Sunrise Up Again! Isaac for Smash Ultimate DLC

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So I saw someone say Byleth wasn’t promotion when he was chosen literally before his game came out, something they’ve done before with an upcoming FE character as DLC for that exact purpose, so I don’t know what else Byleth could be. Unless the person thinks they were added for the sole purpose of making the fan base angry.
 

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So I saw someone say Byleth wasn’t promotion when he was chosen literally before his game came out, something they’ve done before with an upcoming FE character as DLC for that exact purpose, so I don’t know what else Byleth could be. Unless the person thinks they were added for the sole purpose of making the fan base angry.
Byleth is interesting because they weren't added in advance to push their game like Corrin, but rather, to have a character from a game people were playing. It's still a bit of a promotion, but compared to Corrin and arguably Hero, they're not screaming "BUY OUR GAME" directly to your face.
 

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Byleth is interesting because they weren't added in advance to push their game like Corrin, but rather, to have a character from a game people were playing. It's still a bit of a promotion, but compared to Corrin and arguably Hero, they're not screaming "BUY OUR GAME" directly to your face.
It is interesting, but Byleth's announcement still seemed like a promotional push to me. I know a decent number of people who were on the fence on whether or not to buy Three Houses, with Byleth's inclusion being what ultimately persuaded them to get it. Since Corrin received such intense backlash, Nintendo probably wanted to announce Byleth a bit later to make the promotion a bit less transparent.

Also hey Isaac Bros! I've been lurking here for the past couple days and thought that I'd drop in and say that this thread is absolutely killer. I'm amazed at how well you all have been able to keep the support going, while most fan bases have just surrendered. Isaac is still my most wanted character, and while the Grinch leak really did put a damper on my enthusiasm, I'm absolutely thrilled to see all the progress with Golden Sunday and that there is still hope for a new Golden Sun and a playable Isaac. You guys are bonkers in the best way.
 
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When you're included before your game comes out, it's safe to say it was either for promotional or padding reasons. The latter doesn't really fit Byleth, but the former definitely does.

Byleth is interesting because they weren't added in advance to push their game like Corrin, but rather, to have a character from a game people were playing. It's still a bit of a promotion, but compared to Corrin and arguably Hero, they're not screaming "BUY OUR GAME" directly to your face.
Tbf Fates was already out in Japan before Corrin was added.

Also hey Isaac Bros! I've been lurking here for the past couple days and thought that I'd drop in and say that this thread is absolutely killer. I'm amazed at how well you all have been able to keep the support going, while most fan bases have just surrendered. Isaac is still my most wanted character, and while the Grinch leak really did put a damper on my enthusiasm, I'm absolutely thrilled to see all the progress with Golden Sunday and that there is still hope for a new Golden Sun and a playable Isaac. You guys are bonkers in the best way.
The Isaac train might slow down at points, but it never fully loses steam.
 

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Golden Icarus Golden Icarus Welcome, fellow Adept to the House of the Golden Sun! If you wish to be added to the Isaac supporter list, ask True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior !

The Isaac train might slow down at points, but it never fully loses steam.
Absolutely! We will keep the steam going as long as we need to.
And soon, it will go into hyper overdrive. Can’t wait for that day!
 

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I'm sure some people would complain if Isaac was a "promotional" pick, but let's be real: Every character in Smash has some marketing value in some form and Isaac's popularity (plus the fanrules he'd destroy) would drown out the complaints. I mean, Banjo is the only character whose presentation had Sakurai verbally encourage viewers to "give the game a try" and it's not like people have been running around complaining about that...

I do wonder how fast the turnaround would be if he was FP7 though... Have we had music debut in Smash Bros before appearing in its original game before?
 

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The difference between :ultcorrin: :ultbyleth: and every other character that were DLC was that they were chosen before their debut game were released worldwide and they were specifically cited to be in because of new games, which makes them come across as promotional unlike :ultjoker::ultminmin: who are also new characters, both debuting in the same year.
Golden Icarus Golden Icarus Welcome, fellow Adept to the House of the Golden Sun! If you wish to be added to the Isaac supporter list, ask True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior !



