SWF Create-a-Team 1: Pokemon NOMINATIONS

[ss118]

Edit: NOMINATION PROCESS!
If you want to nominate a pokemon, follow this form:

Pokemon:
Tier: Ubers, Suspect, OU, UU, NU, Little Cup
Reasoning:

You can nominate as many pokemon as you want, but don't say they have to be on the same team! PM it to me, and after a couple of days I'll post a poll.

So yeah, SWF is going to establish itself as a world power by bringing together the minds of all of us players in the pokecenter. Afterwards, the team will be posted for everyone that lurks here to use, later being "archived", so to speak.

Anyway, this is a discussion thread for the intial pokemon we're going to place on the team. I know that players don't always pick the pokemon first: usually we pick based off of a core of high synergy pokemon and base some "glue" members off that. Feel free to post a "core" that you want to establish on the team, but I think we should strive for originality, as well as effectiveness.

Example
I put forward our new OU member, Manaphy, for our first pokemon on our CaT. In a metagame where not everyone is quite used to seeing its face, we should jump at the chance to abuse its untapped potential. It can also work on a variety of teams, from HO to Bulky Offense to Stallish Offense to Rain Dance Offense to Offensive Stall to Defensive Stall to Hard Core Stall to Suck a **** Stall.

Btw that's my actual choice as well. xD

A second Example:

Cuteloom- The normal Breloom just can't hang in today's environment. It can't switch in, and if it does, it is forced to use spore right away to set up. However, thanks to the Cuteloom EV spread, Breloom can now hang with today's top threats, even Rotom. Its a balance between Breloom's natural offensive nature with his defensive moves, Substitute and Leech Seed, as well as his wonderful Toxic Heal. Factoring in Sandstorm and Toxic Heal, Breloom can take ANY thing switching in on a CHOICE BAND TYRANITAR, Leech Seed him next turn, then substitute, and either stall him out while you heal or finish him off with a focus punch. With Spore now freed up, his counters can be spored away, and he can stall out pokemon that he generally couldn't kill, like Swampert.

Cuteloom is versatile, packing stall, sleep support, and a powerful offense move. Weather on a bulky offense or a stall, Cuteloom will find a nice place in today's metagame.

 

[Deleted member]

old favorites-

hippowdon forretress suicune
magnezone zapdos rotom
gyarados tyranitar swampert

and yes, the holy trinity

scizor heatran rotom

 

[CT Chia]

Manaphy is OU? o lord

i always love using Slowbro, Tyranitar, and Ninjask

not all together though exactly

 

[CRASHiC]

I came to suggest Manaphy as the basis of the team as well xD

EDIT- or my personal favorite CuteLoom of course.

 

[DUB]

I think we should start off discussion with ideas for lead Pokemon for the *future* Best Team Ever.


EDIT: If this team could possible include a Heracross that is fine with me

 

[CRASHiC]

Should't a lead be more of a set up for your plan? I mean, how do you know that your team will need stealth rock support until you have it set up? How do you know that your team will need to Screen support, or will need the hazard entries taunted until you know what your team looks like. I don't know, I always do Lead after my team starts taking shape.

 

[Wave⁂]

I support Manaphy. Also Machamp.

 

[supermarth64]

IMO, when building teams, I always do leads either 4th or 5th, as the 2nd or 3rd Pokemon should be used to help counter any opposing Pokemon.

Also supporting Manaphy. As for a set, maybe Tail Glow + 3 attacks or SubCM.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I support Manaphy.

I suggest Gallade.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Gallade or Shaymin would be interesting, those BL Pokemon get no love.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I know...it's terrible.

-Terywj

 

[Riddle]

Manaphy.

Also Shedinja

 

[DUB]

You two make very valid points. I don't really think it matters what order you make a team, as long as they are all able to support each other.

Suggestions Thus Far:
Manaphy
Shedinja
Gallade
Shaymin
Machamp
Heracross
Slowbro
Ninjask
Tyranitar
Suicine
Swampert


*Gallade & Manaphy occurred multiple times.

 

[Deleted member]

**** it, if we have to pick one, I pick shiny gengar. if we have to pick a core, I pick gengar in tandem with gyarados and tyranitar.

 

[CRASHiC]

Suggestions Thus Far:
Manaphy
Shedinja
Gallade
Shaymin
Machamp
Heracross
Slowbro
Ninjask
Tyranitar
Suicine
Swampert

I also suggested Breloom, specificially the Cute Breloom, AKA, the amazing one.
Adamant Toxic Orb 172 HP / 204 Def / 132 Spe

 

[ss118]

We can work on the core later. If you want a particular core, you better hype up one of the pokemon in the core and get it chosen.

