The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[mood4food77]

uhhh

if cradily tickles twice, ice punch to CC doesn't 2HKO while cradily can finish him off after the first CC

it's a weird scenario that doesn't have a complete victory for either side

if primeape switches in on tickle and then CCs, cradily can OHKO him with seed bomb (or something like that)

i don't think primeape works as a counter since it doesn't force a switch nor is it gaurenteed victory

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I can't run any calcs right now, as I'm not on my computer, and I'm really lazy, and really tired, but the whole point of my previous post is "Find ANY situation where the counter fails, and it's a counter fail. Stop overthinking it, it's not a matter of prediction." If Pokemon A does x, can Pokemon B win if he does y? That's all there is to it.

Find and calculate a situation where Cradily beats Primape no matter what it does, and Primape fails as a counter. Primape doesn't have this choice. Primape has to have an answer to anything that Cradily might do.

 

[mood4food77]

there is no situation where it's guaranteed for either side

 

[xLeafybug =D]

That doesn't make sense. This is ****ING Pokemon, there are no ties. someone has to die. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. Run a step by step process if you have to, but someone friggen loses. Do it like this, but to save time, use only realistic situations.

Turn 1: Primape switches in, Cradily uses:
a) Seed Bomb- Primape y%, Cradily x%.
b) Tickle- Primape y%, Cradily x%/

Turn 2, option i): Primape uses Ice Punch, Cradily uses:
a) Seed Bomb- Primape y%, Cradily x%.
b) Tickle- Primape y%, Cradily x%.
OR
Turn 2, option ii): Primape uses Close Combat, Cradily uses:
a) Seed Bomb- Primape y%, Cradily x%.
b) Tickle- Primape y%, Cradily x%.

You get the idea. If Primape loses under ANY situation, it's a counter fail. Somehow I feel like I worded this wrong. But I don't care. I'm insanely tired, and I'm going to bed. Figure something out. I honestly couldn't care less.

EDIT: Wait, if Cradily Tickles on the switch, and Tickles again the next turn, can Primape win under any circumstance?

 

[kirbyraeg]

That's the point, Primeape can't win if Cradily uses Tickle twice in a row.

 

[IceArrow]

If he tickles twice 2 CCs kill him.

 

[WouW]

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Bold/Pressure
252HP/252Def/4SpA
Shadow Ball
Rest
Toxic
Protect

Counters both. Primeape gets 2HKOed by Shadowball+2x Life Orb (Primeape fails to 3HKO), and Cradily gets toxicstalled (Stone Edge only 5HKOs, but can only be used 4 times before running out of PP; also, -6 def Stone Edge fails to OHKO)

 

[Terywj [태리]]

WouW wins.

Venusaur @ Leftovers
Overgrow / Careful
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Sp Def
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Swords Dance
~ Power Whip

Unfortunately, Shadow Ball fails to break my Substitutes, doing 24.2%. Of which I can either Leech Seed, Swords Dance, and have fun. I'd need the +6 Attack to OHKO, but I can still outplay by consecutively Power Whipping after +2 or +4. forcing you the Rest, etc.

 

[mood4food77]

Charizard @ Life Orb
Timid / Blaze
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 6 Def
Fire Blast
Air Slash
HP Grass
Focus Blast

Fire Blast kills you before you kill me with power whip

 

[Platypus]

Time to force my ideas on other people:
Primeape has a course of action in which Cradily could defeat it by using Tickle and then Seed Bomb.
Primeape has a second course of action in which Cradily could defeat it by using Tickle, Tickle again, and then Seed Bomb.
Primeape will be spammed to death in any other course of action.
Therefore, assuming that the counter must be able to defeat the monster-to-be-countered no matter what decisions the monster-to-be-countered makes, I get +5 and Mawile is on the docket.
I had no idea I'd cause so much madness.

