Super Smash Master's Roster Predictions: AKA The Best Roster Ever (Updated 10/12).

[Super Smash Master]

Erruption makes a big explosion of fire. Roy's B makes a big explosion of fire.

And they most likely made Ike's Up-B so he could possibly grab the ledge when jumping up to get his sword to help in recovery. It gives him more height when doing the attack.

It's just what I think. I don't really care if my main returns or not, because I know I will find someone I like better. I love Marth as a fighter, but he is a completely homosexual. So I don't care if he returns or not.

But hey, I could be wrong. We shall see.

I do remember seeing a screenshot of Ike doing Marth's counter move (Oh how I love that movie =P). I also think many of his A attacks they showed look just like Marth's.

 

[Bassoonist]

So basically your roster is decided by your biased opinions?

I'm happy you have Isaac there... but your reasoning for some of the other characters seems to be biased.

Marth is a homosexual? *sighs* Even if he was I don't see how this has anything to do with Marth's chances.

 

[Enigma14]

I side with SSM on Marth not returning, because why would you want him back, when we have Ike? Do you really want 2 swordsmen who can do the same thing? Sure both Marth and Roy were in SSBM, but Roy was being used as a advertisment for his game, which sucked stat wise, and Marth was popular just because he was in 2 games and his character was liked. However now we have a lord that everyone can identify/reconize, Ike, cause his game was released here.

Also Ike will be in the new game releasing in Novemeber. So like Marth, 2 games. Like Marth blue haired swordsmen. Like Marth the main character. Like Marth....do i need to go on?

 

[freeman123]

Why do people always feel the need to post pictures of all the characters that we already know about? BTW, they're not going to cut Falco for Krystal. That's like putting Dixie in over Diddy.

 

[Bassoonist]

Also Ike will be in the new game releasing in Novemeber. So like Marth, 2 games. Like Marth blue haired swordsmen. Like Marth the main character. Like Marth....do i need to go on?

Yes you do, because what you listed above doesn't mean that they can't be differentiated. Mario and Luigi look alike! Do you want Luigi to leave because he looks alike?

You're underestimating Sakurai's ability to differentiate characters if he wants.

 

[Enigma14]

Yes you do, because what you listed above doesn't mean that they can't be differentiated. Mario and Luigi look alike! Do you want Luigi to leave because he looks alike?

You're underestimating Sakurai's ability to differentiate characters if he wants.

amn...Touché

 

[raphtmarqui]

Mario and Luigi look alike! Do you want Luigi to leave because he looks alike?

Wow, good point

 

[StarIceRaptor]

As long as Ridley, Wolf, and DeDeDe are in, I'm good.

Too bad Wolf doesn't have as high of a chance as Krystal does since he certainly deserves to be in more than her.

 

[TheSpindoctor]

IT would be sick if Olimar was in and used the pickmin to attack instead of attacking himself!

 

[Zubyyyy]

Okay, I don't mean to be arrogant but I think my roster is probably the best and most logical around.

Too late. Anyway, you list is NOT the most logical around. I will get back to you on this, because I have to do my homework, but when I get back, I'll poke some holes in your arguements. As for now, Wind Waker Link would have an entirely different moveset than regular Link and you would know this if you played games with him in it.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Nobody's list is really based on logic. I always have large representation for Pokemon on my prediction roster because I'm a PokeFreak. Some people put four StarFox characters on their roster. Some have three FE characters. It all boils down to bias.
Major props for Olimar. Also for Sukapon, who I have now decided to arbitrarily support 'cause he looks adorable.
My biggest quibbles would have to be Ray, Demiru, and low number of reps for the Big 3 (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon).
The list has too many Japan-only characters, when Sakurai said he wouldn't include very many. Your list has four. I would include only Sukapon and Lucas, maybe Takamaru.
Demiru is both recent, obscure, and Japanese-only. VERY low chances.
I don't buy the argument that Pokemon Trainer combined with Ice Climbers means Lucario has no chance. That relies on a string of logically weak assumptions.
While PT is in effect three characters development-wise, in terms of the character selection screen, he's 1 character. We're really arguing over how many Pokemon reps. should appear on the character selection screen. There were 4 in Melee. Logically, there should be 5 in Brawl. Also, the returning character assumption is flawed in that it assumes more about the Ice Climbers returning than is necessarily true. The Ice Climbers represent a franchise (though actually only one game, but the point remains). Mewtwo is a secondary rep of Pokemon. What Ice Climbers does show us is that Game & Watch will be back.

