Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Frostwraith]

I've long concluded that every fanbase is bad due to certain groups of vocal fans who take entertainment far too seriously for their own mental health.

This can be said of any fanbase.

The Smash fanbase? You have the elitist competitive players who look down upon anyone who doesn't play like them, you have the hardcore speculators that become whining babies when the games don't turn out the way they exactly wanted, the countless flame wars about which game is better, pro-Sakurai vs. anti-Sakurai people and so on.

The anime fanbase? Don't even get me started on this one. From horrid sub vs. dub debates to shipping wars to certain otaku whose behavior can only be described as "disturbing" and that's a mild term.

The Sonic fanbase? I don't need to elaborate on this one, do I?

That's just three out of my head as I'm frankly tired and I don't want to rant. My point is that every fandom has its share of unpleasant people.

Unfortunately, given the human nature of accentuating the negative, they are the ones who get more notice, creating stereotypes that perpetuate and used as excuses for people to attack each other on the Internet.

Truly saddening, but this constant exposure has made me more cynical in regards to most online communities. This said, there are good people out there too that are kind of a silent majority but you eventually come across them.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

http://projared.tumblr.com/post/131635733012/why-u-no-love-undertale-0 http://projared.tumblr.com/post/130798979607/have-you-played-undertale-yet-or-is-it-not-even-on
Damn. I wouldn't be surprised if Jared just caved so people would stop asking him

Undertale is far from the first fandom to suffer from crap like that. It might be more obscure elsewhere, but it's still there.

The problem is, it ISN'T obscure in the UT fanbase

Humantale is just one piece of fan art, I do not think that it would heavily affect the UT fandom.


Does he plan to do a walkthrough or just a review.

Most likely a review, I have been watching every LP on Super Gaming Brothers for quite a while, and there was no mention of it there

 

[Burruni]

Humantale is just one piece of fan art, I do not think that it would heavily affect the UT fandom.


Does he plan to do a walkthrough or just a review.

Review.

He's not going to go through the issues of the fandom for doing a walkthrough... he only does 'em on special occasions; really.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Undertale advertise itself with the multiple endings? If so, then the player who is unsatisfied will want more, and will end up playing the other endings, meaning they'll play more because they want to. I think that's what the UT fanbase is forgetting. They love the game because of their personal experience, not someone elses.

Look at humantale. It's not that they are human that makes it cringeworthy, it's that they've all been listed at ' gay transman' 'demisexual' and blablabla. They added arbitrary things for their headcanons, though I remember some characters are canonically LGBT

They even used gay transman Asgore as an excuse to do mpreg. That's just...crossing the line. (Apologies if this was inappropriate.)

Also, about the game itself, I can't help but think the unfinished hard mode

Spoiler

by naming the Fallen Child "Frisk" thus making Chara and Frisk one and the same and potentially bending the fabric of reality

could have had its own story. Maybe we'll get to see...the man who talks in hands?

 

[wedl!!]

Humantale is just one piece of fan art, I do not think that it would heavily affect the UT fandom.

It's the Sonichu of the Undertale fandom.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Humantale is just one piece of fan art, I do not think that it would heavily affect the UT fandom.


Does he plan to do a walkthrough or just a review.

Review.

I believe he's doing it after his Mother marathon, which will come after the Metal Gear marathon.

 

[Kingslime304]

Who is your favorite Disney Infinity character that you play as (And who is your main on that game)?

 

[Burruni]

The two biggest issues of the Undertale fandom are the following:

that almost literally any series that you see someone start for it; the most rabbid members of the community will be ON them to do true pacifist above all else. No matter how hard they may stress it is a blind playthrough and they want no help...

And then the more social extremists that scream the loudest. Humantale being the "face" of this issue.

There's certainly a lot of good if you dig for it.

Example

http://scotchtapeofficial.tumblr.com/tagged/swaptale/chrono

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Review.

I believe he's doing it after his Mother marathon, which will come after the Metal Gear marathon.