Versus Mawile:

Rotom w/Leftovers
Modest/Levitate
240 HP/ 200 Sp. Atk./ 70 Speed
+ Will-o-wisp
+ Substitute
+ Signal Beam
+ Thunder
Hyper Cutter doesn't prevent the dap from Burn.
SCORE!
OU, BL+1 UU+2 NU+3 Counter Fail+5 Tier below defender+1 (NU, UU, BL/OU)
B T - 5
Cease Tick - 16
Circa - 21
IceArrow - 21
jigglyppuff8 - 4
kirbyraeg - 82
LASHING LEAF - 1
Melfice z - 32
Meta-Kirby - 2
Metal~Mario - 54
mood4food77 - 29
Moozle - 27
NJzFinest - 6
Pink Reaper - 17
Platypus - 57
PowerBomb - 18
Riddle - 36
RuNNing Riot - 24
Sir Bedevere - 5
Terywj - 47
The Real Gamer -31
The Wrath of Koarin - 16
UltiMario - 36
Wave+ - 23
WouW - 10
Wrath` - 8
xLeafybug =D - 19

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Camerupt @ Leftovers
Solid Rock / Modest
252 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 4 Sp Def
~ Fire Blast
~ Earth Power
~ Yawn
~ Amnesia

Lol Signal Beam.

 

[mood4food77]

wouldn't charizard be the current counter if it counters mawile also? or we just ignoring it and going from mawile to rotom?

 

[Circa]

wouldn't charizard be the current counter if it counters mawile also? or we just ignoring it and going from mawile to rotom?

Well if we don't ignore it, then I get +10 for Spiritomb and Venusaur being counter fails vs Mawile (although I'm not actually sure if Venusaur loses to Mawile, tbh). So yeah, we ignore it for the sake of keeping things simpler and not going into the giant mind **** again.

 

[WouW]

Let's just say all counters that successfully counter whatever they were supposed to counter get their points, then forget everything and just go from the counter that's up now. (Camerupt)

 

[mood4food77]

Mantine @ Leftovers
Impish / Water Absorb
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Surf
Ice Beam
HP Electric
Haze

 

[kirbyraeg]

Chinchou @ Life Orb
252 Spe/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Modest / Volt Absorb

Agility
Hydro Pump
Thunder
Blizzard

chinchou don't give a ****

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Water Absorb / Careful
252 HP / 200 Atk / 56 Sp Def
~ Earthquake
~ Waterfall
~ Ice Punch
~ Toxic

My favorite Gen. V Pokemon thus far? Quagsire.

 

[Riddle]

Terywj, you are my new best friend.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Terywj, you are my new best friend.

I thought I already was.

 

[Moozle]

Victreebel@Life Orb
Chlorophyll / Modest
76 HP / 252 Sp. Attack / 180 Speed
~Energy Ball
~Sludge Bomb
~HP Ice
~Knock Off

 

[kirbyraeg]

Jynx @ Life Orb
252 SpAtk/252 Spe/4 Def
Timid / Oblivious

Nasty Plot
Ice Beam
Psychic
Lovely Kiss

Sludge Bomb doesn't 1hko, and I outspeed and 1hko with either stab move even without Life Orb.

 

[Platypus]

Hypno w/Iron Ball
Sassy/Insomnia
240 Atk./ 70 Def./ 200 Sp. Def.
+ Trick Room
+ Belly Drum
+ Fling
+ Zen Headbutt
house of violet cards

SCORE!
OU, BL+1 UU+2 NU+3 Counter Fail+5 Tier below defender+1 (NU, UU, BL/OU)
B T - 5
Cease Tick - 16
Circa - 21
IceArrow - 21
jigglyppuff8 - 4
kirbyraeg - 87
LASHING LEAF - 1
Melfice z - 32
Meta-Kirby - 2
Metal~Mario - 54
mood4food77 - 32
Moozle - 30
NJzFinest - 6
Pink Reaper - 17
Platypus - 60
PowerBomb - 18
Riddle - 36
RuNNing Riot - 24
Sir Bedevere - 5
Terywj - 55
The Real Gamer -31
The Wrath of Koarin - 16
UltiMario - 36
Wave+ - 23
WouW - 10
Wrath` - 8
xLeafybug =D - 19

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Absol @ Leftovers
Pressure / Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
~ Swords Dance
~ Taunt
~ Night Slash
~ Sucker Punch

Redudancy at its best.