Also, people here are asking for pokemon to put up but you don't put reasoning! I mean, you can even say "lol it's cool" and I would at least know that you didn't just type random letters.

I supported Manaphy with reasons as to why it should be chosen. Unknown effects on the metagame, versatility, and just plain adorableness gives me more than enough reason to want to try to focus on it.

Gallade is cool, I admit. The problem is with Scizor running around, it won't get to sweep much. Then again, it doesn't have to sweep, just deal damage and help the overall cause of the team. But I'd like to hear more opinions on this.

Shaymin is cool for me, as is Gengar and Breloom. Another pokemon I like is Zapdos, as its offensive prowess is often forgot. But we don't have to go that direction.

Besides, this is a COMMUNITY project. I would like if we could all agree on something, or at least understand why something is chosen. Majority wins, however, so being completely adamant(+atk, -satk) won't get you anywhere.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Manaphy for being such a fresh new addition to the OU metagame. And it's viablity as a sweeper or support.

I'm very tired so I apologize for my poor reasoning.

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

Okay then, I'll propose some pokemon and their reasoning.

Manaphy- for everything you state. Run the rain dance stall set

Cuteloom- The normal Breloom just can't hang in today's enviroment. It can't switch in, and if it does, it is forced to use spore right away to set up. However, thanks to the Cuteloom EV spread, Breloom can now hang with today's top threats, even Rotom. Its a balance between Breloom's natural offensive nature with his defensive moves, Substitute and Leech Seed, as well as his wonderful Toxic Heal. Factoring in Sandstorm and Toxic Heal, Breloom can take ANY thing switching in on a CHOICE BAND TYRANITAR, Leech Seed him next turn, then substitute, and either stall him out while you heal or finish him off with a focus punch. With Spore now freed up, his counters can be spored away, and he can stall out pokemon that he generally couldn't kill, like Swampart.

Cuteloom is versatile, packing stall, sleep support, and a powerful offense move. Weather on a bulky offense or a stall, Cuteloom will find a nice place in today's metagame.

 

[ss118]

Cuteloom- The normal Breloom just can't hang in today's environment. It can't switch in, and if it does, it is forced to use spore right away to set up. However, thanks to the Cuteloom EV spread, Breloom can now hang with today's top threats, even Rotom. Its a balance between Breloom's natural offensive nature with his defensive moves, Substitute and Leech Seed, as well as his wonderful Toxic Heal. Factoring in Sandstorm and Toxic Heal, Breloom can take ANY thing switching in on a CHOICE BAND TYRANITAR, Leech Seed him next turn, then substitute, and either stall him out while you heal or finish him off with a focus punch. With Spore now freed up, his counters can be spored away, and he can stall out pokemon that he generally couldn't kill, like Swampert.

Cuteloom is versatile, packing stall, sleep support, and a powerful offense move. Weather on a bulky offense or a stall, Cuteloom will find a nice place in today's metagame.

this is EXCELLENT! Mind if I use this as an example in the OP? Too late!

 

[Oracle]

If we're using manaphy, let's use shedinja. His number one problem is hail/sandstorm, which is nullified by having a rain team. He makes a ridiculously awesome late game sweeper once there is knowledge of the opponent's team and spikes/SR is off the field.

 

[ss118]

Well that is if Manaphy is decided on.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Actually, sweeping non-lead Azelf isn't used particularly often, but can take down a lot of top OU pokemon. With flamethrower, thunderbolt, psychic, and HP Ice, Azelf hits 19 of the top 25 pokemon super-effectively. Moreover, it outspeeds all but two of the top 25 (ties Azelf and Starmie). Some resilient ones may survive (i.e. Rotom-H, Latias) but you can say goodbye to the likes of Scizor, Gyarados, Gengar, etc.

Also I don't think Feraligatr gets enough love. It's similar to swampert, but it benefits from the option to sweep with DD. But it doesn't work with manaphy, so... eh.

And I second the support of machamp.

 

[CRASHiC]

posted this at the wrong time, will respost this info at a later, more appropriate date.

 

[ss118]

hold on a second! Let's not jump the gun here!

After we choose an initial pokemon, then we can move onto teammates and such.

 

[CRASHiC]

Oooh. I'm sorry, I thought we had already decided about the Manaphy. Alright, I'll cut that out until later. I missread your post "That's it, Manaphy is decided on."

 

[KrazyGlue]

Maybe we should make a poll for this. We could come up with a few top candidates and then vote on them.

