Liquid Brick
Smash Cadet
TL;DR - I ***** and moan about why Pit isn't being talked about on here.
If this needs to be removed or anything, just ask me and I'll do that. Some of the stuff I say here qualifies for other characters and aspects of the game as well; many ideas could be transposed to another character given the right situation. It's pretty long too.
Focal Point: Pit isn't being talked about very frequently on here, especially compared to other characters. I raise points as to why that is, and give responses.
Hey everyone. Somethings I've noticed here (the pit char discussion) are a little concerning. Quite frankly, this is one of the least active boards on the site, let alone the character discussion threads. Why? I realize that not too many people use smashboards as their first resource anymore, fewer still remain active for too long. I'm not exclusive to this, but I've checked back on here many times over the years, and it seems that Pit as a character in PM is a less popular choice.
There seems to be less general discussion about Pit than any other character, and the only times I see "Pit" in a sentence, "OP" "plz nerf" and "top tier" are never more than a sentence away. I'm not asking why that's so, but I'm generally just confused as to how a character who is so good has such a low amount of surrounding discussion. The player-base is both really small and spread out in terms of skill, despite how highly players in general rate Pit.
I have a few ideas as to why there isn't a whole lot going on here. I'm not given criticism on anyone in particular and this may seem like a whine-fest, but in reality, I'm generally curious as to why Pit just isn't talked about. Most importantly, I'm trying to see if we can fix that. Reasons for inactivity are given, followed by a response.
Again, this is just me saying something I think needs to be said.
1) Pit as a character is just boring. Auto combos for dayz - A bit true, but that can be said about a lot of characters in PM. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean they're correct. And if you hate Pit that much, you probably wouldn't have added to the discussions anyway. An example of this sort of thing is the fact that one of the most popular threads in this section is a complaint thread about Pit's exceptional recovery. I'm not saying such threads are bad; in fact these kinds of subjects ADD to the general discussion. But when such a criticism is by far the most popular thread, it says a lot about the character's player-base.
2) Pit is just gonna get nerfed anyway - That's going to happen. It's true. In a very crucial way, PM's system of updates is flawed. By doing exceptionally well with any particular character, you are going to attract enough attention. That attention can lead to an outcry of people which in turn, leads to the Dev Team taking another look. We all know what that means. NERFS. They are just going to be a part of the game, given it's current situation of patching and balancing. This can cause people to stay quiet, because they don't want their fun with a character to be ruined. And if everyone stays all hush-hush, that leads to a lack of discussion. They might hesitate to explain a new AT or combo string, and it is this hesitation that might be responsible for the lack of discussion of the character. But as much as those statements are correct, I believe you SHOULDN'T hold back anything that might develop your character. While your character might get nerfed in the end, PM's patches are not released quickly enough to worry. You can totally have fun abusing your "broken" character for a while (until the next patch), and if you love that character so much, you'll stick by after such nerfs. It seems with Pit's impending doom following 3.5's release, I for one will still play him. I'll try and add to future discussions rather than fly off to a new character, and I implore you to do likewise. In the end, it's your own choice, but just know that one choice can help others and lead to future discussions pertaining to the character you once loved to play.