Absolutely! We will keep the steam going as long as we need to.
And soon, it will go into hyper overdrive. Can’t wait for that day!
I’ve already added him, but I am still going to repost the support list.

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Byleth is interesting because they weren't added in advance to push their game like Corrin, but rather, to have a character from a game people were playing. It's still a bit of a promotion, but compared to Corrin and arguably Hero, they're not screaming "BUY OUR GAME" directly to your face.
The pass was decided well before his game released. They clearly were still supporting the game with DLC. That roadmap was clearly in place before Byleth was decided. This is just as blatant as Hero and Corrin. It was for the exact same goal.
 
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It is interesting, but Byleth's announcement still seemed like a promotional push to me. I know a decent number of people who were on the fence on whether or not to buy Three Houses, with Byleth's inclusion being what ultimately persuaded them to get it. Since Corrin received such intense backlash, Nintendo probably wanted to announce Byleth a bit later to make the promotion a bit less transparent.

Also hey Isaac Bros! I've been lurking here for the past couple days and thought that I'd drop in and say that this thread is absolutely killer. I'm amazed at how well you all have been able to keep the support going, while most fan bases have just surrendered. Isaac is still my most wanted character, and while the Grinch leak really did put a damper on my enthusiasm, I'm absolutely thrilled to see all the progress with Golden Sunday and that there is still hope for a new Golden Sun and a playable Isaac. You guys are bonkers in the best way.
Welcome aboard!
And to be fair, basically anyone who isn't Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, or Splatoon can get a push from Smash. Byleth just feels that way more because they were chosen in advance.
Tbf Fates was already out in Japan before Corrin was added.
It was mostly trying to push Fire Emblem in the West, since over there it was on the edge of becoming a cash cow but they needed to keep the post-Awkening hype train going. Since Fates hadn't gotten out of Japan yet, there was more room for a push.
 

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With Byleth he was clearly decided on before his game released and its probably a relief to them that people actually ended up loving the game. As a Fire Emblem representative its a good inclusion finally including weapons not featured by any other FE rep but the stigma around Fire Emblem in Smash is what soured his inclusion for many
 

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My biggest issue with the whole Byleth thing was that it really was a blatant repeat of the whole Corrin situation, but even worse because it flew in the face of the reasoning for why Rex, who was specifically stated to be someone they wanted in Smash, was ultimately not part of the roster - his game came out too late. Except Three Houses came even later, and when they made that statement Byleth had presumably already been selected as part of the pass, so now they seem to be flagrantly lying. And yes, I was also salty that Fire Emblem got yet another character, while series with little playable representation (Xenoblade), neglected representation (Zelda, Kirby), or no representation (any Nintendo series that doesn't yet have a playable character, including our Golden Sun) were passed over. Honestly it was kinda the last straw for me, and I told myself I would specifically not purchase Byleth unless against all odds Isaac or another GS character winds up as DLC later.

And now that I've actually gotten around to playing Three Houses I actually wanna play Byleth in Smash now so fingers crossed Isaac makes it after all, even if it must come with the irony of being a promo pick
 

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My biggest issue with the whole Byleth thing was that it really was a blatant repeat of the whole Corrin situation, but even worse because it flew in the face of the reasoning for why Rex, who was specifically stated to be someone they wanted in Smash, was ultimately not part of the roster - his game came out too late. Except Three Houses came even later, and when they made that statement Byleth had presumably already been selected as part of the pass, so now they seem to be flagrantly lying. And yes, I was also salty that Fire Emblem got yet another character, while series with little playable representation (Xenoblade), neglected representation (Zelda, Kirby), or no representation (any Nintendo series that doesn't yet have a playable character, including our Golden Sun) were passed over. Honestly it was kinda the last straw for me, and I told myself I would specifically not purchase Byleth unless against all odds Isaac or another GS character winds up as DLC later.

