The De-Confirmed Character Thread

[Bassoonist]

as for tom nook maybe whenever tom nook is in play hes automatically removed from the back ground.

But you see... that just doesn't really make any sense. It's never happened before... So he's been de-confirmed.

first post im happy

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[Shadowplusle]

yeah andrew thats true but still a fighting raccoon would be cool. And thanks im happy to be at smashboards it rocks here.

 

[LeadPenguin]

But you see... that just doesn't really make any sense. It's never happened before... So he's been de-confirmed.

You do know that this is a completely new game, right? And it's being made with newer, more powerful software, with more possibilities! Once again, this isn't really some big cause I'm championing here, or anything, but you're using some twisted, pretzel-like logic here. Pretzel logic!

Until we find out every single thing about this game (which must be a LOT if they're comfortable doing daily updates on the game until September) we really, honestly, totally can't count anyone out except for the characters that have been, flatly stated, as non-playable. (The Assisters and the Pokemans)

 

[Circus]

I just can't begin to believe that Tom Nook could appear in the game after he is on the background of a stage.

It's really silly to think that he could still be in. It's just not something that has happened in the SSB series before. "you unlock the character and they no longer appear in the background." just doesn't sound right to me.

Well yeah, because there never HAS been a stage with characters in the background. This will be the first time that the option of taking a character from the background of a stage is even available.

Besides, we only have 2 games to base anything on. You can hardly find any kind of pattern based on two instances. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

 

[Shadowplusle]

circus dude has got a point, brand new game, new characters, new items, and new possibilities. anything could happen

 

[tstumo]

this is all coming from people who really want An Animal Crossing character playble.

my point restated. read it.it makes sense

the only one that i feel bad for is Samurai Goroh. i say this because if there was to be any other character from F zero i think it would be him. where as from the Pokemon series it's more of a preference plus theres alot of different pokemon in the first place.. and for whatever reason people wanted Deoxys in.

I doubt Animal crossing is getting a character. just like someone stated. there were characters in melee that didnt get a stage. so that doesnt mean just because a stage is in the game a character needs to be too. they had Mach rider and balloon fighter music. where were they? a trophy thank you very much. and then you bring up the animal crossing leaf icon. the icon is there to represent the series as a stage. someone had said "how come on the smash bros site Dr Wright got the smash symbol?" that's because sim city isnt getting a stage nor a character. simple enough. at least animal crossing is getting a stage. you'd think that would be enough.


sure you can sit here all day and debate this is a new smash maybe they will remove the characters from the background when in use. it's wishful thinking really. the same people who thought Zamus was going to be a seperate character and the same people who thought Deoxys was going to be a playble character. An animal crossing character seems so out of whack to me it's not even funny. you would actually think that Sakurai revealing a stage with animal crossing charcters would finally make people understand but no the fanboys continue to have some kinda hope. just look at the Deoxys for brawl thread. i mean try to keep the hope alive i guess.

I know it comes off as really mean and whatnot but seriously it's getting kinda ridiculous. but only time will tell. and when it is finally confirmed remember i said this. if i get proven wrong which i doubt then flame me like a pig or something.

 

[Circus]

this is all coming from people who really want An Animal Crossing character playble.

my point restated. read it.it makes sense

the only one that i feel bad for is Samurai Goroh. i say this because if there was to be any other character from F zero i think it would be him. where as from the Pokemon series it's more of a preference plus theres alot of different pokemon in the first place.. and for whatever reason people wanted Deoxys in.

