Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[FalKoopa]

Ugh, 4chan is bashing Lucario right now because they think it means Mewtwo is cut.

It's 4chan. What did you expect?

Considering that a good part of Smashboards freaked out too, it's hardly surprising.

 

[Berserker.]

Ugh, 4chan.

Yeah. That's basically it.

 

[Knight Dude]

If we are going to be honest, the only character that got in Mewtwo's way was Sonic. Since the game got delayed just to include him and a whole slew of Sonic related things. The devs only worked on him for the remainder of that time. [sarcasm] But I mean that can't be the case, Lucario has a similar projectile, he was a clone replacement. [/sarcasm]

 

[FlareHabanero]

So Xeno is a little girl and Golden is obviously Entei, which mean Entei is going to become friends with the little girl and create the little girl's fantasies?

Wah! What are we going to do on the crystals?

Pomf =3

 

[Empyrean]

It's been 6 months I haven't played anything besides SSB. I'm a Smash Bros exclusive, baby. (Though I occasionally play some Metroid and Kirby, and very recently, some Dota 2)

 

[Will]

It's been 6 months I haven't played anything besides SSB. I'm a Smash Bros exclusive, baby. (Though I occasionally play some Metroid and Kirby, and very recently, some Dota 2)

Super Smash Bros. is like the drug of gaming to us.

 

[Knight Dude]

Well, for the next Superman/Batman movie, they chose who will play Lex Luthor and Alfred. I can see why they picked Alfred's actor. It looks like he'd be good for the role. Though I think it'd be cool if he had the facial hair though, not sure why. That's the first thing I think of when it comes to Alfred. Though I'm surprised to see the choice they went with Lex.

Lex Luthor and Alfred Have been Cast in the Upcoming Superman/Batman Film

 

[Empyrean]

Super Smash Bros. is like the drug of gaming to us.

My friends get extremely pissed each time we transition from Smash to another game like Fifa or CoD and I refuse to play. It's not that I hate those games, it's just that they're not Smash.

 

[Pacack]

I know I missed the music discussion, but I just have to mention that Pac-Man World 2 has my favorite soundtrack of all time.

Have a listen (Lots of stuff. Open at your own risk):

Spoiler

These two are remixes of one another.

(Tip: give this one a chance. Trust me. It really is boss music.)

And key tip, don't mention Clyde in the Caldera to anyone who's played the game if you're not ready to get an earful about how freaking ridiculously hard he is.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot this gem:

Spoiler

 

[APC99]

Well, for the next Superman/Batman movie, they chose who will play Lex Luthor and Alfred. I can see why they picked Alfred's actor. It looks like he'd be good for the role. Though I think it'd be cool if he had the facial hair though, not sure why. That's the first thing I think of when it comes to Alfred. Though I'm surprised to see the choice they went with Lex.

Lex Luthor and Alfred Have been Cast in the Upcoming Superman/Batman Film

I can see Irons ROCKING it as Alfred, and I'm sure Eisenberg will do well as Luthor. I'm just curious on what the plot will be besides "IT'S JUSTICE LEAGUE BEFORE JUSTICE LEAGUE OMG!"

 

[Knight Dude]

I can see Irons ROCKING it as Alfred, and I'm sure Eisenberg will do well as Luthor. I'm just curious on what the plot will be besides "IT'S JUSTICE LEAGUE BEFORE JUSTICE LEAGUE OMG!"

I just hope Superman doesn't get his ass handed to him in a really dumb way. While Batman does everything, that'd be pretty lame.

 

[Frostwraith]

So here are the characters from previous Smash games we still don't know if they're in this game or not. Anyway, which of the do you think are more likely to return or are the least likely to return?

[collapse="N64 veterans"]Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Jigglypuff[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans"]Sheik
Ganondorf
Falco
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans absent in Brawl"]Dr. Mario
Young Link
Mewtwo
Pichu
Roy[/collapse]

[collapse="Brawl veterans"]Diddy Kong
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
Pokémon Trainer
Lucas
Ike
Wario
R.O.B.
Wolf
Snake[/collapse]

If I had to make a top 5 of the least likely to return, it would be (in no particular order): Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Snake.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Spoilers, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy, and Young Link aren't coming back.

Sorry TheFirstPoppyBro about Pichu.
Sorry GoldenYuiitusin about Dr. Mario.
Sorry Fastblade that your boyfriend isn't coming back.
...Heh, nobody cares about Young Link.

 

[Kenith]

So here are the characters from previous Smash games we still don't know if they're in this game or not. Anyway, which of the do you think are more likely to return or are the least likely to return?