And now that I've actually gotten around to playing Three Houses I actually wanna play Byleth in Smash now so fingers crossed Isaac makes it after all, even if it must come with the irony of being a promo pick
Sakurai did get to play early development versions of BotW and FE3H, but as far as we know he got nothing of the sort for XC2.
 
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The majority of these DLC characters have felt like a promotion in some way, shape, or form to me. Whether they're an ad for the Fighter's Pass itself (Joker, Terry, Banjo) or for games on the Switch (Byleth, Hero, Min Min). Some characters are chosen because their games, or the characters themselves, are popular which means more people are going to be more inclined to buy the pass - and others are chosen because they want to promote other games to sell us. They wanna draw new people in, and get the people already drawn in to spend more money on other things.

I honestly don't think there's much more too it than that. Maybe at one point Smash was a way to celebrate gaming, (maybe the base roster, or Spirits and the like, of a Smash title is better suited to that these days) but lets face it; not with Nintendo at the helm of (DLC) character choices. They're just not going to pick some rando unless they have a big fan base from which Nintendo can extract cashmons.

The only outlier of the six pass characters so far, in my opinion, is kiiiind of Terry. But that's mostly just because I don't remember him being requested, and I'm not familiar with his series enough to claim anything one way or another regarding his inclusion. My guess is there's a lot of KoF fans and Nintendo wanted to spread another tentacle sucker in that direction. Everyone else - even someone like Joker who was a complete surprise - makes total sense to me. He wasn't a Smash fan requested character, but Persona is a big name and has been having a good show of it lately, I'm sure Nintendo just wanted to draw in that crowd of rabid Persona fans.

I guess the moral of my rant here is I don't subscribe to the notion of "Smash is a celebration of gaming!" or "Publishers/Developers all need a rep!" or whatever. Nintendo don't give a hoot, a holler, nor a poop about any of that. They just want our money, and if our money is tied to popular or historic characters then great, they can send their suckers to feed at their leisure. If not, oh well, they've got bigger fish to fry.

If it were still Sakurai deciding DLC characters, I wouldn't feel this way. But I think the days of Smash being the child of Sakurai alone are over.

All that said, it bodes well for Isaac! If he's getting a new game, and he already has a big fan base, then he kills two birds with one stone! Should be a lock!

On another note, I know I'm biased, but Fire Emblem having the characters it has isn't that big of a deal. I wish their movesets were more unique, but otherwise it's not the end of the bloody world. If Final Fantasy was a Nintendo only thing we'd be seeing a bunch of those characters instead. Not only that but if Golden Sun was the go-to JRPG of Nintendo we'd be seeing Isaac, and Felix, and Matthew, and everyone would be ******** about "those orange/brown haired sword fighters!" It's just one of those franchises that has a new cast every game or so, and Ultimate happened to have everyone. They would have dropped half of them otherwise. New game means another opportunity, because Nintendo wants to sell games and DLC for that sweet sweeeet greengreen! They're doing the exact same thing with Pokemon. I feel like it just helps solidify my point.

On an unrelated note: I'm replaying Golden Sun. It still holds up! I just got into Xian. I plan to 100% it.
 

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The majority of these DLC characters have felt like a promotion in some way, shape, or form to me. Whether they're an ad for the Fighter's Pass itself (Joker, Terry, Banjo) or for games on the Switch (Byleth, Hero, Min Min). Some characters are chosen because their games, or the characters themselves, are popular which means more people are going to be more inclined to buy the pass - and others are chosen because they want to promote other games to sell us. They wanna draw new people in, and get the people already drawn in to spend more money on other things.

I honestly don't think there's much more too it than that. Maybe at one point Smash was a way to celebrate gaming, (maybe the base roster, or Spirits and the like, of a Smash title is better suited to that these days) but lets face it; not with Nintendo at the helm of (DLC) character choices. They're just not going to pick some rando unless they have a big fan base from which Nintendo can extract cashmons.

