Super Armor. The Defence Against the Final Smash?

[Pyroloserkid]

We all know about Ike's up-special right? During some points he takes damage but won't flinch. This has been referred to as Super Armor.

Suppose Link grabs the Smash Ball and fires his triforce at me (Ike). Before the Triforce hits and traps me, I use my up special. I take any possible damage the Triforce can give, but I don't flinch.

Do you think this would Cancel out the rest of the Final Smash?
If so, would this be looked upon as advanced?
Would it be the new "meteor cancel"?
Do you think the team has already thought of this?
What other offensive Final Smashes would it work with (if it worked) ?

 

[Mari0sPooPoo]

Meh...

I don't think we know enough to make a conclusion...

: /

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Rofl.

Could you atleast TRY to contribute somehow?

If not, a funny picture would suffice =] .

 

[Mari0sPooPoo]

Rofl.

Could you atleast TRY to contribute somehow?

If not, a funny picture would suffice =] .

I was feeling lazy and thought my funny pictures were getting cliche.

lol

 

[pirkid]

It was also said that this sort of technique would apply to heavier characters.
So it may be advanced, but it may be like edgeteching, only certain peoepl can wall jump and only certain people can withstand knockback, etc.

Fox's Shine spike is screwed...

 

[Pyroloserkid]

So Pirkid, what are you trying to say really? I'm confused.

-Also, I added you to msn a WHILE ago.

 

[Mari0sPooPoo]

Fox's Shine spike is screwed...

lmao

 

[THEmSHAKE]

No, while its said that heavier characters wont flinch at certain times during a move, they still take damage. Against mario's final smash, for example, the best you hope for is not to suffer much knock back. Though, that move didn't seem to have much anyway.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

What about Bowser's?

 

[BigRick]

I don't think so.

I don't even think that Ike got super armor on the hitting frames of his up+B.

 

[Vagrant Lustoid]

The uper armour only lasts until he grabs the thrown sword, from the way the comments on the update seem to be structured. So after grabbing it, I imagine the armour is gone.

As for the Final Smash thing, well... one thing I will say is that it would suck to use the Zero Laser, only to have Ike Aether his way to survival through it. I hope final smashes cancel through super armour for the most part, though I can't imagine they would cancel Ike's as that runs the risk of him losing his sword, unless it just appears in his hand again in the rare cases of a Final Smash hitting him, knocking him away from the sword in the middle of an Aether and him surviving.

 

[Phrozn]

The final smash should over power everything. Even the shine....*gasp*

 

[Fafnir]

I doubt it will matter much, since FS probably won't be enabled with no items in competative.

 

[Xigger]

At times with low damage, that's called the Metal box.

I think the only way to dodge the Final Smash is too.... well, dodge. It only comes once a match anyways.

 

[gnosis]

I think what he's saying is the Triforce hits during Ike's SA frames, he doesn't flinch and instead jumps up to his sword, then lands behind Link, who had automatically rushed forward to swing where the Triforce hit... which is now just a bunch of air.

In other words, it doesn't matter that Ike's SA frames don't last through the whole fsmash, since he used them to dodge it.

Which would be pretty sad for Link ;_;

 

[Card]

Here is something I wrote in a thread back when Aether was announced.

The real reason Sakurai made Ike not Flinch during the beginning of Aether is actually extremely simple and logical....

Character Model Animation Issues.

Let me break it down so everyone can understand. Basically, the reason Ike doesn't flinch after he throws his sword, is because during those moments Ike's sword is no longer part of his character model. It becomes disjointed. What would happen to Ike if he Flinched before grabbing his sword? His body would go flying, and his Sword? well... it would have to stay behind in order to make logical sense. This would cause a WHOLE SLEW of additional technical problems that just ARE NOT necessary for Ike to have in his move set. If he was able to be knocked away while his sword was in the air, interrupting him from catching it, they would have to do a whole script on; picking up the sword, moves without the sword, what happens to the sword if it falls off the stage, etc.. etc.. It's just an unnecessary hassle.

So whats an easy fix? Just make Ike un-flinchable until he grabs his sword. This way, there will be no problems and the only time Ike can be knocked away is while his sword is in his hand.


I realize he also mentioned that many characters will also gain moves similar to this. But really people, do not get your hopes too high into this thinking heavy-weight characters will be drastically changed.