[collapse="N64 veterans"]Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Jigglypuff[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans"]Sheik
Ganondorf
Falco
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans absent in Brawl"]Dr. Mario
Young Link
Mewtwo
Pichu
Roy[/collapse]

[collapse="Brawl veterans"]Diddy Kong
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
Pokémon Trainer
Lucas
Ike
Wario
R.O.B.
Wolf
Snake[/collapse]

If I had to make a top 5 of the least likely to return, it would be (in no particular order): Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Snake.

Finally, someone else who factors in the Melee guys. That's who I think won't come back, too, though the axing of Young Link and DR. Mario are no-brainers at this point.

I find Roy's return unlikely since a third FE character would be a Lord definitely, and unlike Chrom, he doesn't promote anything. It is worth noting, though, he is an extremely highly requested character.

 

[Pacack]

So here are the characters from previous Smash games we still don't know if they're in this game or not. Anyway, which of the do you think are more likely to return or are the least likely to return?

[collapse="N64 veterans"]Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Jigglypuff[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans"]Sheik
Ganondorf
Falco
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans absent in Brawl"]Dr. Mario
Young Link
Mewtwo
Pichu
Roy[/collapse]

[collapse="Brawl veterans"]Diddy Kong
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
Pokémon Trainer
Lucas
Ike
Wario
R.O.B.
Wolf
Snake[/collapse]

If I had to make a top 5 of the least likely to return, it would be (in no particular order): Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Snake.

Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy, and Pokemon Trainer are my top (bottom?) five. Only Squirtle and Ivysaur would be cut, though. Charizard would remain.

 

[_fiercedeity]

So here are the characters from previous Smash games we still don't know if they're in this game or not. Anyway, which of the do you think are more likely to return or are the least likely to return?

If I had to make a top 5 of the least likely to return, it would be (in no particular order): Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Snake.

I'm hoping Pokemon Trainer returns, with less lag while switching and no stamina. I dont think Snake should return be cause I don't want too many third-party characters

 

[Arcadenik]

What other characters and intent are we specifically alluding to? I am specifically referencing from the perspective that Smash is a marketing machination and that it is more rational to include prominent and relevant characters over similar characters that are slightly more unique.

I am beginning to see why the Wii Fit Trainer was unexpectedly added to SSB4... she's probably a marketing tool for the upcoming QOL thingy in 2015... she caters to the Fit population alongside Villager while Mega Man and (maybe) Rosalina cater to the Gaming population.

 

[Kenith]

I'm actually thinking Pichu is the most likely of the cut Melee characters. After Mewtwo, of course, but is anyone actually not expecting him?

 

[Frostwraith]

Everyone could agree that Dr. Mario, Young Link, Pichu are guaranteed not to return.

Finally, someone else who factors in the Melee guys. That's who I think won't come back, too, though the axing of Young Link and DR. Mario are no-brainers at this point.

I always consider the Melee characters cut in Brawl because this isn't about cuts. This about who comes back. Mewtwo, Roy, etc. are veteran characters much like the rest that made into Brawl.

Sakurai stated they're trying to bring as many characters from previous games back as possible. Note that he mentioned previous games not just Brawl, so the cut characters count.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I'm actually thinking Pichu is the most likely of the cut Melee characters. After Mewtwo, of course, but is anyone actually not expecting him?

oddly after lucario's confirmation, a lot of people actually are,
. . .
but i'll just quote and earlier post I responded to that subject

idiots. . . hyped filled idiots . . .

 

[TumblrFamous]

So here are the characters from previous Smash games we still don't know if they're in this game or not. Anyway, which of the do you think are more likely to return or are the least likely to return?

[collapse="N64 veterans"]Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Jigglypuff[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans"]Sheik
Ganondorf
Falco
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch[/collapse]

[collapse="Melee veterans absent in Brawl"]Dr. Mario
Young Link
Mewtwo
Pichu
Roy[/collapse]

[collapse="Brawl veterans"]Diddy Kong
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
Pokémon Trainer
Lucas
Ike
Wario
R.O.B.
Wolf
Snake[/collapse]

If I had to make a top 5 of the least likely to return, it would be (in no particular order): Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Snake.

I have made a tier of the characters.

Shoo-In Tier:
Meta Knight
Wario
Diddy Kong
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Game & Watch
R.O.B.
Zero Suit Samus
Falco

Very Likely Tier:
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer
Jigglypuff
Sheik

Good Chances Tier:
Ike
Lucas
Snake
Wolf
Roy
Dr. Mario (costume)

Negligible Tier:
Pichu
Young Link

 

[Kenith]

I always consider the Melee characters cut in Brawl because this isn't about cuts. This about who comes back. Mewtwo, Roy, etc. are veteran characters much like the rest that made into Brawl.
Sakurai stated they're trying to bring as many characters from previous games back as possible. Note that he mentioned previous games not just Brawl, so the cut characters count.