The only outlier of the six pass characters so far, in my opinion, is kiiiind of Terry. But that's mostly just because I don't remember him being requested, and I'm not familiar with his series enough to claim anything one way or another regarding his inclusion. My guess is there's a lot of KoF fans and Nintendo wanted to spread another tentacle sucker in that direction. Everyone else - even someone like Joker who was a complete surprise - makes total sense to me. He wasn't a Smash fan requested character, but Persona is a big name and has been having a good show of it lately, I'm sure Nintendo just wanted to draw in that crowd of rabid Persona fans.

I guess the moral of my rant here is I don't subscribe to the notion of "Smash is a celebration of gaming!" or "Publishers/Developers all need a rep!" or whatever. Nintendo don't give a hoot, a holler, nor a poop about any of that. They just want our money, and if our money is tied to popular or historic characters then great, they can send their suckers to feed at their leisure. If not, oh well, they've got bigger fish to fry.

If it were still Sakurai deciding DLC characters, I wouldn't feel this way. But I think the days of Smash being the child of Sakurai alone are over.

All that said, it bodes well for Isaac! If he's getting a new game, and he already has a big fan base, then he kills two birds with one stone! Should be a lock!

On another note, I know I'm biased, but Fire Emblem having the characters it has isn't that big of a deal. I wish their movesets were more unique, but otherwise it's not the end of the bloody world. If Final Fantasy was a Nintendo only thing we'd be seeing a bunch of those characters instead. Not only that but if Golden Sun was the go-to JRPG of Nintendo we'd be seeing Isaac, and Felix, and Matthew, and everyone would be ******** about "those orange/brown haired sword fighters!" It's just one of those franchises that has a new cast every game or so, and Ultimate happened to have everyone. They would have dropped half of them otherwise. New game means another opportunity, because Nintendo wants to sell games and DLC for that sweet sweeeet greengreen! They're doing the exact same thing with Pokemon. I feel like it just helps solidify my point.

On an unrelated note: I'm replaying Golden Sun. It still holds up! I just got into Xian. I plan to 100% it.
1) I... don't think it counts as promotion if the character is just trying to sell Smash/the pass. That's the intent of every addition from a marketing standpoint. Sure they promote the product therein, but that's just how advertising generally works. The "promotional" characters are those added deliberately to direct attention to recent or upcoming releases other than Smash.

But yeah, they want to pick characters that will attract the audience. Ideally they want to attract many different possible demographics and subsets of an audience, which is why you see a wide net being cast.

2) If Golden Sun does get a new game and you proceed thinking Isaac is therefore a lock, you very well might find yourself at a loss when all is said and done. Classifying a character as a lock is something people can get a bit too cavalier about imo.

3) Final Fantasy is a much bigger series than Fire Emblem. Were it first-party, I don't think people would bat an eye at it having the same quantity FE currently does. But you're right, were it Golden Sun in FE's position, people would be complaining about it - because it's not the series itself that prompts the chagrin in most people, but the perceived overabundance of it. It's not people's issue with FE so much as it is an issue with disproportion, so another series in its place, be it as or less successful, would indeed incite similar complaints.
 

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1) I... don't think it counts as promotion if the character is just trying to sell Smash/the pass. That's the intent of every addition from a marketing standpoint. Sure they promote the product therein, but that's just how advertising generally works. The "promotional" characters are those added deliberately to direct attention to recent or upcoming releases other than Smash.

But yeah, they want to pick characters that will attract the audience. Ideally they want to attract many different possible demographics and subsets of an audience, which is why you see a wide net being cast.

2) If Golden Sun does get a new game and you proceed thinking Isaac is therefore a lock, you very well might find yourself at a loss when all is said and done. Classifying a character as a lock is something people can get a bit too cavalier about imo.