I doubt Animal crossing is getting a character. just like someone stated. there were characters in melee that didnt get a stage. so that doesnt mean just because a stage is in the game a character needs to be too. they had Mach rider and balloon fighter music. where were they? a trophy thank you very much. and then you bring up the animal crossing leaf icon. the icon is there to represent the series as a stage. someone had said "how come on the smash bros site Dr Wright got the smash symbol?" that's because sim city isnt getting a stage nor a character. simple enough. at least animal crossing is getting a stage. you'd think that would be enough.


sure you can sit here all day and debate this is a new smash maybe they will remove the characters from the background when in use. it's wishful thinking really. the same people who thought Zamus was going to be a seperate character and the same people who thought Deoxys was going to be a playble character. An animal crossing character seems so out of whack to me it's not even funny. you would actually think that Sakurai revealing a stage with animal crossing charcters would finally make people understand but no the fanboys continue to have some kinda hope. just look at the Deoxys for brawl thread. i mean try to keep the hope alive i guess.

I know it comes off as really mean and whatnot but seriously it's getting kinda ridiculous. but only time will tell. and when it is finally confirmed remember i said this. if i get proven wrong which i doubt then flame me like a pig or something.

You bring up some great points—points that I've actually used myself. I actually agree with 100% your post. I don't think an AC character will be in Brawl.

But when I first heard someone mention the idea of a character just disappearing from the background of the stage to be playable, I thought "You know, that's not so unlikely." The fact is that an AC character stands a better chance now than it did before, even if it is already on the stage.

That said, I think the AC fans should be happy that, regardless of whether or not a character ends up in the roster or not, the series is at least being showcased somehow.

 

[_the_sandman_]

I'm relieved to see Deoxys cut from the roster, now its only a matter of time for Lucario to be declared "unplayable".

Seriously, if Deoxys couldn't make it as a playable character, Lucario would have no chance. He is too new and really has nothing unique to add into the group. He isn't even a legendary, or important for the pokemon game series.

I think Deoxys getting the cut just states that no more pokemon will be playable, other than Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo. I'd take Jiggs out of the list but she has seniority at this point.

Meowth, Squirtle, and a small number of others could be a decent add, but I think three is plenty to represent the pokemon series.

 

[Circus]

I'm relieved to see Deoxys cut from the roster

Ditto.

if Deoxys couldn't make it as a playable character, Lucario would have no chance.

Funny, seeing as he has more votes on that poll of ours on this board (actually, he has more votes than ALL the other candidates). Sounds like a good chance to me.

He is too new and really has nothing unique to add into the group.

Who says he's too new? D/P's been out since, what, last September or something? That's close to a year now.

And as far as uniqueness, I don't think we've had a steel fighting dog on the roster yet.

He isn't even a legendary, or important for the pokemon game series.

I could name you three pokemon in Melee that also fit that bill.

I think Deoxys getting the cut just states that no more pokemon will be playable, other than Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo.

That's a pretty large assumption. I'd find it hard to believe that NO ONE from the third or fourth generation would become a playable character in Brawl. Even if for some zany reason it's not Lucario, someone is probably going to be included.

I'd take Jiggs out of the list but she has seniority at this point.

Agreed.

Meowth, Squirtle, and a small number of others could be a decent add, but I think three is plenty to represent the pokemon series.

Are you saying that you think Meowth and Squirtle are more deserving of a spot in Brawl than Lucario is? If so, I call shenanigans on you, sir.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Lucario got his butt whooped by Ash in the movie. You want someone like THAT in Brawl?

Seriously, he isn't that great of a choice for Brawl. I think Sakurai already knows that. Listen to the Smash Podcasts, one of the mods didn't even know who Deoxys is, in fact I'm sure most casual smashers don't even know who Lucario is. I know I didn't for a while. In fact I would have never known about him if it was for these forums.

He.... has a giant spike sticking out of his chest.... I can't take him seriously at all. Just another downfall like Deoxys will be.

 

[Circus]

Lucario got his butt whooped by Ash in the movie. You want someone like THAT in Brawl?

Seriously, he isn't that great of a choice for Brawl. I think Sakurai already knows that. Listen to the Smash Podcasts, one of the mods didn't even know who Deoxys is, in fact I'm sure most casual smashers don't even know who Lucario is. I know I didn't for a while. In fact I would have never known about him if it was for these forums.