That, my friend, is a wise assessment. Use your knowledge wisely.

oddly after lucario's confirmation, a lot of people actually are,
. . .
but i'll just quote and earlier post I responded to that subject

I had a feeling someone would mention that. Let's forget they exist for a moment. Then I think the general consensus is Mewtwo shall return.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Back during the days of Brawl speculation, I remember comments from Masahiro Sakurai himself warning that not every character will return, and everyone interpreted it as 90% of the roster being scrapped. Seriously, I remember people were labeling pretty much 16 characters from the Melee roster that were going to be scrapped due to asinine reasons. Of course, it was a lot more mundane then people anticipated, with the only notable offender being Mewtwo.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I'm guessing that Sakurai includes Pichu and Young Link when he says "Not every character will return". Dr. Mario may also fall into that group, though Dr. Mario is an odd case IMO because Doc still had some data in Brawl's code, which means he was worked on at one point.

Plus, I'm pretty sure at one point, Sakurai said that he liked every character on Brawl's roster, so he'll at least try to bring everyone back from Brawl.

 

[Arcadenik]

@ FlareHabanero I see you have a Wonderful 101 sig... how is the game? I am considering getting it...

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So people on Miiverse JUST because of Lucario's reveal:

• Criticize Sakurai for not adding a Gen 6 Pokemon
• Claim the game has bad direction
• Claim it to be Brawl 2.0 (even one on the grounds of no Ice Climbers yet)
• Think Mewtwo is cut
• Complain like little whiny *****es as usual
• Claim the game doesn't have a "unique feel" when they haven't played it yet
• Suddenly started bashing Jigglypuff in a few cases
• Stir up conflict between Mewtwo fans and Lucario fans
• Basically say the game sucks, minus a few sensible people
• Make the usual crappy character requests

Please, Nintendo, that community needs to be burned, fumigated, and utterly destroyed.

 

[Wario Bros.]

So people on Miiverse JUST because of Lucario's reveal:

• Criticize Sakurai for not adding a Gen 6 Pokemon
• Claim the game has bad direction
• Claim it to be Brawl 2.0 (even one on the grounds of no Ice Climbers yet)
• Think Mewtwo is cut
• Complain like little whiny *****es as usual
• Claim the game doesn't have a "unique feel" when they haven't played it yet
• Suddenly started bashing Jigglypuff in a few cases
• Stir up conflict between Mewtwo fans and Lucario fans
• Basically say the game sucks, minus a few sensible people

Were you expecting anything different or new from Miiverse?

 

[Pacack]

So people on Miiverse JUST because of Lucario's reveal:

• Criticize Sakurai for not adding a Gen 6 Pokemon
• Claim the game has bad direction
• Claim it to be Brawl 2.0 (even one on the grounds of no Ice Climbers yet)
• Think Mewtwo is cut
• Complain like little whiny *****es as usual
• Claim the game doesn't have a "unique feel" when they haven't played it yet
• Suddenly started bashing Jigglypuff in a few cases
• Stir up conflict between Mewtwo fans and Lucario fans
• Basically say the game sucks, minus a few sensible people

That's because it's Miiverse.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

So people on Miiverse JUST because of Lucario's reveal:

• Criticize Sakurai for not adding a Gen 6 Pokemon
• Claim the game has bad direction
• Claim it to be Brawl 2.0 (even one on the grounds of no Ice Climbers yet)
• Think Mewtwo is cut
• Complain like little whiny *****es as usual
• Claim the game doesn't have a "unique feel" when they haven't played it yet
• Suddenly started bashing Jigglypuff in a few cases
• Stir up conflict between Mewtwo fans and Lucario fans
• Basically say the game sucks, minus a few sensible people

welcome to miiverse, now you know why we don't have much to say about them

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Were you expecting anything different or new from Miiverse?

Not really, it just bothers me that nobody on Miiverse has any common sense.

Somebody actually brought up a few days ago that the Japanese community doesn't ask for characters or act like a bunch of idiots. Their community is actually very sophisticated and accepting of Sakurai's choices. Probably because they know they can't change his decisions. What I wouldn't give to be part of that Miiverse community instead.

 

[Kenith]

So people on Miiverse JUST because of Lucario's reveal:
Please, Nintendo, that community needs to be burned, fumigated, and utterly destroyed.

Don't pity the Miiverse community. You have to consider it's mostly stupid children.
Besides, why dirty our hands with their opinions anyway?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Don't pity the Miiverse community. You have to consider it's mostly stupid children.
Besides, why dirty our hands with their opinions anyway?

I'm not giving pity to Miiverse. I'm saying the Smash community needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.

