The Bulbasaur Thread!!! ( minor update)

[M]

Firstly, I will state why Bulbasaur is as good a choice as any of the other suggested Pokemon for Brawl.
# 1: He has been around since the beginning ( being # 1 in the national Pokedex)
# 2: He is one of the most widely known Pokemon, known best as one of the 3 starters from Red/Blue version and their recent remake Fire Red/Leaf Green version. Because it was a starter in those games, there is a 2/3 of you finding it in your adventure, either you obtain it or your rival will possess it.
# 3: Like many Pokemon in Melee he had popularity in the anime.
# 4: He didn't appear in Melee but still had a trophy.
Because of it's Grass element, it would have many unique abilities in Brawl.

Speed: 3/5
Power: 3/5
Weight: 2/5
Size: =Pikachu
Note: Bulbasaur only has two regular jumps, like many other Smash characters.
Items are carried and thrown by vines coming from his bulb.
ATTACKS
A = Standard Headbutt 3%
Dash+A = A rushing forward headbutt 6-7%
TILTS all tilts have low knockback and may open up the opportunity for combos
Forward+A = Turns and kicks with hind legs 5-6%
Up+A = Raises back and attacks with bulb 6-7%
Down+A = Swats ground in front with foreleg 6%
AERIALS
A = Spins horizontally to attack 7%
Forward+A = Stretches legs for a midair tackle 7-8%
Back+A = A backwards kick (like Yoshi's from Smash 64) 6-8% * Thanks to Rhyme*
Down+A = Flips upside down spinning and attacks, bulb open. This attack hits multiple times, similar to Bowser's d-air. Up to 10%
SMASHES
Forward+A = Emits a cloud of spores, which linger for a brief moment before knocking opponents away(Zelda's Fsmash) 10-11% Charged 14-17% *Thanks Rhyme*
Up+A = Small jump with lots of power stored in bulb 11-12% Charged 16-18%
Down+A = Stretches an spins, damaging everything on both sides simultaneously 9-10% Charged 14-16%
SPECIALS
B = Solarbeam- 32% Cannot move while using the attack. It only damages if fully charged. Charging looks as if absorbing light. Beam has mid-long range. If B button is released before charge is finished, a beam identical to solarbeam is fired but has small-mid range and is harmless, can be used to fool opponents
Forward+B = Razor Leaf- 4-5% Attack is similar to Chikorita in Melee but is used one at a time
Up+B = Vine Whip- 8-9% Vines extend from bulb in Up-Forward direction ( medium range ) digging into walls used for recovery like a hookshot but because of its direction and length it is easy to recover from vertical drops.
Down+B = Leech Seed - 5% not damaging but a plant sprouts on the enemy's head ( as with Lip's Stick) and absorb health for a few seconds. Also while it is in effect the enemy moves slower than usual. *Thanks Rhyme*
OTHER
Taunt = A soft, but mean roar.
Super Smash Move = Frenzy Plant - Thorned Plants grow around enemy and begin constricting, while Razor Leaf is constantly emitted at the foe.
Kirby Hat = Not really a hat, but has green spots and a miniature bulb on back.


Well that's about it, your thoughts anyone? Personally I don't want this thread going without support or criticism I need to know what you all think.

Oh yeah, I haven't come up with a stage for him yet so I'm all open for stage suggestions along with your critique.
I also now understand that many of you don't like the fact that I support Bulbasaur over other Kanto starters. While personally I wouldn't mind Squirtle in the game, Charmander/Charizard would just be adding to the amout of fire in Smash, something there is already too much of. I just bring this up becaue I don't want any " Other starters are so much better" or " Bulbasaur is the worst choice". I made this thread to support him. Support the other starters elsewhere. Some would also have wanted Pokemon to represent 3rd and 4th generations. Bulbasaur could represent the return of the original gen ( FireRed/LeafGreen).

 

[AxemRed]

That's one nice moveset you've got there. It doesn't feel too similar to any one character. In fact, it's pretty unique in that regard. I agree that at least one of the starting pokemon should be included in Brawl, I'm surprised none them have been included so far. As far as a stage goes, it could be anywhere. Pikachu's stage in 64 was Saffron City, maybe another city-based stage would work well, now that Pikachu has the Stadium level. Maybe Pallet Town, since that's where you first get him? I dunno...good post though.

 

[M]

Thanks AxemRed, I chose Bulbasaur over the other Kanto starters because in Brawl, Bulbasaur would be best in its basic form. Many have wanted Blastoise and Charizard instead of Charmander and Squirtle. I feel that smaller Pokemon are better additions to Smash. Mewtwo was accepted and now he is at the bottom of the tier list. Plus, fire is too common among characters now, I wanted to introduce something completely different.