 

[Super Smash Master]

I would like to note that the only japan-only characters on my poll were represented more than once on the poll. Sukapon and Demiru are in the same boat. Both requested twice. I would actually call Sukapon more obscure than Demiru, because Joy Mech Fight was a retro game when Demiru was more recent.

 

[Bassoonist]

Nobody's list is really based on logic.

That is true... However you can't leave characters out of your list because you don't like them.

If I made a list based on that Geno, Sonic, Bowser Jr., and others would not be on there.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Marth & Roy- Ike seems to be a combination of both their movesets. They are Japan only. It is pointless to have characters from a Japan-Only rendition of a franchise when there is one now overseas. And now Ike is obviously the main face of the series in Smash. In Marth's case, we don't need two blue haired swordsmen when there are more interesting and different characters to choose from.

Other predictions are pretty reasonable, but not this, this phails, badly.

I can see why you might think this, but it's born of Americentralism, and Nintendo is a Japanese country, catering more to Japanese players then American ones.

Because of this, Marth's relative obscurity in America therefore means little, he is a Japanese cultural icon, and the foundational lord of the series. Leaving him out while having other characters from the series would be akin to leaving out Mario but keeping Peach.

Ok, not quite that unlikely, but among Japanese Fire Emblem players (and Americans who have been playing FE since before it came state-side), Marth has the same visibility that Mario has among Nintendo players in general.

Not that it couldn't happen, just like they could've dropped Mario, but it's highly unlikely that Marth is gonna be dropped.




For the same reason, Ness being dropped off is unlikely, but he lacks that level of visibility, so it's nowhere near as unlikely.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

I would actually call Sukapon more obscure than Demiru, because Joy Mech Fight was a retro game when Demiru was more recent.

In a contest between an obscure retro character and an obscure recent character, retro wins. Sukapon represents Retro. Demiru has nothing.
Oh, and the poll's importance is overblown.

 

[Eight Sage]

Okay, I don't mean to be arrogant but I think my roster is probably the best and most logical around.

this list makes WiseGuy looks like Sakurai

Simon Belmont- We don't need two Konami reps.

???

Give me a valid reason for that comment.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

this list makes WiseGuy looks like Sakurai



???

Give me a valid reason for that comment.

Because this isn't Smash Bros: Nintendo Vs. Konami...and Simon has to beat out 3 people better to get in

 

[WarxePB]

I'm not so much angered at the roster, as it seems logical. However, the "best roster ever" and assertions that Marth won't make it back in are nothing more than overblown arrogance. We can't be sure that any characters save for the confirmed ones are returning; it's good to defend a point, but it's foolish to say something for sure when we simply don't know.
For all we know, Marth's going to come back wearing a dress and wielding a rocket launcher. And though there's little to no chance that it's going to happen, it's no less true than saying that he won't come back at all.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Better than Wiseguy's list, at least.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I side with SSM on Marth not returning, because why would you want him back, when we have Ike? Do you really want 2 swordsmen who can do the same thing? Sure both Marth and Roy were in SSBM, but Roy was being used as a advertisment for his game, which sucked stat wise, and Marth was popular just because he was in 2 games and his character was liked. However now we have a lord that everyone can identify/reconize, Ike, cause his game was released here.