Johnny's got a tight schedule this year. He also said he's doing a Kirby marathon this year, and then there's the BSC and SGB stuff

 

[Deleted member]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Undertale advertise itself with the multiple endings? If so, then the player who is unsatisfied will want more, and will end up playing the other endings, meaning they'll play more because they want to. I think that's what the UT fanbase is forgetting. They love the game because of their personal experience, not someone elses.

Look at humantale. It's not that they are human that makes it cringeworthy, it's that they've all been listed at ' gay transman' 'demisexual' and blablabla. They added arbitrary things for their headcanons, though I remember some characters are canonically LGBT

The thing that pisses me the most about it is not even the whole "progressiviness" throat shoving or the words I still don't understand(seriously, what is a trans masc? Is it a trans man? I'm asking this becailuse I'm genuely confused and curious)
But more that HOW CAN ****ING ASGORE BE GAY? HOW CAN YOU ****ING CONTRADICT CANON?
If someone had a headcanon that Undyne is straight, they'd be hunted down

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Johnny's got a tight schedule this year. He also said he's doing a Kirby marathon this year, and then there's the BSC and SGB stuff

There's also the StarFox marathon (personally looking forward to that).

 

[Coricus]

I heard some where that the obnoxiousness of a fandom is on a bell curve in relation to popularity

Nameley fanbases are at their worst when there's enough fans to raise a stink but not enough to dampen said stink.

Fans of Star Wars: Near everybody
Fans of my comic: They're all cool people, all 100 or so of them

Undertale, Steven Universe, Sonic the Hedgehog... That's where the problems lie.

See, I read that trope too and this very fandom is the first thing that popped into my head when I read it.

Most of the bitter broken base seems to want to get off of the bell curve by scaring everyone else that's not themselves away, while I just wish Nintendo would push Smash hard enough that it would swell into a decent fandom.

Honestly, everything I like is on various high points of bell curves and combined with my already hypersensitive attitude I will take offense to nearly ANYTHING that reminds me of the directs results of said bell curves.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

The thing that pisses me the most about it is not even the whole "progressiviness" throat shoving or the words I still don't understand(seriously, what is a trans masc? Is it a trans man? I'm asking this becailuse I'm genuely confused and curious)
But more that HOW CAN ****ING ASGORE BE GAY? HOW CAN YOU ****ING CONTRADICT CANON?
If someone had a headcanon that Undyne is straight, they'd be hunted down

Trans masc = trans masculine apparently without being fully transman. It's some demiboy thing or something idk

The Asgore thing hurts my brain especially since they made Toriel a transwoman (what even is andoromantic?) I don't think a gay man would be attracted to anyone who identifies as a woman, privates aside. (Some cis gay men are open to pre-surgery transmen though while some aren't, and the flipside applies to lesbians/transwomen.)

Also, why is Toriel wearing a hijab

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The thing that pisses me the most about it is not even the whole "progressiviness" throat shoving or the words I still don't understand(seriously, what is a trans masc? Is it a trans man? I'm asking this becailuse I'm genuely confused and curious)
But more that HOW CAN ****ING ASGORE BE GAY? HOW CAN YOU ****ING CONTRADICT CANON?
If someone had a headcanon that Undyne is straight, they'd be hunted down

I'm all for being progressiveness, hell, the sooner a bi transwoman like me stops reeking of controversy anywhere, the better. But don't shove it down throats. It just feels tacky to me that way. Case and point, Gen Zed. I remember Shovel Knight's gay character with Propeller Knight easily. Why? It didn't need to be there, but was there anyway

 

[Luigi The President]

Undertale fandom's pretty pretty bad, don't remind me of the Sans Audio Posts

 

[Champ Gold]

Johnny's got a tight schedule this year. He also said he's doing a Kirby marathon this year, and then there's the BSC and SGB stuff

Thing is, it gets easier when Metal Gear Solid 4 is finish which will be his longest review (yes, it'll beat out Sonic 06) and right when he finishes Mother 3.