 

[oxyborb]

So I was thinking about Bulbasaur... And how your moveset could be better.

for one thing your upB should be stun spore. Bulbasaur would shoot spores out of his bulb, and fly a bit in the opposite direction. It could be used as a third jump because depending on which direction you use it, you'd move the other way. Think about it. It'd be interesting if to do his upB jump you actually had to aim toward the ground because his upB shoots spores up the way you smash it.

Vine whip then would be transfered to his grab like grapple beam or hootshot. Also I think his vines should be twice the size of Links hootshot. Why? Because Bulbasaur should be the only character without a second jump. Sure, he'd have an upB recovery and an air dodge, but there is just no way to make a second jump with Bulbasaur look reasonable. So, it'd figure in to let him have an extra long vine whip for recovery.

The normal B attack should be Razor Leaf. I think it'd work and look cooler if it worked like MrG&W's sausages. He shoots the leaves up randomly and they flow to the ground damaging you.

That would leave open Bsmash to Solar Beam, and Bdown to Leach Seed.

Of course I think it's reasonable to mention that bulbasaur should use his vines for holding weapons and for some of his A-attacks

EDIT; I moved this post that I just made to the front so new people could see it.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

bulbasaur being added would obviously be unfair to other starters (namely, the second most popular pokemon: charizard)

Thanks AxemRed, I chose Bulbasaur over the other Kanto starters because in Brawl, Bulbasaur would be best in its basic form. Many have wanted Blastoise and Charizard instead of Charmander and Squirtle. I feel that smaller Pokemon are better additions to Smash. Mewtwo was accepted and now he is at the bottom of the tier list. Plus, fire is too common among characters now, I wanted to introduce something completely different.

all pokemon will eventually evolve into their final forms at some stage, so it would make more sense to add their final forms instead of earlier forms. it would make more sense for bulbasaur instead of higher evos though, because the bulbasaur in the anime seems like it never will evolve. i disagree with your opinion that smaller characters should get in over larger characters though. melee was dominated by small light swift characters, so more better larger characeters would be a better idea if you ask me. (i REALLY wish people would stop using mewtwo as an example of why certain pokemon such as the large powerful ones shouldnt be characters. it was ONE mistake. get over it.) i dont want the next SSB to be super swift brothers. they can make a good heavy character, and it could be good. look at ganondorf.

besides that, bulbasaur seems like the most deserving grass type, it could be unique with its vines working as its arms in every way (grabbing, also like a hookshot to) and all of the unique grass type moves, its pretty significant and popular and recognisable and it could be a good character. i wouldnt mind it, but i doubt it based on the fact that it is a starter.

 

[the_air_up_there7]

Why bulbasaur??? Why not raichu that would be awsome. Hope mewtwo comes back, as well as new pokemon but not bulbasaur whats wrong with you is this your favorite pokemon or something?

 

[Devastlian]

unfair

I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

 

[M]

bulbasaur being added would obviously be unfair to other starters (namely, the second most popular pokemon: charizard)

I'll say this for the same reason I was against Blaziken, Smash Bros has enough fire attacks. As much as I'll admit Charizard is cool, Bulbasaur brings something new to the game - grass. This opens up many more options for attacks.

And Air Up There, we have enough electric rats to begin with, if he is in, it would only be to make up for a loss of Pichu.

 

[oxyborb]

i'd be pissed if they added raichu over bulbasaur or any other nonelectricrat. Same goes with readding pichu, or adding pulsie and minum.

Bulbasaur FTW

 

[T-major]

sorry, but I'm going to have to say no. B-saur's moves would be something new, and interesting; but he's a starter pokemon; and seeing as how you get to chose what Pokemon you start with, it would be like Nintendo saying "Bulbasaur is the offical starter Pokemon! screw you Squirtle!". it's not very fair to people who prefer other starters over Bulbasaur.

 

[Chepe]

One thing you forget: Blubasaur isnt bipedal in any way...

Smash characters need to be able to grab to throw characters and to use items (Pikachu/Pichu do make exceptions though). Pikachu and Pichu are both capable of standing on two feet to allow this, while Bulbasaur cannot...

I guess vines could be used though, but other ideas like Umbreon or Stantler (yes, some swear they have a good chance) are impossible because of this...

 

[shadenexus18]

I'm for Bulbasaur. We need a Brawl combatant that's on four legs. He'd be perfect.

Personally though, I prefer Ivysaur.

 

[Tanea]

I LIke it but maybe his b+up can be pedal dance and he is launched into the air and Solarbeam cam be his supersmash move but those are just ideas good job !!!!! they should put him in

 

[Tanea]

acouple of other attacks leech seed,skull bash,posion powder and other. think about it.