3) Pit's been figured out already. I can't use him to the level that the pros can - Then get gud. Like really. I know what it's like to have this feeling, and I've thought that Pit's been figured out before. But, I've played Pit since day 1 of Brawl, switched to PM in Version 2.0, and have stuck with him all of this time. And in that time, I gave little to no contribution to the metagame. I didn't go out and place highly at an international tournament. I didn't make a tutorial video and post it on youtube. I would have liked to, but I didn't. Instead, I contributed on smashboards, and told my friends and others at my locals all I knew about Pit. His strategies, his weaknesses (he has them, despite what people say), and most importantly, his qualitative aspects that I enjoyed enough to continue playing him. Then along came Armada, soon followed by ZeRo. I'm not blaming them for anything at all; I congratulate them on their success and progress. They have contributed FAR more than I have: they actually achieved goals with the character, won money, made guides, discovered combos and showed the world just how deadly Pit can be. But still I felt like something was taken from me. A character who I had played for so long and was trying to discover every little detail and nuance about had been taken to new heights by people who weren't even known for their skills in PM, let alone that character. As a smasher, my opinion means little, and I may seem like an ungrateful jerk. But I promise you, as a person, I am very grateful for what the true professionals have done. I do not blame them one bit for how I felt because that was my own problem. They are allowed to have fun, and I am too. That's when I came to the realization that I don't mean jack ****. In order to make myself worthwhile, I had to help people understand the character. I had insider knowledge and could teach and inform people on how to do the things Armada and ZeRo did with Pit. They brought attention to the character, now I had to do my part and help those with a newfound interest.I admit, I still haven't done a whole lot, but I have contributed. In a similar way, others can do exactly the same kind of thing. While we might not get a combo video of us made by an adoring fan, we as the community should provide help and create discussions. It's not helping ANYONE if you remain in the state I talked about earlier.
4) This is a collection of boards. Relax. Maybe people just don't FEEL like posting - Yea I get that. I'm guilty of simply passing over a board or post and keeping my thoughts to myself. But before posting this, there were no posts on the Pit character section for a week. The 2nd longest time between posts for other characters was only 2 days. Maybe there just isn't an overwhelming amount of people who want to talk about Pit. They're busy or can't be bothered. Smash 4 is a thing, and LOTS of people will be playing that. That means that there will be even LESS discussion about Pit and PM in general. But even before Smash Kerfuffle was released, the Pit boards weren't active. Part of the reason is that the social thread is pretty much defunct. Lots of people who provided content only a year ago, like Archangel and Eggz, aren't active. The reason no one feels like posting just might be that no one else is posting or adding to the discussion. If you have anything to say, PLEASE say something. Especially with the new update looming ever closer, Pit deserves discussion!
Thanks guys.
If this needs to be removed or anything, just ask me and I'll do that. Some of the stuff I say here qualifies for other characters and aspects of the game as well; many ideas could be transposed to another character given the right situation. It's pretty long too.
Focal Point: Pit isn't being talked about very frequently on here, especially compared to other characters. I raise points as to why that is, and give responses.
Hey everyone. Somethings I've noticed here (the pit char discussion) are a little concerning. Quite frankly, this is one of the least active boards on the site, let alone the character discussion threads. Why? I realize that not too many people use smashboards as their first resource anymore, fewer still remain active for too long. I'm not exclusive to this, but I've checked back on here many times over the years, and it seems that Pit as a character in PM is a less popular choice.
There seems to be less general discussion about Pit than any other character, and the only times I see "Pit" in a sentence, "OP" "plz nerf" and "top tier" are never more than a sentence away. I'm not asking why that's so, but I'm generally just confused as to how a character who is so good has such a low amount of surrounding discussion. The player-base is both really small and spread out in terms of skill, despite how highly players in general rate Pit.
I have a few ideas as to why there isn't a whole lot going on here. I'm not given criticism on anyone in particular and this may seem like a whine-fest, but in reality, I'm generally curious as to why Pit just isn't talked about. Most importantly, I'm trying to see if we can fix that. Reasons for inactivity are given, followed by a response.
Again, this is just me saying something I think needs to be said.
1) Pit as a character is just boring. Auto combos for dayz - A bit true, but that can be said about a lot of characters in PM. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean they're correct. And if you hate Pit that much, you probably wouldn't have added to the discussions anyway. An example of this sort of thing is the fact that one of the most popular threads in this section is a complaint thread about Pit's exceptional recovery. I'm not saying such threads are bad; in fact these kinds of subjects ADD to the general discussion. But when such a criticism is by far the most popular thread, it says a lot about the character's player-base.