Also Ike will be in the new game releasing in Novemeber. So like Marth, 2 games. Like Marth blue haired swordsmen. Like Marth the main character. Like Marth....do i need to go on?

That doesn't mean squat, and SSM is biased on some of these choices. When it comes down to it because Marth has a sword doesn't mean he should be taken out. sakurai doesn't look for the popular or the cool, he looks for the interesting and the relevant. Marth is forerunner of any FE character and thereby is relevant. And eruption is completely different from Marth's shield breaker. With Ike you charge range. With Marth you charge power. Plus it's easy to tell Ike is heavier than Marth by much (because of that blade). The swor doesn't make the character, it's the moves.

And finally Marth is what brought FE's popularity into North America. Marth is reconized just as well as Ike and with Sakurai being minimalist in his character removals (he brought back Ice climbers people) I don't think he's just rid Marth so easily (otherwise Ike would have had the exact moves as Marth).

Better than Wiseguy's list, at least.

I take offense to that. I might have agreed a while back before Wiseguys revision, but look at his list now. He really has thought out his list and was willing to go past the criticism to make a more probable roster. I having my own probable roster know how it can feel getting pounding upon pounding of negative comments. It's being able to satnd back up and accept the criticism that makes you strong. Think aboutr that before glorifying this noobish roster over it.

 

[Zevox]

Erruption makes a big explosion of fire. Roy's B makes a big explosion of fire.

You're grossly over-generalizing. Roy's Flare Sword is a simple sword-swing unless charged very high, in which case it is accompanied by an explosion. Ike's Eruption causes magma to burst up from the earth and travel in a line before him, which is nothing akin to a normal explosion.

And they most likely made Ike's Up-B so he could possibly grab the ledge when jumping up to get his sword to help in recovery. It gives him more height when doing the attack.

No - they made Ike's up-B Aether because its an actual move from his games. Aether is a special move he can learn in which he does almost exactly what they have him doing in Brawl - they added the initial throw and changed exactly when the strokes happen, but the concept is identical. Ike's moves are nothing alike unto Marth and Roy's, they are created uniquely for him.

I do remember seeing a screenshot of Ike doing Marth's counter move (Oh how I love that movie =P). I also think many of his A attacks they showed look just like Marth's.

On the former, I don't - if you could provide the image, that would be nice. On the latter, I already addressed that - of course their A moves will look similar in freeze-frames, because theres only so many ways to slash and stab foes with swords, and the differences are only truly noticeable when you see them in motion.

I love Marth as a fighter, but he is a completely homosexual.

...I cannot think of words to describe how inane this statement is that would not get me a prompt disciplining by the mods.

I side with SSM on Marth not returning, because why would you want him back, when we have Ike?

Perhaps because hes the face of Fire Emblem? The first of its Lords, the character who started the series? One of the most popular characters of the series? A veteran character with many fans of his Melee appearance? He has every possible reason a Fire Emblem character could have to be in Brawl. Were Ike not already confirmed, it would be completely accurate to say hes a more likely Fire Emblem representative than Ike.

Do you really want 2 swordsmen who can do the same thing?

The same thing? Why on earth would they do the same thing? Theres no more need for the two of them to be clones than there is for Link and Ike to be clones. Marth a lithe, speedy swordsman who wields a light, single-handed blade, while Ike is a more heavily built swordsman who wields a two-handed blade. Even in the FE games, Ike's sword style is unique, taught to him by his father, who was a legendary swordsman; the only other character in existence who knows his fighting style is the Black Knight, who was also taught by his father. Theres no reason Marth would be identical to him.

Sure both Marth and Roy were in SSBM, but Roy was being used as a advertisment for his game, which sucked stat wise, and Marth was popular just because he was in 2 games and his character was liked. However now we have a lord that everyone can identify/reconize, Ike, cause his game was released here.

