Technique for practicing crouch cancelling?

[OverLade]

Is there any specific way to practice reflexive crouch cancelling by yourself in training mode/vs a CPU?

Something like the teching practice routines, or pillaring routines? Any kind of help would be appreciate, I feel like this part of the game has been a huge barrier to getting better.

 

[JPOBS]

put the computer on a mediate level like 4 or 5 and while you're routinely beating on them as usual, try to reflexively CC anything they happen hit you with.

 

[OverLade]

Thanks, though as a generic rule that sounds rather difficult. Is there any specific character that has more predictable or easily reactable moves that they throw out?

Also I'd like to practice crouch cancelling get up attacks and ledge get up attacks. Any specific techniques/characters to use for that?

 

[Zodiac]

You'll just have to find an opportunity to use it in a real match, find a situational move that can be beat by cc and then start practicing it on reaction.

 

[JPOBS]

cpus always get up attack if you are in range, so you could toy with that.

 

[Pi]

Thanks, though as a generic rule that sounds rather difficult. Is there any specific character that has more predictable or easily reactable moves that they throw out?

Also I'd like to practice crouch cancelling get up attacks and ledge get up attacks. Any specific techniques/characters to use for that?

you're going to be CCing primarily aerial moves
so as soon as your opponent goes airborne & is coming at you, might as well crouch or shield

some dash attacks are good to CC, shieks comes to mind
marths if it doesn't tipper
spacies at low %'s

but primarily it's aerials

also you don't wanna CC meteors/spikes, so if you think they gonna throw that out just shield or re-position & punish

best way to practice imo is spam it in a match in different situations

 

[Signia]

CPUs jab all the time if you're close. Dash around them, and hold down. Practice responding with a grab or something as soon as you get jabbed.

In your mind, you can think of it as a counter/parry, or just as another way of shielding, so that you hit down when you think you'll get hit, making it the same reflex as your shielding reflex. Hope that made sense

 

[Bones0]

1. Choose Peach.
2. See how many dsmashes you can land each stock.
3. ?????
4. Profit.

 

[FoxLisk]

just CC everything. getting used to full crouch cancelling is hard cause you have to have some time and not be in lag, but just ASDI'ing whenever you dont have a compelling reason not to isn't that hard to get in your brain. just like whenever you land and realize you weren't safe go ahead and CC in your lag, **** like that. just make yourself do it for a while and you'll get used to it.

 

[OverLade]

just CC everything. getting used to full crouch cancelling is hard cause you have to have some time and not be in lag, but just ASDI'ing whenever you dont have a compelling reason not to isn't that hard to get in your brain. just like whenever you land and realize you weren't safe go ahead and CC in your lag, **** like that. just make yourself do it for a while and you'll get used to it.

That's not a good idea, especially when you have lots of other mix ups and your opponent can grab you. I need to work on crouch cancelling on reaction when I see a move coming at me (I have a really good reaction time so I know I can do this). Also I have really good DI so I need to be able to distinguish between when to DI something and when to crouch cancel or shield it.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

the best way to learn it imo is to start playing cc heavy chars in friendlies vs people worse then you and going for cc's as much as possible. after a while youll start diing down in lag in lots of situations by habit.

 

[JPOBS]

That's not a good idea, especially when you have lots of other mix ups and your opponent can grab you. I need to work on crouch cancelling on reaction when I see a move coming at me (I have a really good reaction time so I know I can do this). Also I have really good DI so I need to be able to distinguish between when to DI something and when to crouch cancel or shield it.

you can't rely purely on your reaction time to do everything, you cant "wait to see a move coming at you" to CC it. Fox's nair for example comes out in 4 frames, you would never cc that if you tried doing it on reaction every time.

You have to anticipate when you're going to get hit and start holding down. Foxlisk was right for the most part, if you whiff a move you're probably going to get hit by your opponent, so its worthwhile to start holding down while in lag just to be sure.

then when you realize that you're not going to get hit, you can take other defensive actions if you have time, shield, run away etc.
This all happens vvery quickly though. You have to get a "game sense" for when you're going to get hit and what you're going to do in the event that you dont.

in general, CC at low percents, and DI at higher percents. But beware of certain moves in certain locations. Like, don't CC a knee near the ledge even at low percent or you'll probably die

 

[FoxLisk]

not only was i mostly right, thank you, i was also trying to explain how to learn the technique. not how to implement it perfectly. you learn it by implementing it always and learning when not to.

 

[OverLade]

you can't rely purely on your reaction time to do everything, you cant "wait to see a move coming at you" to CC it. Fox's nair for example comes out in 4 frames, you would never cc that if you tried doing it on reaction every time.

You have to anticipate when you're going to get hit and start holding down. Foxlisk was right for the most part, if you whiff a move you're probably going to get hit by your opponent, so its worthwhile to start holding down while in lag just to be sure.

then when you realize that you're not going to get hit, you can take other defensive actions if you have time, shield, run away etc.
This all happens vvery quickly though. You have to get a "game sense" for when you're going to get hit and what you're going to do in the event that you dont.

in general, CC at low percents, and DI at higher percents. But beware of certain moves in certain locations. Like, don't CC a knee near the ledge even at low percent or you'll probably die

I'll be reacting to the short hop approach, rather than the 4 frame nair itself, so there will be plenty of time to react, though to be fair you're still right.

I'm a top brawl player in my region, but I've been learning melee. DIing things on reaction is a natural sense I already have, but the problem is distinguishing when to crouch cancel as regularly DIing at low percents gets you combo'd. Anyway tahnks for the explanation.

not only was i mostly right, thank you, i was also trying to explain how to learn the technique. not how to implement it perfectly. you learn it by implementing it always and learning when not to.

Didnt mean to sound like a ****. You're right about it being a good strat to learn, but I still thing the way you said it was a bit poorly phrased. I already have survival DIing most moves as a habit which is why I have to learn it backwards. I apologize for not putting it in better context

 

[t3h Icy]

This is just me, but I find holding down helps.

 

[spider_sense]

Is there any specific way to practice reflexive crouch cancelling by yourself in training mode/vs a CPU?

Something like the teching practice routines, or pillaring routines? Any kind of help would be appreciate, I feel like this part of the game has been a huge barrier to getting better.

Hmm just have a friendly with a person that you usually play and CC everything that person does. Then take it a step further by trying to react to it. Like jab, dtilt, shine, etc. Hope that helps man. Btw, you're mad good at smash. I got some good exp from you at WATO; definitely top notch material. Hope to play you at NOOB if you're going...hell...if I'M going. lol

 

[OverLade]

Hmm just have a friendly with a person that you usually play and CC everything that person does. Then take it a step further by trying to react to it. Like jab, dtilt, shine, etc. Hope that helps man. Btw, you're mad good at smash. I got some good exp from you at WATO; definitely top notch material. Hope to play you at NOOB if you're going...hell...if I'M going. lol

Thanks, I appreciate the advice, and I'm really working hard on this stuff as it's really deep stuff. I'll def be at NOOB3 so if you can make it I look forward to some matches as well haha.