e. skill. I see no reason to exclude it - players who don't want to use l canceling don't have to, but it's there for the more hardcore players. There's no reason to strip advanced techniques from a fighting game when the presence of the technique does not harm casual players, right? By stripping l canceling from the game, you have essentially created a less hardcore game, and at little/no benefit to casual players IMO.

 

[GreatGonzales]

Double post. Is there no way to delete a post?

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Double post. Is there no way to delete a post?

L-Cancelling is the most pointless advanced technique to carry over. It is something that should be removed and replaced with less landing lag. Casual players will still lose to the more hardcore players with or without it. This is a no-brainer. For too many people, I feel like we would still be having this discussion if we were playing Super QWOP Bros. and the issue was automated running.

 

[Hong]

Generally the quickest way is the report button.

I have been seeing this idea a lot - that l canceling should be made automatic, thus rendering it a non-technique as no player influence is required to execute it. I would like to discuss that.

I am all for lag time to be reduced generally, but I think there is utility in giving the player the ability to transcend this normal recover speed via player input, i.e. skill. I see no reason to exclude it - players who don't want to use l canceling don't have to, but it's there for the more hardcore players. There's no reason to strip advanced techniques from a fighting game when the presence of the technique does not harm casual players, right?

I believe skill-index is important, but does not necessarily add the kind of depth we want to have. Like, when you tech, you don't just tech. You can choose you get up where you are, or you can tech roll, wall tech, wall-tech- jump, choose not to tech. This is not saying L-cancelling is bad, but I like forms of skill-indexing that have more choice. That is not to say we can't have new options in addition to l-cancelling, though I am not sure how well that sits on their design objective.

 

[Pyra]

I vote we not make this a discussion on advanced techniques.

 

[Zujx]

filled it out
interesting survey

 

[Curmudgeon]

Somebody shared this survey on gameFAQs http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66791004

Just letting you know

 

[GreatGonzales]

Somebody shared this survey on gameFAQs http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66791004

Just letting you know

Oh - wow, thanks for letting me know! Huh, so much for keeping this to smash boards only...

Do you think I should go ahead and post this on other community forums as well, now that the data will get mixed anyway?

 

[Pyra]

Somebody shared this survey on gameFAQs http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66791004

Just letting you know

They don't seem to pleased with the results.

 

[Mind Ranger]

Took it
Looking at results...

Oh - wow, thanks for letting me know! Huh, so much for keeping this to smash boards only...

Do you think I should go ahead and post this on other community forums as well, now that the data will get mixed anyway?

Sure! Just not on the ones who will put answers to mess it up.

 

[Pyra]

Sure! Just not on the ones who will put answers to mess it up.

It's a shame it's already on GameFAQs then.

 

[Mind Ranger]

If you had to choose, which character is your "main"?

"Marth 30%"

Holy crap, I never knew some many people used Marth.
I thought it would be more of a newer character.

 

[GreatGonzales]

It's a shame it's already on GameFAQs then.

Yes, but I suppose I should have anticipated that this could happen. Oh well.

It looks like about 50 new people have taken the survey since it was posted to gamefaqs, a sizeable chunk. Not really possible to extricate that data at this point. But i am torn - this means more data for me to play with, which could be quite valuable!

i could just leave it as is and not draw further attention to it. Or, I could post a formal invitation like I did here.

I am looking for guidance. What other smash communities are out there that I should share this survey with? Which communities, if any, should I avoid?

 

[GreatGonzales]

Actually, what I can do is - take the first 200 responses (they are time stamped), and recognize these responses as smash boards only. This way, we are at least able to draw comparisons between smash boards people and everyone else. Savvy?

 

[Rodriguez5]

Damn look at Marth. Falco over fox in melee so far.

 

[XavierSylfaen]

Who are these people and how do their minds operate? Are they all Luigi mains?

 

[Wasserwipf]

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Who are these people and how do their minds operate? Are they all Luigi mains?

Well, I was one of them. First, I simply don't understand whats the sense of l-canceling. My friends (who can't l-cancel) just scream at me anyway when i'm way faster then them (due to l-canceling). Second, I just love "dancing" around. I spam Dashdancing, Wavedashing, Wavelanding etc. just because it looks cool and it confuses my opponents. So yea.

 

[Hong]

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Who are these people and how do their minds operate? Are they all Luigi mains?

A number of us a few posts above you, actually. I played Samus competitive for what it's worth, so I suppose I am no better. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[DakotaBonez]

Is there a way to show results like,
10% of the people who took this survey don't own smash 64 and never participated in tournament.
Or 25% of the people who took this survey own brawl and chose battlefield as their favorite stage.
Stuff like that. I'm interested in how many people who chose the same thing also chose another of the same thing.

 

[GreatGonzales]

Is there a way to show results like,
10% of the people who took this survey don't own smash 64 and never participated in tournament.
Or 25% of the people who took this survey own brawl and chose battlefield as their favorite stage.
Stuff like that. I'm interested in how many people who chose the same thing also chose another of the same thing.

Yes it is possible. This what I mean when I say I will be providing a more detailed analysis. But not for a week or so (I am on vacation!)

 

[lavagolem123]

Pretty cool survey! I'm curious about the results once there's a good representation. Maybe it'll help to put it on other popular SSB related boards (like the GameFAQs one)?

 

[GreatGonzales]

Yes I would like some guidance from you folks. If I post this survey on other boards, can someone fill me in on the other relevant ssb communities that are out there? Are there any I should avoid?

Thanks.