 

[FlareHabanero]

@ FlareHabanero I see you have a Wonderful 101 sig... how is the game? I am considering getting it...

Few things to keep in mind with that game.

1. The entire game is ridiculous and cheesy, but it's a good kind of cheese. The entire game has a tone similar to a Saturday morning cartoon, with a lot of cliches and comedic moments, but it's very enjoyable because of it. But it also has a lot of climatic moments with action scenes, which isn't surprising because games developed by Platinum Games tend to have big and bold action scenes.

2. The game is not novice friendly compared to other games out there. Tutorials are brief and sparse, you can accumulate a lot of damage from enemies and hazards if you don't know what to do, and the game has an unforgiving ranking system. Luckily you can adjust the difficulty to whatever feels the most comfortable, by default the options being "Very Easy", "Easy", and "Normal", with an additional "Hard" and "Very Hard" you can unlock.

3. The game has plenty of replayability, like hunting down the 5 Platinum Coins hidden in each stage, hunting down the special Wonder characters, collecting figurines and GEATHJERK documents, and getting a platinum ranking on each stage.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Now, the brawl 2.0 part isn't just miiverse, it's everywhere.

Lots of people seem to be accusing this game of being a rehash of brawl after Lucario's reveal.

Well, of course it's going to look like brawl when the only thing we have seen are picture of fighting and not that much of game modes and other new things.

Though, even with that said, we do already have details of things unlike brawl to make even saying it looks like brawl stupid.

- no random tripping
- Edge Guarding change
- Lots of details (Color-coded explosions, lightning when almost Ko'd, Expressive fighters).
- 3ds and wii u getting stages based off what games are on those platform
- and an apparently unique single player mode
- maybe more I'm forgetting

 

[Gunla]

Now, the brawl 2.0 part isn't just miiverse, it's everywhere.

Lots of people seem to be accusing this game of being a rehash of brawl after Lucario's reveal.

Well, of course it's going to look like brawl when the only thing we have seen are picture of fighting and not that much of game modes and other new things.

Though, even with that said, we do already have details of things unlike brawl to make even saying it looks like brawl stupid.

- no random tripping
- Edge Guarding change
- Lots of details (Color-coded explosions, lighting when almost Ko'd, Expressive fighters).
- 3ds and wii u getting stages based off what games are on those platform
- and an apparently unique single player mode
- maybe more I'm forgetting

We already know it's different from Brawl in many ways. People are just being unbelieveably salty and thinking Mewtwo was cut aka the "Brawl 2.0" Statement. I consider Mewtwo to always be a shoo-in because of the statements on Mewtwo during 4's development so far.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

- no random tripping
- Edge Guarding change
- Lots of details (Color-coded explosions, lighting when almost Ko'd, Expressive fighters).
- 3ds and wii u getting stages based off what games are on those platform
- and an apparently unique single player mode
- maybe more I'm forgetting

Not to mention the game's speed overall.

And about Mewtwo's inclusion: If he went to the Pokemon Direct, heard a Mewtwo in Smash question, stood up FROM THE AUDIENCE, and said "We're thinking about it", he must've known someone would ask that during the Direct, otherwise he probably wouldn't have been there to begin with.

That and the fact that he said "We're thinking about it" when he obviously knows the huge fan demand tells me that Mewtwo is essentially guaranteed at this point.

 

[Baskerville]

Shouldn't the 2.0 thing be better? If anything they're actually saying something positive without even knowing it.

 

[Gunla]

Shouldn't the 2.0 thing be better? If anything they're actually saying something positive without even knowing it.

I dunno, to me it feels very reminiscent of some of the claims for B+ and PM back during their early development.

 

[Kenith]

I'm not giving pity to Miiverse. I'm saying the Smash community needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.

That's a little extreme, when, as I said, Miiverse is full of kids.

Now, the brawl 2.0 part isn't just miiverse, it's everywhere.

Lots of people seem to be accusing this game of being a rehash of brawl after Lucario's reveal.
Well, of course it's going to look like brawl when the only thing we have seen are picture of fighting and not that much of game modes and other new things.

Also there's the fact that Brawl looks and sounds horrible now. I'm sorry, but washed-out colors Bowser with Godzilla sounds is the worst Bowser.

Plus, all the SFX in Brawl had an ugly, scratchy feel to them. Am I the only one who thinks this?

 

[Gunla]

Plus, all the SFX in Brawl had an ugly, scratchy feel to them. Am I the only one who thinks this?

There's a reason I have a ton of Brawl Mods, and it's because I don't like the "SURREALISTIC-BLAHBLAH" look of Brawl.
4 reminds me more of Melee's art style, which I grew up with: more of a focus on brighter colors and nostalgic design (in my opinion)