He.... has a giant spike sticking out of his chest.... I can't take him seriously at all. Just another downfall like Deoxys will be.

True enough, there are plenty of pokemon that I personally like better than Lucario. But Lucario has somehow bewitched the new generation. At some point along the line, he became the face of the 4th batch of pokemon. I don't know how much of it has to do with the movie (I never even saw it, actually), but he's got a gigantic fanbase, and that can't be denied.

And who cares if casual smashers might not know him? I didn't know who Ness or C. Falcon were in the first game. In Melee, I didn't know who the Ice Climbers, Marth, or Roy were. And I had never heard of Pit until Brawl was announced.

Also, I fail to see how someone on the Smash Podcast not knowing who Deoxys is effects Lucario in anyway. Lucario, to me, clearly seems to be more well known than Deoxys anyway. I only know of Deoxys because of it's movie.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Another generation would be interesting, but a character from Sliver/Gold or Saphire/Ruby would make more sense to me.

Actually the Saphire/Ruby would make much more sense because every pokemon that has been announced has been from those games. Possible Blaziken?

But characters like Pit, C. Falcon, and Ness may be stuck with only one character from their franchise. If Pit can handle being by himself, I think the pokemon are just fine with only three. Pikachu is the main mascot, Jigglypuff was made for girl gamers, and Mewtwo is the main pokemon villain.

 

[Circus]

Another generation would be interesting, but a character from Sliver/Gold or Saphire/Ruby would make more sense to me.

Actually the Saphire/Ruby would make much more sense because every pokemon that has been announced has been from those games. Possible Blaziken?

But characters like Pit, C. Falcon, and Ness may be stuck with only one character from their franchise. If Pit can handle being by himself, I think the pokemon are just fine with only three. Pikachu is the main mascot, Jigglypuff was made for girl gamers, and Mewtwo is the main pokemon villain.

It would seem odd to just skip over the 3rd gen entirely, so I guess if they're going to bother with Lucario (or someone from D/P) then it seems unfair to the 3rd gen. But, I have no clear cut ideas on who could rep the third gen. Blaziken never grabbed me, and Deoxys, even when it had a chance, is just........a not nice looking character. >_>

I think the Pokemon franchise is fine with 3 reps as well, but it seems wrong to just cut a Pokemon slot entirely. Rather than just giving Pichu the axe (THOSE AMAZING GOGGLES!!! WHYYYY?!?!?!), I think they'd replace him with someone. Lucario seems most likely to me at this point. Always has, actually.

 

[_the_sandman_]

How would Lucario fight? Would he have any new abilities or moves to offer for the roster? Link, Marth, Pit, and Metaknight all use blades but they have completely different fighting styles.

Popularity is important, but you also have to think about how the character would fight in a battle. What unique abilities can they offer? Ness and Mewtwo are both psychic, but looks how different they are. I mean, Ness has a Baseball bat, while Mewtwo has dark energy.

Lucario is Steel/Fighting, correct? Now having Fox run around, punching and kicking, is fine because he rarely steps outside of his ship into combat. But Lucario comes from a world where characters can use any element and any ability.

Lets compare Lucario with Squirtle, to see who has a more unique style of fighting. Lucario would provide... punches, kicks, maybe some judo moves? Perhaps a blast of energy?

Now look at Squirtle. He has a shell, providing shell attacks. Bubbles, water gun, hydro pump. Not to mention skull bash, and a curly tail. There hasn't been a character who uses water attacks, and his size and water abilities would make him much different than Bowser.

Lucario would be different, but he would be something we have already seen. I know everyone uses physical attacks, but Lucario doesn't have much else going for him since he is a steel/fighting type. Unlike a water, fire, psychic, grass, electric, or even a poison type.

Its just... when I saw the movie, I wasn't impressed with Lucario at all. He just got beat up all the time, so I never really saw anything that would prove he would be a good add in. Mewtwo on other hand nearly destoyed a planet.