Are you seriously suggesting Ike be the only Fire Emblem character in Brawl? Thats just ridiculous. Its huge popularity in Japan and importance to Nintendo (it created the tactical RPG genre amongst video games) got it two characters in Melee, something which otherwise only Star Fox and the "big 3" (Mario/Zelda/Pokèmon) can claim. That right there should tell you something. Its a huge and popular franchise as Nintendo ones go, so theres no way it'll end up with less representatives in Brawl than in Melee - if anything, the fact that it has now been released outside Japan and has moderate popularity internationally makes it likely for it to have 3 representatives.

Also Ike will be in the new game releasing in Novemeber. So like Marth, 2 games. Like Marth blue haired swordsmen. Like Marth the main character. Like Marth....do i need to go on?

Being in two games is exactly one of the reasons both are strong candidates for Brawl. Their appearance is utterly irrelevant. Of course both are main characters - Fire Emblem has new main characters in almost every game, so the only ones of the series with any chance of being in Brawl must have been exactly that. Feel free to go on, I can keep shooting down irrelevancies and poor logic as long as you can come up with them.

Zevox

 

[Algus Underdunk]

Uhm... I have to point out that Lucas is not a guy in a helmet with a beam sword.

That would be his brother, Claus.

Lucas is, for the most part, the spitting image of Ness in terms of appearance and fighting style, albeit with blonde hair and no hat.

But seriously, after playing through all three Mother games, Ninten, Ness and Lucas are fairly interchangable. It would be nice to see Ninten and Lucas as Ness's alternate color schemes (removing his hat when he's Lucas). If we're going to have someone straight out of Mother 3, it would be nice to, like Ike, have someone with a unique fighting moveset compared to previous franchise reps. (Essentially, I'm really, really hoping Ness remains... Earthbound is still, to me, the best of the three games.)

 

[Super Smash Master]

That would really be nice having all three as costumes. I actually will be partially sad to see Ness go, but I only really want him gone, because Claus is badass. I love the Earthbound series and having beaten EB, I am attached to Ness.

But ****, I am sure getting a lot of flack on my Marth comment. o_O

And I only called it the best roster ever to draw people here.

A Neutral Combo

There's one. I am too lazy to search the entire Dojo site for an argument on the internet. I have better things do to with my time frankly. But I will point em out if I find any more. =P

But to be honest, some of you people are convincing me a little that Marth has a little bit more of a chance to come back, because I never noticed his B move stabbed the ground instead of slashes it.

 

[raphtmarqui]

And KumaOso, why would they reveal Ike first if Marth is in the game?

Probably the same reason why they revealed Pkmn Trainer before Jiggs and Mewtwo.

 

[Reyairia]

I think Marth will return simply because I highly doubt we'll be left with only one FE representative (that is, if that Black Knight everybody hypes about doesn't get in) no matter how much FE left a bad taste in my mouth after Melee.

 

[Ezalc]

What about Viewtiful Joe! I would rather have him than megaman...

 

[Kirby knight]

I think Marth will return simply because I highly doubt we'll be left with only one FE representative (that is, if that Black Knight everybody hypes about doesn't get in) no matter how much FE left a bad taste in my mouth after Melee.

Marth does have alot going for him however. I think people are slightly overrating how important he is. You can use "He was the first lord" and " He was in two games" however using "The FACE of Fire Emblem" is something you cannot use due to Marth not being a constantly recurring character in the FE games.

Let's compare Marth to Mario ( In terms of being the face of his franchise).

Marth has been in two games. Never to be seen again except for his inclusion in Melee.
Mario has every single game in the Mario series (Barring of course things like Wario, Yoshi ,etc).
Mario is known thoughout the world as a recognizable face to his series.
Marth only having his games released in Japan most of the the the world is oblvious to how one could considering him the face of his franchise, not to mention Marth isn't a recurring character in his games like Mario due to how the FE's change worlds.

Marth is very important being the first Lord, but being the face of his franchise he is not because of how The FE games change so much.

I mean that's like saying Cloud is the face of Final Fantasy 10 x_x

Also now to get to my other point.

