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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

Should we add a poll to the thread?


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Reading/watching some reviews on Kung-Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends, it sounds pretty interesting. They say Smash players will see similarities but the biggest complaints include the insultingly tiny amount of content and AI are dumb as rocks.

For a game made to go with the upcoming Kung-Fu Panda 3 film, I'm actually shocked it includes both online mode and upcoming DLC.

I'll still pick up but I'll wait until it drops to $20 on the Nintendo eShop (like all games Little Orbit published have done in the past).
 

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Time to go through the responses. Note I picked these basically at random

Allow me to present Lunara

Lunara is in an odd place in Warcraft lore, she is the daughter of Cenarius who was a hero unit in Warcraft 3. She is vaguely mentioned to exist ("his daughter") but there was no mention of her existence before. So she is half a new character but is derived from Warcraft lore. You may say she is a nobody, but this hasn't stopped her from popping up in almost every game I play of Heroes. People are not shying away from this character despite her being a nobody. In fact, Heroes of the Storm features over 20 Warcraft characters. So obviously that means there will be some vague and obscure characters in the mix, but this isn't stopping people from enjoying them. By focusing on a few series, the designers are able to create more interesting characters.

I'd argue that the third party characters are more boring. If you have only the biggest names, it gets dull. Smash has been interesting because you have big names and some more obscure ones. Look at say Jiggglypuff. People love her despite being an obscure choice. But by focusing so much on third party characters, you can never have a character like Jigglypuff again. It has to be the big names, and, again, its that Sakurai is scared that people will not like lesser Nintendo characters. Lunara throws this out the window. As does Valla. As does Sgt Hammer. As does Lt Moralas. The issue is Sakurai is not embracing Nintendo's lore, but Heroes is doing well because it is embracing and celebrating the lore. Blizzard doesn't care if they do something a little out there because you still have Jania, Raynor, Diablo and so on. Smash will always have Mario, Link. and Pikachu.

To close, let's look at Zelda. Folks have complained that there aren't enough characters, but that is a direct result of Sakurai being afraid of Nintendo lore. Hyrule Warriors showed that people do like these other Zelda characters. Midna and Darunia were both is titles that sold over 7 million, more than any one Fire Emblem game. So is there an issue with having them in Smash. The only issue is Sakurai not thinking folks will recognize them.


I discussed this a bit in A Return to Form, but the series will likely have to go back. The next game will have to have cuts and there is no way that Nintendo can bring all 6 of the third party characters back. It also become more work to add more and more to these characters and fans are getting more and more frustrating with the number of guest characters. There is going back, and it makes the most sense given everything.


Major flaw with your reasoning: people are not going to buy this game for one character. If they don't like Nintendo, they will not like Smash. Also, keep in mind most everyone is here for Nintendo. I would even wager to say you are Nintendo fans.

Also, why would a Nintendo character not be fun?

Same issue: if you don't like Nintendo, you wont like Smash. I understand you and a friend got in for one character, but when you have a game with 49 Nintendo characters, you probably like Nintendo.
You DO realize there's a difference between 'not liking Nintendo' and 'being indifferent towards Nintendo', right? The third parties DO increase the amount of fans, how many MGS fans got Brawl because of Snake? You have an incredibly different thought process than others, you don't get to pretend you know what people think
'Also, why would a Nintendo character not be fun?' It's not who the character is, but their playstyle that determines whether they are fun or not. Not to mention you aren't arguing against the fact that most third party characters were, I don't know, HIGHLY REQUESTED BY SMASH FANS! Snake and Ryu are easily the only exceptions, but they were praised in Smash regardless
 

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NintenZ NintenZ I think Corrin can be considered fanservice as loads of people are hyped for Fates and because how much Japan loved it. Hell, from what I hear, Japan's only salty because Bayonetta was picked as she wasn't a Japanese pick
Yes, that's the reason why they're salty, as they got no ballot recognition whatsoever.
 

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I remember last time I joined the hunger games
I tripped on a tree root and then left.
Didn't even die, and no signs of me since the day I fell on my face
I just sorta left
I had to go, my people needed me
 

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Yes, that's the reason why they're salty, as they got no ballot recognition whatsoever.
I don't think that's entirely true, as Cloud and Corrin are rather popular there as characters iirc.
Also some ****boi spoiled Star Wars 7 and because I'm salty I'm sharing the spoiler with everyone here
There was a problem fetching the tweet
 

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I don't think that's entirely true, as Cloud and Corrin are rather popular there as characters iirc.
Also some ****boi spoiled Star Wars 7 and because I'm salty I'm sharing the spoiler with everyone here
There was a problem fetching the tweet
Those weren't ballot characters though... :/
 
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Those weren't ballot characters though... :/
Are these people you saw the general audience? As Bayonetta still has quite a few salty people on this site despite winning the ballot
I remember last time I joined the hunger games
I tripped on a tree root and then left.
Didn't even die, and no signs of me since the day I fell on my face
I just sorta left
I had to go, my people needed me
You were probably looking for a mall santa
 

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Day 3. Swamp Sensei Swamp Sensei kills DaybreakHorizon DaybreakHorizon literally stabbing him in the back. @Zebei is killed by @zoroark25 while @Kenith and @sonicbrawler182 is killed by an infection
It was a good run @Zebei. We tried so hard, to lose it all. But in the end, it doesn't even matter.

Not much happens during day 4/the feast. @Shroob is killed by naoshi. @Luigi The President kills @zoroark25 while Swamp Sensei Swamp Sensei drowns
KARMA.
 
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Honestly, I was prepared for the possibility of a character that was not in the top fan results that can be seen on all corners of the internet. After all, we have no proof if the official results were the same as the public internet ones (Not everyone on the internet regularly visits big Smash sites or take part in polls).
 
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If there's two things to take from the Ballot, it's this: We are the minority and online polls are jank.
  • None of the veteran characters managed to crack the top 5 in the NA and EU polls. Wolf was not a Shoo-in
  • Isaac, K.Rool, Inklings, Waluigi, Toad, and all of the other "popular" first party characters all had less votes than Bayonetta in EU, and likely did not crack top 5 in NA.
  • Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman, and Banjo Kazooie did not crack top 5 anywhere. The devs of all of these characters expressed desire to work with Nintendo to add their characters in the game. This means they must've been negotiable characters, and there's no reason to believe they weren't realizable. This means the only reason they didn't make it was because they simply did not have the votes. Bayonetta beat them out in both EU and NA, and very likely in Japan as well.
 
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You were probably looking for a mall santa
I dunno
Every time I went in beforehand was just
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After sleeping for like 6 Hunger Games, I tripped in one of them and just left
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If there's two things to take from the Ballot, it's this: We are the minority and online polls are jank.
  • None of the veteran characters managed to crack the top 5 in the NA and EU polls. Wolf was not a Shoo-in
  • Isaac, K.Rool, Inklings, Waluigi, Toad, and all of the other "popular" first party characters all had less votes than Bayonetta in EU, and likely did not crack top 5 in NA.
  • Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman, and Banjo Kazooie did not crack top 5 anywhere. The devs of all of these characters expressed desire to work with Nintendo to add their characters in the game. This means they must've been negotiable characters, and there's no reason to believe they weren't realizable. This means the only reason they didn't make it was because they simply did not have the votes. Bayonetta beat them out in both EU and NA, and very likely in Japan as well.
This is not necessarily true. We don't know who the top five for NA were.
 

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