 

[Circus]

How would Lucario fight? Would he have any new abilities or moves to offer for the roster? Link, Marth, Pit, and Metaknight all use blades but they have completely different fighting styles.

Popularity is important, but you also have to think about how the character would fight in a battle. What unique abilities can they offer? Ness and Mewtwo are both psychic, but looks how different they are. I mean, Ness has a Baseball bat, while Mewtwo has dark energy.

Lucario is Steel/Fighting, correct? Now having Fox run around, punching and kicking, is fine because he rarely steps outside of his ship into combat. But Lucario comes from a world where characters can use any element and any ability.

Lets compare Lucario with Squirtle, to see who has a more unique style of fighting. Lucario would provide... punches, kicks, maybe some judo moves? Perhaps a blast of energy?

Now look at Squirtle. He has a shell, providing shell attacks. Bubbles, water gun, hydro pump. Not to mention skull bash, and a curly tail. There hasn't been a character who uses water attacks, and his size and water abilities would make him much different than Bowser.

Lucario would be different, but he would be something we have already seen. I know everyone uses physical attacks, but Lucario doesn't have much else going for him since he is a steel/fighting type. Unlike a water, fire, psychic, grass, electric, or even a poison type.

Its just... when I saw the movie, I wasn't impressed with Lucario at all. He just got beat up all the time, so I never really saw anything that would prove he would be a good add in. Mewtwo on other hand nearly destoyed a planet.

Well, Lucario certainly wouldn't be quite as unique as Squirtle is. At least as far as a moveset goes. But, I think the fact that Lucario is so popular, and that a moveset would be very easy to create for him, that he still has a head up on Squirtle (as well as many other pokemon for that matter).

As far as unique attacks are concerned. Force Palm comes to mind. Lucario could thrust his palm out, hitting anyone close enough, and a small quake of energy could run along the ground in front of him for a set distance, knocking people off balance, doing damage, whatever.

Aura Sphere seems like a great attack too, though I could really see it being almost exactly like Mewtwo's Shadow Ball or Samu's blast....thingy.

Overall, he really isn't that unique. But I think that on the flip side of that, he's a pokemon that's tailor made for Brawl. A working moveset isn't hard to create for him.

Edit: This is all based on my experience with him in Diamond though, since, like I said, I never saw the movie.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Sorry to keep responding, but I'm having so much fun with this conversation.

Smash is built by franchises. The most important characters from the series are needed to represent a franchise. Take Starfox for example, the big four in that game are Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy. If one of them disappeared, the game would feel off balance, it would feel like something is missing. But take a character like Wolf, he is basically an evil version of Fox (In Starfox 64). He wasn't big like andross, and actually in most games Wolf is in his role is very small. If would disappeared in the next Starfox, I don't think anyone would care.

So a character like Wolf would feel odd to pop up in Smash to me, because his role in the series really isn't that important. He's just another lacky rather than the MAIN bad guy.

Now back to Lucario and the poke-pals.

When pokemon first came out, it was MASSIVE. Cards were collected, toys were made, a tv show came out, and it basically took over the world. My dad never played pokemon, but he sure knew who Pikachu was, who Jigglypuff was, and he even knew who Charizard was! All can agree, whether they liked it or not, that pokemon was huge.

But this goes for all franchises whether or not we heard of the game. Mario was huge when he first showed up on Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, and even Pit was huge as well. Why do you think F-Zero had a sequal? Because it was popular enough to have one.

In this day in age though, Pokemon has been slowly fading away. It isn't as huge as it used to be. Thats why some people couldn't recognize who Deoxys or Lucario were until they looked them up.

So why have Lucario in when his game wasn't that massive compared to the original. Have characters everyone can name by heart, not a character that just had everyone joined the bandwagon on.

 

[kaid]

Lucario got his butt whooped by Ash in the movie. You want someone like THAT in Brawl?

Other way around. Ash got ninjatacked, choke-holded, thrown around, blasted at, and finally tackled again, all by Lucario.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Other way around. Ash got ninjatacked, choke-holded, thrown around, blasted at, and finally tackled again, all by Lucario.