The most likely FE candiates are: Marth,Mikaya,Black Knight, Hector, and Sigurd so if for some reason Marth doesn't show up there are plenty of other "important" character to use in his place.

-Knight

 

[Super Smash Master]

Probably the same reason why they revealed Pkmn Trainer before Jiggs and Mewtwo.

Jiggs and Mewtwo are secret characters though. They always have been.

What about Viewtiful Joe! I would rather have him than megaman...

That just wouldn't work. You can't slow down the entire game just, because a character has a move. That would just be annoying and would throw off the flow of the game.



And I am going to move Marth to iffy to shut you people up.

 

[Lag]

Yes! Mr. Game and Watch will return! I mean come on he is the first 2D character of the Smash franchise! Why not carry on the tradition Brawl style!? Though his movesets would probably be the same with some balances due to the fact his moves are based on his past games. I personally think that he has to be one of the characters you have to unlock last. Anyways nice list.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Marth does have alot going for him however. I think people are slightly overrating how important he is. You can use "He was the first lord" and " He was in two games" however using "The FACE of Fire Emblem" is something you cannot use due to Marth not being a constantly recurring character in the FE games.

In terms of recognizibility, that really is irrelevant.

Let's compare Marth to Mario ( In terms of being the face of his franchise).

Marth has been in two games. Never to be seen again except for his inclusion in Melee.
Mario has every single game in the Mario series (Barring of course things like Wario, Yoshi ,etc).

It might help make him more recognizable, however the fact is that he is independently a recognizable character, so his number of appearances do not impact this.

Mario is known thoughout the world as a recognizable face to his series.
Marth only having his games released in Japan most of the the the world is oblvious to how one could considering him the face of his franchise, not to mention Marth isn't a recurring character in his games like Mario due to how the FE's change worlds.

Have you noticed the Japan-centricity of the Smash series? The fact that he is the recognized face of the series in Japan is far more important then whether that is the case anywhere else. Also, I think you're not considering a sizable portion of Fans of the series who looked up the origins upon the release of FE7, or knew the series beforehand.

As for reoccurring, see above.

Marth is very important being the first Lord, but being the face of his franchise he is not because of how The FE games change so much.

But people remember where it came from, in Japan (or in the prior exception groups) when people say "Fire Emblem" people think, "Marth".

I mean that's like saying Cloud is the face of Final Fantasy 10 x_x

And probably the only reason that is the case is simply because he wasn't the main character in the first game. However, even years after his game, he is still incredibly recognizable, enough to make a movie and expand the Universe, and you can expect his popularity to remain steady.

Cloud is actually an example of this exact same situation, only he lacked the distinction of being "first", otherwise he would be the face of Final Fantasy. Or maybe Sephiroth, who is also still immensly popular.

The most likely FE candiates are: Marth,Mikaya,Black Knight, Hector, and Sigurd so if for some reason Marth doesn't show up there are plenty of other "important" character to use in his place.

Of course, but speaking realistically, none of those characters are important and recognizable enough to replace Marth, I for instance, would love to see Hector, but I acknowledge that him versus Marth is no contest. It's the same with Sigurd (personally my favorite Lord, from my favorite game in the series), paling in comparison to Marth, plus, he also has the world-wide recognizability issue that Marth and Roy had.

 

[Kirby knight]

Have you noticed the Japan-centricity of the Smash series? The fact that he is the recognized face of the series in Japan is far more important then whether that is the case anywhere else. Also, I think you're not considering a sizable portion of Fans of the series who looked up the origins upon the release of FE7, or knew the series beforehand.

Yes I have noticed the Japan-centricty of it. I'm saying that Fire Emblem wasn't nearly as recognisable as it is today outside of Japan because of the release of FE7 and Roy and Marth and SSBM. Of course people are going to have known about it beforehand.