 

[Cease Tick]

Poliwrath @ Focus Sash
Water Absorb/Adamant
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
-Bulk Up
-Brick Break
-Hypnosis
-Waterfall

I 1/2HKO with Brick Break, +2 Sucker Punch never 2HKOs.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Kirlia @ Lum Berry
252 HP/88 Def/168 Spe
Bold / Trace

Will-o-wisp
Wish
Encore
Psychic

I switch into anything you have easily and outspeed to wisp you. After that you'll do almost no damage to me at all, I think it takes like a +5 brick break to 2hko :3

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Flash Fire / Modest
4 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd
~ Fire Blast
~ Dark Pulse
~ Nasty Plot
~ Hidden Power [Grass]

 

[IceArrow]

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Flash Fire / Timid
EVs - 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Fire Blast
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power Fighting
Nasty Plot

 

[Terywj [태리]]

SHENANIGANS.

From now we need to induce a -10 point deduction if you use a Pokemon that's already been used on the same page.

 

[Wave⁂]

1. No johns

2. How long is a page?

3. No **** johns

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I still call shenanigans. Back with WouW we had that rule and everyone was fine and happy.

 

[Circa]

I still call shenanigans. Back with WouW we had that rule and everyone was fine and happy.

I think you should AT LEAST not counter a Pokemon using the same Pokemon. That's the only thing that's pretty dumb to me. And it's easy to follow as well.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think you should AT LEAST not counter a Pokemon using the same Pokemon. That's the only thing that's pretty dumb to me. And it's easy to follow as well.

Thank you, Torch- Circa. :D

 

[kirbyraeg]

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Flash Fire / Timid
EVs - 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Fire Blast
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power Fighting
Nasty Plot

Hitmontop @ Life Orb
252 HP/252 Atk/4 SpDef
Adamant/Technician

Fake Out
Mach Punch
Bullet Punch
Sucker Punch

atatatatatatatatatatata

 

[mood4food77]

Rotom @ Leftovers
Bold / Levitate
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spe
Protect
Will -o- Wisp
Pain Split
Substitute

 

[IceArrow]

Arcanine @ Life Orb
Flash Fire / Adamant
EVs - 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Crunch
Flare Blitz
Extremespeed
Will O Wisp

 

[kirbyraeg]

Moltres @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Spe/4 Def
Timid/Pressure

Substitute
Roost
Toxic
Flamethrower

ezmodo stall

 

[Wave⁂]

Magmortar @ Life Orb
Flame Body / Mild
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Fire Blast
Thunderbolt
HP Grass
Focus Punch

 

[Circa]

Grumpig @ Leftovers
Thick Fat / Modest
252 HP / 252 SAtk / 20 SDef
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Signal Beam
- HP Fighting

 

[mood4food77]

EZ mode stall would've been using physically bulky heatran but anyways

spiritomb @ leftovers
pressure / sassy
252 HP / 252 SpD / 6 SpA
Dark Pulse
HP Fighting
Calm Mind
Toxic

 

[kirbyraeg]

Magmortar @ Life Orb
Flame Body / Mild
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Fire Blast
Thunderbolt
HP Grass
Focus Punch

This actually doesn't work. I can toxic as you switch in, sub down 4 times (due to leftovers, 384 hp would normally only let me sub 3 times), then roost on the 5th turn. Thunderbolt does 50.27% when I roost and am neutral to electric, and focus punch only does 44.29%. Subsequently, I can also stall out every other counter used after this one. :3