 

[ss118]

This topic is meant to create discussion FOR the canidates! Then later there will be a poll, then a discussion on the moveset, then we would move to teammates or whatever.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

It runs similar to the SmashCAP threads. Discussion is made first, whereafter a poll will be made to decide on.

-Terywj

 

[KrazyGlue]

This topic is meant to create discussion FOR the canidates! Then later there will be a poll, then a discussion on the moveset, then we would move to teammates or whatever.

It runs similar to the SmashCAP threads. Discussion is made first, whereafter a poll will be made to decide on.

-Terywj

Alright. We should still at least have a list of the possibilities that have been brought up.

 

[Wave⁂]

ss118 should probably edit stuff into the first post. Then we wait a day or two for other ideas.

 

[supermarth64]

Well guys, sorry for the disappointment, but Jumpman changed his idea.

After speaking with Aeolus and other Tiering Contributors over the past few days, we are considering holding a Stage 3-3 where Latias and Manaphy will be tested together. Logically, this is of course the correct thing to have done yesterday.

I trust you won't perceive it as defensiveness when I cite our decision to add Latias to the Standard Ladder earlier this year after its OU Stage 2 tag as the only reason I felt it a virtual non-issue to similarly move Manaphy to the Standard Ladder. I and we have changed many, many things during this test on the fly, and this probably won't be the last reconsideration that's made during the Suspect Test Process.

So we can either stay with Manaphy and make a Stage 3 team or we can use another Pokemon to base a team around.

 

[Wave⁂]

lol

Shedinja it is, lol.

 

[CRASHiC]

No, let's find a way to get choice band Aggron viable as the focus of an OU team.

 

[DUB]

No, let's find a way to get choice band Aggron viable as the focus of an OU team.

I actually made the Breloom you speak of yesterday. I have yet to play with it but it does seem rather impressive with the Leech Seed+ Poison Heal Spore. I will test around with it some more today.

There may be a viable way to use Toxicroak on this team. I wish his defense was better. If you switch him in and he takes a small blow, Toxicroak can pack a punch. His speed and defense are the pnly attributes questionable.

Dry Skin


EDIT: Just read supermarth's post. Back to scratch!
If Sunny Day is in effect, this Pokémon loses 12.5% HP each turn. If Rain Dance is in effect, this Pokémon heals 12.5% HP each turn. In addition, this Pokémon heals 25% HP when hit with a Water-type attack, but takes 25% extra damage from Fire-type attacks.

 

[CRASHiC]

The main way to get Toxicroack on the team is to abuse dry skin/life orb. If we were still using Manaphy, we could have given Manaphy Ice Beam to block out Latias allowing Toxicroak to set up.

 

[ss118]

OK I thought of something simple to make this much, much, much simpler!

Edited first post.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Pokemon: Manaphy
Tier: OverUsed
Reasoning: Manaphy, after Suspect voting 3-2, is a fresh new Water-type addition to the OU environment. Losing Kyogre as a partner hurts it a great deal, but that's something that can be remedied by placing him on Rain-themed teams. Base 100 stats all-around is no joke, and being able to shrug off status under the rain with Rest proves an extremely effective way of statting up with Tail Glow and sweeping. Manaphy's new face is a sure reason why she should be used. Her opponents won't know what to do with her versatility.

Pokemon: Gallade
Tier: UnderUsed
Reasoning: Gallade was an overlooked Pokemon in the 4th Generation due to it losing popularity with Heracross and Lucario. But Gallade does have selling points. One cannot miss his good Special Defense stat. Close Combat and Shadow Sneak provide full neutral coverage, power, and priority rolled up in 2 moves. Swords Dance can boost that sky-high Attack stat even higher, and Gallade has plenty of support moves in his arsenal. Often overlooked because of poor defenses, setting a bulkier Gallade being screens throws opponents off. Gallade was released back into UU, and should use his movepool effectively.

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

PM it to me, and after a couple of days I'll post a poll.

Also, Manaphy is either suspect or uber.

Gallade was fine though. I think UU might be pushing it, since it will be moving to BL soon.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Also, Manaphy is either suspect or uber.

Gallade was fine though. I think UU might be pushing it, since it will be moving to BL soon.

Whoops. Fail on my part, Articanus.
Do you still want me to PM it to you?

-Terywj

 

[DUB]

@ Terywj

We should of based it around a sweeping Ursaring. D'oh!

I'm suggesting Kingdra to join the team. Kingdra can take hits, set up the rain dance, benefit from it, and do decent damage with a nice typing.