 

[M]

Skull Bash has been done for the Chu's and frenzy plant is the most powerful move Bulbasaur has, its natural for that to be his Super Smash, just as Pikachu will probably be zap cannon.

 

[Overdaws]

<3 Bulbasaur

And I really like that idea about using his vines for throws and holding items. This could easily circumvent his non-bipedalness.

 

[Shigy79]

great idea! it will be great to have Charmander and Squirtle too!

 

[M]

Squirtle would be something new but Charmander would be adding to the huge amount of fire characters already in Smash Bros.

 

[D3monicWolv3s]

Squirtle would be something new but Charmander would be adding to the huge amount of fire characters already in Smash Bros.

More fire? are you kidding? Roy is the only pure fire character, and he probaly will be cut for
brawl. And all the rest that are considered fire users have only a few fire moves.

Plus if they only add bulbasaur or squirtle many will be pissed about where charmander is.

I say go ahead and add another fire.

Anyways good moveset, but I don't think bulbasaur ever learns bodyslam...
The only move that I would like to see would be leech seed, but then
again I just always loved that move...

 

[R.L.Prodigy]

Blasphemy! Adding just Bulbasaur and Squirtle into the mix without Charmander would be....be.... =(

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

LISTEN! they arent going to add 3 starters. thats BS. noone wants it so they wont do it. 3 words. WASTE-OF-SPACE
would you rather have Charmander or Deoxys/Lucario? if they put 3 starters in, no other pokemon would get in. only 1 starter would get in or else it would just be...

 

[M]

Anyways good moveset, but I don't think bulbasaur ever learns bodyslam...
The only move that I would like to see would be leech seed, but then
again I just always loved that move...

I don't think Pikachu ever learned skull bash, but Smash Bros sometimes does things a little differently. I was thinking about leech seed but Bulbasaur wasn't intended to be a long range specialist. Then again we don't have many of those yet....

As for those of you talking **** about other starters, read underneath the moveset. Otherwise, make a thread for the starter you want or complain about them in the Blaziken thread or something.

 

[KevinM]

He is too weak it seems, i mean most of his move's seem underpowered however it's good idea's and not going to lie i love bulbasaur, just make some of his moves more powerful and make the vine whips controllable and aimable that way you can sweet spot the ledge

 

[M]

^^^Actually I think Bulbasaur is fine as it is. Its not underpowered in any way, and one of his moves has potential to do high damage. Hey noone could suggest good levels

 

[thatsmybutta]

scyther would be better
but even if this was an amazing character idea, do you really think brawl's developers are gona look at this and create bulbasaur in the game? haha

 

[M]

^^^Umm did you read the beginning of the first post. If so, you would realise why Bulba is much better than Scyther for smash.

 

[whitekirby]

An idea for a stage could be this: one time in an episode on the show bulbasaur ran away to evolve. He ran away to a magical forest. So for his level you could be fighting in the trees. The branchs could break for that new break feature in Brawl and would grow back after like 30 seconds. Also I guess acorns could fall from the top for somethin else.
Also bulbasaur is a great idea and I love the kirby hat.

 

[Alk]

they probably won't add him thought

 

[Stryks]

Lol bulsbasaur has as much of a chance as mario using water instead of fire for his attacks.... which will NEVER happen...

 

[Rhyme]

Hey there MM, word in the Samus' Villain thread was that you had a Bulbasaur thread, so I decided to stop by for a spell.

besides that, bulbasaur seems like the most deserving grass type, it could be unique with its vines working as its arms in every way (grabbing, also like a hookshot to) and all of the unique grass type moves, its pretty significant and popular and recognisable and it could be a good character. i wouldnt mind it, but i doubt it based on the fact that it is a starter.

I like the idea of vine arms as well.

great idea! it will be great to have Charmander and Squirtle too!

That is very unlikely to happen...if Nintendo added any more pokemon, it would probably be just one.

I don't think Pikachu ever learned skull bash, but Smash Bros sometimes does things a little differently. I was thinking about leech seed but Bulbasaur wasn't intended to be a long range specialist. Then again we don't have many of those yet....

As for those of you talking **** about other starters, read underneath the moveset. Otherwise, make a thread for the starter you want or complain about them in the Blaziken thread or something.

I thought Bulbusaur would be more of a long ranged specialist instead of using physical attacks. Bulbusaur would be my personal choice for a starter because it seems as though he would have the best capabilities to be unique. Maybe it's just me and who else I would like to appear but, Squirtle = Koopa, Charmander = Yoshi, Bulbusaur = Pika, as far as who they resemble most. From what I remember of Pokemon, Charmander uses primarily fire attacks, not sutible for melee combat. I think he also had a slashing move? Charmeleon had one of that I am sure. Squirtle had a few moves involving his shell, but other than that it was bubbles and surf, lots of stuff which isn't technically a physical attack. Bulbusaur had shorter ranged projectiles, his hard head, and vines protruding from a bulb on his back. He seems to have the most variety of any of those characters.