Star Fox aren't long games and the only one which will frustrate him is Adventures and everything else is pretty easily done.

Plus he's going back to do Pokemon again, the 25th Anniversary games for Sonic, the 3D Zeldas with Zelda Wii U which will be in the Q4 of 2016

 

[Luigi The President]

The thing that pisses me the most about it is not even the whole "progressiviness" throat shoving or the words I still don't understand(seriously, what is a trans masc? Is it a trans man? I'm asking this becailuse I'm genuely confused and curious)
But more that HOW CAN ****ING ASGORE BE GAY? HOW CAN YOU ****ING CONTRADICT CANON?
If someone had a headcanon that Undyne is straight, they'd be hunted down

Haven't played Undertale, know a lot about it.

Not commenting on the rest of your post, but Undyne being straight also contradicts canon.

 

[BluePikmin11]

And then the more social extremists that scream the loudest. Humantale being the "face" of this issue.

There's certainly a lot of good if you dig for it.

Example

http://scotchtapeofficial.tumblr.com/tagged/swaptale/chrono

Humantale isn't something a first timer of Undertale would care about until they played through the game themselves. Not a big problem of the fandom imo.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Undertale arguments? Eh...

I think it's time for Swamp himself to make a grand appearance!

It's actually just a swamp monster. I took more creative liberties with this one with the tree aesthetic.

 

[Burruni]

Humantale isn't something a first timer of Undertale would care about until they played through the game themselves.

Never said that.
I meant the two as separate issues.
The aggressiveness of fans for people getting INTO the series in how they just HAVE to play that makes the game unapproachable.

And then the vocal minority behind things LIKE Humantale that further sours the opinion of the fanbase.

It's like FNAF porn, in that respect.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Thing is, it gets easier when Metal Gear Solid 4 is finish which will be his longest review (yes, it'll beat out Sonic 06) and right when he finishes Mother 3.

Star Fox aren't long games and the only one which will frustrate him is Adventures and everything else is pretty easily done.

Plus he's going back to do Pokemon again, the 25th Anniversary games for Sonic, the 3D Zeldas with Zelda Wii U which will be in the Q4 of 2016

Speaking of Star Fox. I ****ing hate the BSC LP of Assault. Ryan was bashing the game being repetitive. What does he do? Only ever use the ****ing Blaster, the weakest weapon in the game. The game gives you more than enough ammo for the other weapons that are much stronger. I've never played a Star Fox game, and even I could call bull****

Undertale arguments? Eh...

I think it's time for Swamp himself to make a grand appearance!

It's actually just a swamp monster. I took more creative liberties with this one with the tree aesthetic.

It reminds me of a Digimon for some reason

 

[Luigi The President]

Are you guys really arguing over Humantale? I'm pretty sure Humantale is just headcanons for what the Undertale characters would look like as humans?

 

[A Distant Demon]

SMRPG is like Xenoblade Chronicles.
You really only use 3 party members.

Based on the fact I used 5. . .I need to know who your 3 is.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm all for being progressiveness, hell, the sooner a bi transwoman like me stops reeking of controversy anywhere, the better. But don't shove it down throats. It just feels tacky to me that way. Case and point, Gen Zed.

Undertale fandom's pretty pretty bad, don't remind me of the Sans Audio Posts

[screeches]
LET US NEVER SPEAK OF THOSE ABOMINATIONS AGAIN.

Anyway, I think we should probably conclude this and I'm compelled to agree with Frost that pretty much all fandoms have their vocal nutcases, some of which actually threaten the well being of other innocent fans (Zamii being an example, truly awful what happened to her). Fandoms were supposed to be fun, that meaning however has been lost long ago.

Also, if you love something, I cannot stress this enough, avoid its Tumblr fandom. I've been harassed for shipping the canon straight pairings in a video game cause Tumblrinas insisted the male characters in the pairings were 110% gay when they were anything but.

In other news...I think I didn't heat my dinner enough and I'm probably gonna be sick.