2) Pit is just gonna get nerfed anyway - That's going to happen. It's true. In a very crucial way, PM's system of updates is flawed. By doing exceptionally well with any particular character, you are going to attract enough attention. That attention can lead to an outcry of people which in turn, leads to the Dev Team taking another look. We all know what that means. NERFS. They are just going to be a part of the game, given it's current situation of patching and balancing. This can cause people to stay quiet, because they don't want their fun with a character to be ruined. And if everyone stays all hush-hush, that leads to a lack of discussion. They might hesitate to explain a new AT or combo string, and it is this hesitation that might be responsible for the lack of discussion of the character. But as much as those statements are correct, I believe you SHOULDN'T hold back anything that might develop your character. While your character might get nerfed in the end, PM's patches are not released quickly enough to worry. You can totally have fun abusing your "broken" character for a while (until the next patch), and if you love that character so much, you'll stick by after such nerfs. It seems with Pit's impending doom following 3.5's release, I for one will still play him. I'll try and add to future discussions rather than fly off to a new character, and I implore you to do likewise. In the end, it's your own choice, but just know that one choice can help others and lead to future discussions pertaining to the character you once loved to play.
3) Pit's been figured out already. I can't use him to the level that the pros can - Then get gud. Like really. I know what it's like to have this feeling, and I've thought that Pit's been figured out before. But, I've played Pit since day 1 of Brawl, switched to PM in Version 2.0, and have stuck with him all of this time. And in that time, I gave little to no contribution to the metagame. I didn't go out and place highly at an international tournament. I didn't make a tutorial video and post it on youtube. I would have liked to, but I didn't. Instead, I contributed on smashboards, and told my friends and others at my locals all I knew about Pit. His strategies, his weaknesses (he has them, despite what people say), and most importantly, his qualitative aspects that I enjoyed enough to continue playing him. Then along came Armada, soon followed by ZeRo. I'm not blaming them for anything at all; I congratulate them on their success and progress. They have contributed FAR more than I have: they actually achieved goals with the character, won money, made guides, discovered combos and showed the world just how deadly Pit can be. But still I felt like something was taken from me. A character who I had played for so long and was trying to discover every little detail and nuance about had been taken to new heights by people who weren't even known for their skills in PM, let alone that character. As a smasher, my opinion means little, and I may seem like an ungrateful jerk. But I promise you, as a person, I am very grateful for what the true professionals have done. I do not blame them one bit for how I felt because that was my own problem. They are allowed to have fun, and I am too. That's when I came to the realization that I don't mean jack ****. In order to make myself worthwhile, I had to help people understand the character. I had insider knowledge and could teach and inform people on how to do the things Armada and ZeRo did with Pit. They brought attention to the character, now I had to do my part and help those with a newfound interest.I admit, I still haven't done a whole lot, but I have contributed. In a similar way, others can do exactly the same kind of thing. While we might not get a combo video of us made by an adoring fan, we as the community should provide help and create discussions. It's not helping ANYONE if you remain in the state I talked about earlier.
4) This is a collection of boards. Relax. Maybe people just don't FEEL like posting - Yea I get that. I'm guilty of simply passing over a board or post and keeping my thoughts to myself. But before posting this, there were no posts on the Pit character section for a week. The 2nd longest time between posts for other characters was only 2 days. Maybe there just isn't an overwhelming amount of people who want to talk about Pit. They're busy or can't be bothered. Smash 4 is a thing, and LOTS of people will be playing that. That means that there will be even LESS discussion about Pit and PM in general. But even before Smash Kerfuffle was released, the Pit boards weren't active. Part of the reason is that the social thread is pretty much defunct. Lots of people who provided content only a year ago, like Archangel and Eggz, aren't active. The reason no one feels like posting just might be that no one else is posting or adding to the discussion. If you have anything to say, PLEASE say something. Especially with the new update looming ever closer, Pit deserves discussion!
Thanks guys.
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