SWF Official "Team Breakers" Discussion

[ss118]

And this is about "team breakers", so I guess that would work as an argument in this topic's case.

I haven't seen 9001 post a lot but everything he does post has been impressive thus far.

Here's a fighting-mono team breaker:

Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Serene Grace: timid
4 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed
Air Slash

 

[Riddle]

Lucario beats that :D

 

[Pink Reaper]

And this is about "team breakers", so I guess that would work as an argument in this topic's case.

I haven't seen 9001 post a lot but everything he does post has been impressive thus far.

Here's a fighting-mono team breaker:

Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Serene Grace: timid
4 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed
Air Slash

Su(b)perior

Gyarados@Expert Belt
Jolly/Intimidate
252Atk/252Spe/4SpAtk
-Bounce
-Dragon Dance
-HP Flying
-Splash

take THAT fighting types

 

[Gates]

Anything with scarf and Thunderpunch/Stone Edge beats that.

 

[The Real Gamer]

He's using Splash for crying out loud Gates. -.-

 

[Gates]

Splash is actually a great mindgame. I often use it as a means of passing the turn to get some lefties recovery and/or have my opponent take poison damage after I have +6 atk and speed from DD boosting. Splash combined with 2 layers of TSpikes allows Gyara to take on Vaporeons without HP Electric while saving the PP of his attacking moves for more important things.

 

[Zankoku]

I like the inclusion of HP Flying to take advantage of Gyarados' absurd(ly good) base SAtk stat. It's used to secretly counter Aggrons, right?

 

[Pink Reaper]

Its to counter Physically Defensive Reflect Parasect.

 

[ss118]

Which is awfully common on fighting-mono teams for some reason.

 

[mood4food77]

Staraptor @ Choice Scarf
Adamant / Intimidate
252 Atk/252 Spe/6 Def
Brave Bird
Close Combat
Quick Attack
U-turn

If SR isn't up, this thing is much more annoying than Flygon. Quick Attack is there to beat out stupid priority users. Lastly, if you double switch into Weavile, you win the match-up, Ice Shard NEVER OHKO's even with SR in play at -1, something flygon can't acheive

oh, and neither does mamoswine

what makes him so good is that he is an amazing compliment to the FWG core, especially if you're using a combo of heatran/celebi/starmie

why is that? it's because staraptor adds another switch-in to their weaknesses, while outspeeding most and even beating most revenge killers 1-on-1 (scizor is a close call, it can happen but it's not likely)

the key for this is for SR to not be up, if it's not up, there's literally nothing stopping staraptor, not even rotom because staraptor ALWAYS outspeeds rotom and can u-turn away

it's a beast and probably one of the best compliments to the FWG cores that should be used more

 

[Zankoku]

Not exactly a team breaker if it only comes in to stop certain matchups and uses a Choice item.

 

[Wave⁂]

What kind of team does that break?

 

[UltiMario]

OU+ Teams.

:/

 

[Riddle]

It breaks my all magikarp team pretty well

 

[mood4food77]

well it's not really a team breaker but it's more annoying when combined with the celetran combo especially

being immune to heatran's main weakness and one of celebi's weaknesses is a pretty good thing

oh, and if SR is up, staraptor actually 2HKO's choice rotom, which is pretty significant as that's delectably the most common rotom set, if it's any other rotom, rotom wins but scarftom actually can't safely switch in against staraptor

it's pretty good anti-stall though, it can't do it on it's own but in this metagame, it could actually become a full OU pokemon, all you have to do is use a good anti-lead (blastoise works well)

 

[Zankoku]

I think you're in the wrong thread.

 

[mood4food77]

what thread would it be

it's definitely not a create my own moveset

i haven't tested out the full thing yet in regular OU, but in OU+, it's done work and i feel like if i change the team around for regular OU, it could really work the same

 

[Riddle]

It'd go in rate my moveset

 

[NJzFinest]

*ignore this*

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What is going on in this thread? I seriously don't get it.

 

[The Real Gamer]

We're posting movesets that are specifically designed to break through certain types of teams... Most commonly stall.

The moveset M4F posted might have thrown you off a bit.

 

[mood4food77]

that set actually beats stall though, very similar to the way flygon would but with quite a bit more power

really, unless it's bulky rotom or a bulky steel/psychic type, you 2HKO everything at worst

and it's not rate my moveset because it's not an original moveset

 

[Wave⁂]

Staraptor's Close Combat vs. Specially Defensive Skarmory: 27.5% - 32.6%
Brave Bird vs. Specially Defensive Forretress: 43.2% - 50.8%
Brave Bird vs. Standard Hippowdon: 33.1% - 39.3%
-1 Brave Bird vs. Rest Talk Gyarados: 29% - 34.4%
Brave Bird vs. CursePert: 52.2% - 61.9%
Brave Bird vs. +1 CursePert: 35.1% - 41.6%

Stealth Rock vs. 252 / 252 Impish Staraptor: 25%

 

[ss118]

Clefable is the best stall breaker.

End of discussion on that one.

 

[Zankoku]

I actually agree with that. Clefable isn't too much trouble to offense but can stall out stall teams.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Tony, there's a joke here between at least me/art and im hoping anyone who still remembers what he's referencing. It has absolutely nothing to do with stalling a stall team.