But Mewtwo managed to kill Ash.

 

[kaid]

Well, Lucario did all that while being on the same side.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Can't compare to what Mewtwo did. He actually killed the main character, something no man or pokemon could have ever done.

The only one able to defeat him was Pikachu... because of his friendship.....

That's why those two will be back in Brawl, because they can actually counter one another.

 

[kaid]

Noone is saying Lucario can replace Mewtwo.

He's just better than anyone else. (Including the puff)

 

[_the_sandman_]

Mewtwo destoyed a planet. Made an army of pokemon. Killed Ash. And still remains alive, seeking more power to this day!

And yet.... Lucario got beaten.... ran away from Registeel (even though fighting counters steel), he then got beaten again, and he then sacrificed himself for a tree.

Now tell me.... who's better?



Anywho, back to my point. I don't think Lucario would make a good add for Brawl. His character just can't compare to the originals like Charmander and Squirtle.

 

[kaid]

He holds off 3 legendary pokemon while protecting noncombatants. For a regular pokemon, that's pretty impressive.

 

[Circus]

Sorry to keep responding, but I'm having so much fun with this conversation.

Smash is built by franchises. The most important characters from the series are needed to represent a franchise. Take Starfox for example, the big four in that game are Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy. If one of them disappeared, the game would feel off balance, it would feel like something is missing. But take a character like Wolf, he is basically an evil version of Fox (In Starfox 64). He wasn't big like andross, and actually in most games Wolf is in his role is very small. If would disappeared in the next Starfox, I don't think anyone would care.

So a character like Wolf would feel odd to pop up in Smash to me, because his role in the series really isn't that important. He's just another lacky rather than the MAIN bad guy.

Now back to Lucario and the poke-pals.

When pokemon first came out, it was MASSIVE. Cards were collected, toys were made, a tv show came out, and it basically took over the world. My dad never played pokemon, but he sure knew who Pikachu was, who Jigglypuff was, and he even knew who Charizard was! All can agree, whether they liked it or not, that pokemon was huge.

But this goes for all franchises whether or not we heard of the game. Mario was huge when he first showed up on Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, and even Pit was huge as well. Why do you think F-Zero had a sequal? Because it was popular enough to have one.

In this day in age though, Pokemon has been slowly fading away. It isn't as huge as it used to be. Thats why some people couldn't recognize who Deoxys or Lucario were until they looked them up.

So why have Lucario in when his game wasn't that massive compared to the original. Have characters everyone can name by heart, not a character that just had everyone joined the bandwagon on.

You have a point there. I actually don't have much to counter that. I guess it depends on whether or not one thinks each generation of pokemon should have some kind of representative or not. If you're going to throw all 500-ish pokemon into one basket, then Lucario doesn't stand out so much.

BUUUUT (there's gotta be a "but") that begs the question for the first two gens; why weren't they in SSB64 or Melee? The Red/Blue and Gold/Silver days were pre-Melee at least. If pokemon from those games were worthy of being included (besides the ones that were), why haven't they been yet?

Although that could be answered with the time crunch....but I'll choose to ignore that.

And sorry for skipping over, like, 10 posts. I had nothing to add to them, haha.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Nah, its cool.

If I recall, Pit was in the original. He was then replaced with Jigglypuff so a more "popular" character was in. Sakurai also has an odd sense of humor so I see Jiggs as one of his joke characters.

With 500+ pokemon its going to be really hard to choose who will even appear in the game (playable or pokeball). So its hard to say at this point, but I still feel like Lucario wouldn't fit in with the rest of the entire roster. Time will tell, until then its just opinions.

Its been fun, but I'm going to check the smash update and then go to bed.

 

[Circus]

Same. Now that I've seen this uneventful update (it'd be better if they somehow cleared up if there's any way for her to change aside from the Final Smash), I'm off to bed. Night, all.