 

[Deleted member]

Trans masc = trans masculine apparently without being fully transman. It's some demiboy thing or something idk

The Asgore thing hurts my brain especially since they made Toriel a transwoman (what even is andoromantic?) I don't think a gay man would be attracted to anyone who identifies as a woman, privates aside. (Some cis gay men are open to pre-surgery transmen though while some aren't, and the flipside applies to lesbians/transwomen.)

Also, why is Toriel wearing a hijab

What? I'm just more confused
What even is a demiboy? Is it half demon?

I'm gonna go to hell for this but
Toriel wears a hijab because she uses fire magic
I'm so sorry
But I'm a terrible person
At least I don't take credit for this
Someone replied to the same question you made with this
Please kill me

I'm all for being progressiveness, hell, the sooner a bi transwoman like me stops reeking of controversy anywhere, the better. But don't shove it down throats. It just feels tacky to me that way. Case and point, Gen Zed. I remember Shovel Knight's gay character with Propeller Knight easily. Why? It didn't need to be there, but was there anyway

>Gen Zed
Thank you for reminding me of this beautiful piece of work that will inspire the new generations

Haven't played Undertale, know a lot about it.

Not commenting on the rest of your post, but Undyne being straight also contradicts canon.

Uh, yeah, I know that
That's why I used it as an example
Because having Asgore as a gay man is fine because progressiveness
Undyne as straight is a no-no though
Both are stupid anyways

 

[Burruni]

Based on the fact I used 5. . .I need to know who your 3 is.

I mean.
For anything too serious.
Shulk because Monado OP.
Reyn because aggro control.
And Sharla SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAL.

Dunban & Fiora took the place of "DPS" when not needing the Monado.

Riki & Melia... I TRIED using but they never felt too useful in synergy.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

[screeches]
LET US NEVER SPEAK OF THOSE ABOMINATIONS AGAIN.

Anyway, I think we should probably conclude this and I'm compelled to agree with Frost that pretty much all fandoms have their vocal nutcases, some of which actually threaten the well being of other innocent fans (Zamii being an example, truly awful what happened to her). Fandoms were supposed to be fun, that meaning however has been lost long ago.

Also, if you love something, I cannot stress this enough, avoid its Tumblr fandom. I've been harassed for shipping the canon straight pairings in a video game cause Tumblrinas insisted the male characters in the pairings were 110% gay when they were anything but.

In other news...I think I didn't heat my dinner enough and I'm probably gonna be sick.

Oddly enough, the Xenoblade Tumblr fandom seems pretty chill, with this one chick making comics of her playthrough. She does complain about the female characters being meh and Fiora feeling like she was fridged, but it wasn't because they were female
Hope you don't get sick

 

[BluePikmin11]

What are those sans audio posts, I wanna check it out.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Undertale's bad half of the fanbase is ridiculously loud. See the youtube fanbase and the part that got all . . .gross

I mean.
For anything too serious.
Shulk because Monado OP.
Reyn because aggro control.
And Sharla SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAL.

Dunban & Fiora took the place of "DPS" when not needing the Monado.

Riki & Melia... I TRIED using but they never felt too useful in synergy.

You didn't use Melia?
Dead to me.

Spoiler

I used Shulk/Melia/Reyn and was able to live on just Light Heal until

Spoiler

that ****** lorithia

where I changed to Melia/Riki/Sharla because Ether resistance

Sharla is also the worst character tin the game character wise : )

 

[Burruni]

Oddly enough, the Xenoblade Tumblr fandom seems pretty chill, with this one chick making comics of her playthrough. She does complain about the female characters being meh and Fiora feeling like she was fridged, but it wasn't because they were female
Hope you don't get sick

You need to see this.

http://xenobladeproblems.tumblr.com/

Edit:

You didn't use Melia?
Dead to me.