Overall, I think Squirtle might make an interesting character, I would deffinately like to play as Charmander until I became bored with him, but Bulbusaur would have to be my number 1 pick for a new pokemon that was added.

 

[Pine]

That's one nice moveset you've got there. It doesn't feel too similar to any one character. In fact, it's pretty unique in that regard.

how can u possibly say that....every a attack is identical to bowsers move set

 

[yoshis down b owns]

every attack is not ideltical u idiot. does bowser have vines? or anything long range for that matter? i think you should learn how to read before posting next time pine

 

[Pine]

you try reading dan...i said every a attack and the vines was up b....

wow learn to flame better buddy

 

[Rhyme]

you try reading dan...i said every a attack and the vines was up b....

wow learn to flame better buddy

Actually, you said this:

how can u possibly say that....every a attack is identical to bowsers move set

This is your exact unaltered post, in which you made no mention of any upB whatsoever. So next time, watch what you say.

MM, if I were you, I would make a few small changes. Simple things like adding leach seed or stun spore would make this character more unique. You could even use a few unorthodox changes, like making his Smash attacks use his vines instead of his body.

That's all for now. *waits to be yelled at by Pine*

Edit: I decided maybe I should be more exact or give examples, so:

Back+A = Tilts body back attacking with bulb 8%

Could instead be a backwards kick like Yoshi's from Smash 64.

Forward+A = Slams forward 10-11% Charged 14-17%

Might be changed to a cloud of spores, which linger for a brief moment before knocking opponents away(Zelda's Fsmash)

Down+B = Body Slam 12-13% If used in midair Bulbasaur drops into the ground at high speed. If used on the ground, he jumps first like Bowser and Yoshi but faster, weaker, and easier to avoid.

This could always be changed to leach seed, one of his first moves I can remember. It would imobilize the opponent briefly(sing), as well as take about 2 damage and restore that to Bulbusaur's health.

So, as you may have seen, possibilities exist to make him a completely unique character. The moveset is just for people who say he doesn't have moves. If you don't like that person's moveset, then make your own. The goal was not to make every user happy, after all.

 

[M]

Thanks for the tip, Rhyme. I'll be sure to update the moveset again as soon as I get home, also on another note, it's good to finally get some respectable support for Bulbasaur on this thread.

EDIT: There you go Rhyme I fixed the moveset for you, as well as adding a damage estimate for the new moves, and made Leech Seed a little better.

 

[M]

How about this for a stage idea....

Characters fight in Prof. Oaks lab, knocking down shelves and computers and such while a fierce battle is going on between the two trainers (with Charmander and Squirtle who pose as obstacles). It would be like Mushroom Kingdom where you must knock them out the side of the level (not the bottom) to KO them.

How about it?

EDIT: Oops, I posted last, my bad.

 

[oxyborb]

So I was thinking about Bulbasaur... And how your moveset could be better.

for one thing your upB should be stun spore. Bulbasaur would shoot spores out of his bulb, and fly a bit in the opposite direction. It could be used as a third jump because depending on which direction you use it, you'd move the other way. Think about it. It'd be interesting if to do his upB jump you actually had to aim toward the ground because his upB shoots spores up the way you smash it.

Vine whip then would be transfered to his grab like grapple beam or hootshot. Also I think his vines should be twice the size of Links hootshot. Why? Because Bulbasaur should be the only character without a second jump. Sure, he'd have an upB recovery and an air dodge, but there is just no way to make a second jump with Bulbasaur look reasonable. So, it'd figure in to let him have an extra long vine whip for recovery.

The normal B attack should be Razor Leaf. I think it'd work and look cooler if it worked like MrG&W's sausages. He shoots the leaves up randomly and they flow to the ground damaging you.

That would leave open Bsmash to Solar Beam, and Bdown to Leach Seed.

Of course I think it's reasonable to mention that bulbasaur should use his vines for holding weapons and for some of his A-attacks

 

[Saimdusan]

Only if Charmander and Squirtle are in, which I hope never are (because they severly lower the chance of Charizard and Blastoise), because they are more important. And Venasaur is cooler. Also has an easy Super Smash (Frenzy Plant).

 

[Micahc]

Meh, Bulbasaur wouldn just be another phunkey Pokemon lightweight. I say throuw in Scizor or Marowak as heavy weights, and not put in bulbasaur.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I liked the movesets for Bulbasaur but would he really be a great addition? I mean come on! I'm not trying to dis bulbasaur but IMO I think that Venasaur is a more deserving character after all, he was in the last game as a pokeball pokemon so why should little punny bulbasaur replace it's older evolution?