Hi @
Synesthesia
, I'm posting this on behalf of Cobrevolution:
matchups that become LAUGHABLE on hyrule:
ness vs the cast
sky kirby vs cast
left slant kirby vs cast, save for link
fox vs slow characters (samus, luigi, ness, dk)
runaway falcon vs cast, save for fox
retreating fireball mario vs cast, save for falcon, link, fox and pika
movement options on dreamland are FAR better for the cast than movement options on hyrule, because platforms are such a huge part of their games. sky camping is effectively broken on hyrule because there is only one way to approach it, and it's unfavorable (from the other two ladder platforms). sky camping on dreamland can be approached from three different locations.
hyrule provides a boost to link and perhaps jpuff (for lower punish possibilities after rest combos), a nerf to samus, ness, luigi, and yoshi, lets dk stay around the same, and greatly buffs fox, pika and kirby (aka the three best characters in the game). therefore, matchups that are already skewed become
even more skewed.
dreamland, on the other hand, provides a boost to everyone except link and fox (both of whom still perform very well against low tiers).
it's only sensible that, if we're talking about competitive viability, we'd accept a boost in all matchups instead of just the higher tiers. this decreases the chance that a game will be decided on the stage/character gap, i believe.
the same is true for peach's and congo. sk and i have had this discussion before, but i will reiterate here: i believe that recoveries are worse on peach's due to the moving penis and the lack of a grabbable ledge (sk believes, iirc, that the wedges interrupt edgeguarding and prevent you from going into a recovering position, so that's a boost). a backthrow on dreamland is not a 100% stock - a backthrow on peach's as the penis is shrinking, on the other hand...
further, peach's has more limited movement options as well, in contrast to dreamland. congo is the same way - it's a cockeyed dreamland, and lacks ledge di, which is a great tool for many characters.
and because this is about smash con - let me tell you something. let's assume boom doesn't go and hyrule is legal, so it's anyone's tourney, really. do you think Fireblaster (obviously not throwing you under the bus, javi, just making a point) wouldn't choose to counterpick hyrule and camp his ass off to win? to get that 5k pot bonus? the game is changing to the point that people will do whatever they can to win, and if playing an hour game on hyrule is what it takes, they'll do it.
aaaand smashcon is also 65 bucks. more expensive than apex. dunno if i'm going now, wtf is wrong with this ****.