Of course, but speaking realistically, none of those characters are important and recognizable enough to replace Marth, I for instance, would love to see Hector, but I acknowledge that him versus Marth is no contest. It's the same with Sigurd (personally my favorite Lord, from my favorite game in the series), paling in comparison to Marth, plus, he also has the world-wide recognizability issue that Marth and Roy had

Did you read what I typed? I said "if" I know it's highly unlikely that Marth will be replaced I was just throwing out "if he was not going to make it". Plus I do think Fire Emblem warrant a new character addition (3) slots because of the increased popularity outside of Japan.

-Knight

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yes I have noticed the Japan-centricty of it. I'm saying that Fire Emblem wasn't nearly as recognisable as it is today outside of Japan because of the release of FE7 and Roy and Marth and SSBM. Of course people are going to have known about it beforehand.

Which is true, but it has very little impact on Marth's chances.

Did you read what I typed? I said "if" I know it's highly unlikely that Marth will be replaced I was just throwing out "if he was not going to make it". Plus I do think Fire Emblem warrant a new character addition (3) slots because of the increased popularity outside of Japan.

-Knight

I just didn't think your wording was strong enough to express the unlikelihood properly, "if" is not enough.

But I see now that we agree, so I gather that you meant it meant it more strongly then I read it as, I also acknowledge there is a chance that Marth will be skipped, just that it's highly unlikely.


Good to know we agree on this point.

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

AKA The Best Roster Ever

Lack of Midna = Far FAR from the "Best Roster Ever"

Therefore you lied...

 

[axemangx]

Yeah, all these EB lovers officially blew off Ness and said "Welcome! Forget ol whats his name from the later game! Your more unique! We're going to love playing you!."

EDIT: Who said Lucas was going to be in N64? First of all, the N64 game had major problems to make and of course didnt work. And, I'm pretty sure the SSB was before the EB 64 idea was released.

If Lucas, Claus, and Ness would be in, that would be fair.

Ness was in the last 2 games, and he was in the best game of the series, as the main character. He was unique aswell.

Lucas is from the latest EB game. It would make sense if he was in, since hes different from Ness, but wouldnt it be great to have both? Seriously >_>

Claus: Need I say more? A robot with a samurai sword and some pimp threads, sure but. Needless to say, Claus wont be in because of him dying in EB3. I'd love for him to come in though anyways. AT at most.

Whats with all the hate for Ness? o_O

 

[vesperview]

Ness will most likely replace Ness in Brawl

yeah sure.

 

[hectichobo]

UMMMMM!!! ARE YOU ****ING CRAZY?!?!?!? SNAKE UNLOCKABLE????? You make me laugh little girl!!!

 

[pirkid]

27. Lucas- He was meant to be in Smash 64. Sakurai also said he was meant to be in Melee, but couldn't, because of Mother 3's delay. Ness will most likely replace Ness in Brawl.

YAY



But srsly, I like your list, it matches mine, and you actually did research on the polls and that stuff. I would have been too lazy for that.

Good job. I'm behind this list.

 

[MysticKenji]

Ness will most likely replace Ness in Brawl.

Typo, son?

 

[Caael]

Ness will most likely replace Ness in Brawl

LOL

10char.

 

[lyonartime333]

all in all, i think this is another good list. the only part i thought was odd was that you just shrugged off every fact about bowser Jr. and said "he is a huge cliche, and he sucks." if nintendo cared about cliches, then why are 2 of their top franchises (Mario and Zelda) both "save the princess" games? despite this, all of your other choices are well backed up with facts . good job

on a side note, I'm a huge FE fan who was introduced to the series by Marth and Roy in melee. so, in my opinion, i sadly think that it is impossible to tell whether or not Marth will be in brawl. it will depend on how Ike plays, and by the time we know that, we will own the game. if Ike is light, they will cut Marth and put in The Black Knight as the second character as a heavy. if Ike is medium-heavy, Marth will more than likely be back and faster than before. Micahiah is a good "idea" but i still have my doubts.