Spoiler

I used Shulk/Melia/Reyn and was able to live on just Light Heal until

Spoiler

that ****** lorithia

where I changed to Melia/Riki/Sharla because Ether resistance

Sharla is also the worst character tin the game character wise : )

I used Melia for anything that required "stealth" because of abusage of AI and her range.
IF I HAD THE POWERS
My team full game would be Fiora/Riki/Melia.
But it just didn't work for me.
Also Dunban's the weakest character. Sharla is basically Lulu from FFX all over again.

Double Edit: Melia also took down the only superboss I actually fought because Starlight Kick is glorious.

 

[Coricus]

I've long concluded that every fanbase is bad due to certain groups of vocal fans who take entertainment far too seriously for their own mental health.

This can be said of any fanbase.

The Smash fanbase? You have the elitist competitive players who look down upon anyone who doesn't play like them, you have the hardcore speculators that become whining babies when the games don't turn out the way they exactly wanted, the countless flame wars about which game is better, pro-Sakurai vs. anti-Sakurai people and so on.

The anime fanbase? Don't even get me started on this one. From horrid sub vs. dub debates to shipping wars to certain otaku whose behavior can only be described as "disturbing" and that's a mild term.

The Sonic fanbase? I don't need to elaborate on this one, do I?

That's just three out of my head as I'm frankly tired and I don't want to rant. My point is that every fandom has its share of unpleasant people.

Unfortunately, given the human nature of accentuating the negative, they are the ones who get more notice, creating stereotypes that perpetuate and used as excuses for people to attack each other on the Internet.

Truly saddening, but this constant exposure has made me more cynical in regards to most online communities. This said, there are good people out there too that are kind of a silent majority but you eventually come across them.

Sometimes I wish the silent majority wasn't so silent.

It'd make things a whole lot more peaceful.

It's not just that the negative groups get more notice, although that's most definitely true. The silent majority is just too silent for anyone's good. Just look at the number of guests and completely quiet members in most active threads. One has to wonder just how different the fandom would be if they actually spoke up more often.

Then again, perhaps that view, too, is far too optimistic. Most humans are as a general rule pretty intolerant and obnoxious, myself included, and are simply to wound up in their own ego to realize it.

Still, it's better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all. *points to unseen crowd* Perhaps one of you guests over there could sign up and join in a bit? For science?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oddly enough, the Xenoblade Tumblr fandom seems pretty chill, with this one chick making comics of her playthrough. She does complain about the female characters being meh and Fiora feeling like she was fridged, but it wasn't because they were female
Hope you don't get sick

I remember this one "Xenoblade is sexist" rant about how like, there are no female characters in the first 15 minutes (Mechonis counts as one I'm sure?), the clothing for the women (when the men can show skin too), and my favorite [/sarcasm] buzzword, "heteronormative" (aka what my harassers said when I didn't ship the yaoiz in another game)

What are those sans audio posts, I wanna check it out.

don't
save yourself Blue
those audio bytes were not meant for the ears of mortals
(But really it's just disgusting)

I mean.
For anything too serious.
Shulk because Monado OP.
Reyn because aggro control.
And Sharla SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAL.

Dunban & Fiora took the place of "DPS" when not needing the Monado.

Riki & Melia... I TRIED using but they never felt too useful in synergy.

Riki + laying every debuff art on an enemy + Say Sorry = too OP pls nerf

Melia...it's best you control her and never leave her to the AI. The Elements give buffs when you hold on to them and cause (in the case of Fire/Earth/Ice) the Blaze/Poison/Chill debuffs respectively when discharging. Stack em all on at once and it can make easy work of enemies

 

[ChikoLad]

I mean.
For anything too serious.
Shulk because Monado OP.
Reyn because aggro control.
And Sharla SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAL.

Dunban & Fiora took the place of "DPS" when not needing the Monado.

Riki & Melia... I TRIED using but they never felt too useful in synergy.

Riki is arguably the best party member for support. Not so much for a player but great for support.

He has the most HP, has a fairly potent healing move that can heal everyone at once, can refill the party gauge, etc, etc. He has so many good buffs and status aliments.