3) Final Fantasy is a much bigger series than Fire Emblem. Were it first-party, I don't think people would bat an eye at it having the same quantity FE currently does. But you're right, were it Golden Sun in FE's position, people would be complaining about it - because it's not the series itself that prompts the chagrin in most people, but the perceived overabundance of it. It's not people's issue with FE so much as it is an issue with disproportion, so another series in its place, be it as or less successful, would indeed incite similar complaints.
1) My point was that Terry and Joker are drawing people outside of the community into the community, and while Banjo does the same to a lesser extent, he ensures Smash fans, who already wanted Banjo, buy the pass. My overall point is that Nintendo only cares about how marketable these characters are. It's my counter to the notion that Smash is here to celebrate gaming history, or trying to get a rep from every developer like a lot of people want to believe. People want to think there's something more to it than marketing - I don't think there is.

2) Trust me, I'm not claiming Isaac is a lock, because I'm not claiming to know exactly how Nintendo feels about these DLC characters - I AM expressing my instincts and opinions about a company that I believe doesn't give a **** about who the fans think deserve to be in as much as it does about what characters are going to sell products. If Isaac is getting a game, following my own logic and thoughts, he should be a lock. He might not be - I might be wrong, which is fine. I mean I'll riot without Isaac, but I'll be fine about being wrong that the Fighter's Pass is all about marketing something to someone.

3) Perhaps - but I'm not totally convinced it's just how popular or successful the series is in comparison to others. I think plenty would be upset about a ton of Final Fantasy characters even though it's a larger franchise. People have complained about all the Pokemon in Smash, though they're certainly helped by the fact that they each operate and look differently. I think a large part of it is people want to believe Smash is all about representing all these franchises and games across gaming history, and Fire Emblem is taking away other character's opportunities! However, I don't think it is in its current state, and I think Fire Emblem helps prove that - they just wanna push those games.
 

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2) Trust me, I'm not claiming Isaac is a lock, because I'm not claiming to know exactly how Nintendo feels about these DLC characters - I AM expressing my instincts and opinions about a company that I believe doesn't give a **** about who the fans think deserve to be in as much as it does about what characters are going to sell products. If Isaac is getting a game, following my own logic and thoughts, he should be a lock. He might not be - I might be wrong, which is fine. I mean I'll riot without Isaac, but I'll be fine about being wrong that the Fighter's Pass is all about marketing something to someone.
What's interesting is Dawn Dawn was released close to Smash 4 development (and Sakurai chose two newcomers that had games released around the same year). Xenoblade did have a new game entry that would come out the next year but Little Mac's last game was 2009, while Dark Dawn was 2010 and Punch Out didn't see any new releases on 3DS or Wii U (but Golden Sun randomly got dropped in the Wii U virtual console a few months before Smash 4's release). And yet not only does Isaac not get a playable spot, he loses his assist trophy. I often think about that cause it feels like a double whammy for the game argument lol.

Though Isaac being irrelevant and having a dead series were always big things thrown in supporters face when it came to Isaac's inclusion in Smash of course most felt like Golden Sun never had much of a shot at returning, going on ten years with no new game release. Fast forward to now with strong evidence of a new game on the horizon and I'm thinking hm, if this is the main reason Isaac has been held back from Smash, then naturally he should be on the pass. If it was always about Isaac not having a shiny new game to promote, then I would think Nintendo would want him as DLC, when they finally do have that. Unless they're that confident on all the fans coming out the woodwork and see no need lol. Anyways since It's been one of the main reasons the community will use against Isaac having no shot at being in Smash, and a new game comes out and Isaac still doesn't make the cut, well I still say Sakurai is Isaac's biggest obstacle lol.

It seems being liked by Sakurai in general, the nostalgia for the character or series goes a long way, especially after reading why he chose Little Mac in the first place. Maybe there's a chance that Sakurai was able to play this new Golden Sun ahead of time and that further helps Isaac's inclusion for the pass, unless Nintendo promotion and a double reveal becomes a reality.
 

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I’ll never count on the idea of Isaac as a promotional character. The only characters that got in as DLC are characters from franchises that had recent successful titles and this were safe choices as their franchises had brighter futures. We didn’t get a character like Chibi Robo, Henry Fleming or even the Inkling (despite the fact her franchise was always intended to be major) as Smash 4 DLC, but :ultcorrin:, and Fire Emblem Awakening was a recent success back in 2015 that saved the franchise. We didn’t get Akira Howard or the Ring Fit Trainee as the promotional DLC for Fighter Pass 1, but :ultbyleth: and Fire Emblem Heroes was one of Nintendo’s most profitable mobile game. Fire Emblem Warriors and Shadows of Valentia were also successful and all this was observable back in 2018. Therefore, both these characters would have been seen as “safer“ choices, and Nintendo isn’t about taking risks just because.