Bowser and any other Heavy-Weights may have some 'un-flinchable' frames during their moves in order to balance them out. I doubt that heavy characters will have "super armor" on ALL their attacks that last the entire time.

Everything will be balanced... don't worry.

 

[_Slick_]

Link > Ike.

No way.

 

[Master Peach]

We all know about Ike's up-special right? During some points he takes damage but won't flinch. This has been referred to as Super Armor.

Suppose Link grabs the Smash Ball and fires his triforce at me (Ike). Before the Triforce hits and traps me, I use my up special. I take any possible damage the Triforce can give, but I don't flinch.

Do you think this would Cancel out the rest of the Final Smash?
If so, would this be looked upon as advanced?
Would it be the new "meteor cancel"?
Do you think the team has already thought of this?
What other offensive Final Smashes would it work with (if it worked) ?

You know that's a good point. If this were true don't you think the heavy characters would be a little broken. I mean with the super Armor they'll be living past attacks that should have killed them easily at 300%. And I know we'll have people spamming this move at tourneys. This would be gay.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Only the knee can stop the final smash.

 

[red stone]

yeah i'm pretty sure the best way is just to tether off the ledge and hang there

 

[ChronosMagnum]

Totally random but, needs to be read entirely.. also I say that FS should be unstoppable.

 

[lukintosh]

This sounds feasible, but it takes away the EPIC-ness of final smashes!

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

I will be furious if this screws over Link.

BTW, this is post 747 for me.

Therefore, this thread is Boeing Airplane Approved.

 

[Igneous42]

I think final smashes, especially single target ones like Link's will be pretty hard to avoid.

 

[_Slick_]

Look it's a final smash. a FINAL Smash. It's so powerful not even Ike can stop it. Plus Link is pure awesome so...like yeah...

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Final Smashes may have a unique twist.

• The player is invincible while using the Final Smash.

• The attack he/she uses would be unblockable and can't be reflected (which means the Franklin Badge is useless).

• Final Smashes would also cancel the effects of the Starman, Metal Box, and Cloaking Device.

 

[Hydde]

I think the final smash.... taking in consideration its power and the limited times you can use it..... they will be unavoidable....

I mean, even when you spot dodge.. it will hit... (FS like Links)

 

[LinkGadra]

Actually, with an attack like Link's, I would imagine that if you connect with the opening move, it would go into a cinematic while the rest of the move took place.

Example:

Link fires Triforce beam and connects.

BAM!

Then, everything freezes while Link enters the Triforce Slash.

Multiple Hits!

When the attack is done, everything goes back to normal.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Actually, with an attack like Link's, I would imagine that if you connect with the opening move, it would go into a cinematic while the rest of the move took place.

Example:

Link fires Triforce beam and connects.

BAM!

Then, everything freezes while Link enters the Triforce Slash.

Multiple Hits!

When the attack is done, everything goes back to normal.

See, but you're missing the point.

What if Ike uses Aether, abuses the Super Armor, and you DON'T connect?

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

Only the knee can stop the final smash.

Don forget the Falcon Pwnch.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Don forget the Falcon Pwnch.

Thread over. You win.

 

[Puffs]

Even if you receive absolutely no knockback from a Final Smash, you'd still get an insane amount of damage.

 

[Knyaguy]

I think that the priority attack would knock him of his unfinching stage. so he would get damage AND he would flinch.

 

[Mari0sPooPoo]

Thread over. You win.

Didn't you guys hear? This thread is over.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Didn't you guys hear? This thread is over.

LMAO.

But the Priority thing makes sense. I think a Final Smash should have priority over everything except other Final Smashes.

 

[Time/SpaceMage]

Speaking of Super Armor, what would happen to Ike's sword if he gets grabbed out of up-B?

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

I have teh power to end threads now? That's interesting. *Tries to close "Official OMG tonight" thrad*

CURSES!!!!

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I have teh power to end threads now? That's interesting. *Tries to close "Official OMG tonight" thrad*

CURSES!!!!

-watches threads slowly fall off the first page-

 

[LinkGadra]

See, but you're missing the point.

What if Ike uses Aether, abuses the Super Armor, and you DON'T connect?

If you don't connect, nothing happens. What are you getting at here?

 

[raphtmarqui]

Why ppl think the development teams dont even test out there own games. Obviously theyve thought of this already.