Melia is the opposite, her AI is utter garbage but she has powerful magic attacks if you prefer attacking from a distance, some of which double as healing or buffs. Also Starlight Kick is a great attack. She's basically your go to against enemies where Ether attacks are better and due to her AI you pretty much have to play as her yourself in those situations.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You need to see this.

http://xenobladeproblems.tumblr.com/

Edit:


I used Melia for anything that required "stealth" because of abusage of AI and her range.
IF I HAD THE POWERS
My team full game would be Fiora/Riki/Melia.
But it just didn't work for me.
Also Dunban's the weakest character. Sharla is basically Lulu from FFX all over again.

Double Edit: Melia also took down the only superboss I actually fought because Starlight Kick is glorious.

not too shabby. Only bad thing of Xenoblade's fanbase seems to be the people who cry about Lin's change
To quote that Xenoblade comic on your characters,
Shulk: Riki, show us your arts
Riki: *shows arts* That all Riki know for know
Shulk: ****...Those were all...REALLY GOOD!

 

[Burruni]

I remember this one "Xenoblade is sexist" rant about how like, there are no female characters in the first 15 minutes (Mechonis counts as one I'm sure?), the clothing for the women (when the men can show skin too), and my favorite [/sarcasm] buzzword, "heteronormative" (aka what my harassers said when I didn't ship the yaoiz in another game)


don't
save yourself Blue
those audio bytes were not meant for the ears of mortals
(But really it's just disgusting)


Riki + laying every debuff art on an enemy + Say Sorry = too OP pls nerf

Melia...it's best you control her and never leave her to the AI. The Elements give buffs when you hold on to them and cause (in the case of Fire/Earth/Ice) the Blaze/Poison/Chill debuffs respectively. Stack em all on at once and it can make easy work of enemies

Riki is arguably the best party member for support. Not so much for a player but great for support.

He has the most HP, has a fairly potent healing move that can heal everyone at once, can refill the party gauge, etc, etc. He has so many good buffs and status aliments.

Melia is the opposite, her AI is utter garbage but she has powerful magic attacks if you prefer attacking from a distance, some of which double as healing or buffs. Also Starlight Kick is a great attack. She's basically your go to against enemies where Ether attacks are better and due to her AI you pretty much have to play as her yourself in those situations.

Thank you for the tips.
But I have also beaten the game with every non-variance quest complete, all heart-to-hearts, everyone at Lv99 and 100% collectipedia.
I'm not going back.

 

[Deleted member]

Relevant

avoid its Tumblr fandom

I dunno, the EO fanbase looks good

I just wanted an excuse to post this tbh

 

[wedl!!]

What are those sans audio posts, I wanna check it out.

They're Sans enacting both a dominant and submissive role in a BDSM relationship with the listener as his partner. Your life would be better off without ever hearing them.

 

[Burruni]

Relevant
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I dunno, the EO fanbase looks good
View attachment 91665
I just wanted an excuse to post this tbh

I can't hear that name witout thinking of

And that makes the post all the better.

 

[A Distant Demon]

You need to see this.

http://xenobladeproblems.tumblr.com/

Edit:


I used Melia for anything that required "stealth" because of abusage of AI and her range.
IF I HAD THE POWERS
My team full game would be Fiora/Riki/Melia.
But it just didn't work for me.
Also Dunban's the weakest character. Sharla is basically Lulu from FFX all over again.

Double Edit: Melia also took down the only superboss I actually fought because Starlight Kick is glorious.

And now i'm sad AND contemplative

WHERE IS COLONY 4!
WHY IS *acid pit we all hate* SO ENTICING!
WHY DOES MELIA'S FATE MAKE ME SO SAD

 

[BluePikmin11]

They're Sans enacting both a dominant and submissive role in a BDSM relationship with the listener as his partner. Your life would be better off without ever hearing them.

Please PM me the link please!

I'm dying to know now that you guys acknowledged it!