Not only are promotional DLC characters rare, but truthfully speaking, Isaac wouldn’t make sense as a promotional character. The issue here is that Golden Sun hasn’t had a successful title since 2002-2003 (the release dates of Lost Age) and its last title, released in 2010, was a commercial failure. Since then, practically nothing had been done with the franchise outside of minor cameos. Without a new, successful title (which there are none) there is simply no incentive for Nintendo to choose Isaac over characters from franchises with much more clearer futures, more recent successful titles and thus “more obvious marketability”. Even if the upcoming game ended up successful enough to save the franchise from extinction, it will only be relevant for the next game.

Unless the fan demand is strong enough for Nintendo to decide on Isaac, because that is currently really all he has at this point to convince them.
 

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Isaac would be promotional as a result of coincidence rather than being in as a promotional character.

Also, Dark Dawn was not a commercial failure. This is very common rhetoric, but that does not make it true. Selling less than its predecessors does NOT mean it failed. It merely had typical sales for a JRPG. Camelot just saw the HD era hitting Nintendo and needed to make more sports games in order to be able to adjust, and now they have.
 

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By the way. I first played Golden Sun around seven years ago and didn't finish it. I was far from home and had other things to do and discover.

You guys made me want to try again. I did, and I recently finished the first game for the first time. Thanks to your passion, I gave this masterpiece the second chance it deserved. I'm one of yours now, I want Isaac in Smash!

... And I also want to find a copy of The Lost Age, because this is the worst goddamned cliffhanger I have ever seen in a video game!
 
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By the way. I first played Golden Sun around seven years ago and didn't finish it. I was far from home and had other things to do and discover.

You guys made me want to try again. I did, and I recently finished the first game for the first time. Thanks to your passion, I gave this masterpiece the second chance it deserved. I'm one of yours now, I want Isaac in Smash!

... And I also want to find a copy of The Lost Age, because this is the worst goddamned cliffhanger I have ever seen in a video game!
Glad to have you with us! And congrats on finishing the first Golden Sun. Make sure you keep that save data for whenever you can find a copy of Lost Age so you can transfer stuff over. Though speaking of, if you have a Wii U you could actually purchase Lost Age on the Virtual Console there. If not though, I wish you luck finding a copy.

And... yeah, the cliffhanger for Broken Seal was pretty bad, looking back. But fortunately Lost Age came soon after. Too bad the same can't be said for for Dark Dawn - that one is honestly even worse, and not just because we've been missing a followup for 10 years.
 

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It felt worse because it ended on a stinger, the first one ends openly, in a call for adventure like "and so they sailed to continue their quest!" in dark dawn it's more of a litteral cliffhanger. Situation is dire, and we have a lot more questions. If it had ended before the final bit of the cutscene it would have been "fine".
 

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Been wondering when to get back on Golden Sun: Lost Age myself.... I finally happened to retrieve the almost decade-old save from Broken Seal that I could use to transferr data into Lost Age, but hadn't had much reason to revisit the series due general mixed feelings with Nintendo's treatment of their non-mainstream IPs since last decade. That was until the recurring rumors about the new game kept only on going. Still very hype-inducing to think about.



As of recent times I had generally left the speculation scene since Banjo-Kazooie's reveals and release, since I've come to settle on feeling my two decade-long wants of Toad and Dixie Kong just aren't in the radar of interest for both Nintendo and Sakurai, based on the marketing possibilities among other factors that we don't know about. :urg:
While this has left me chugging along with :ultbanjokazooie: and :ultrichter: in somewhat content terms (if only due feeling purely lucky by this point, since I dunno if to discuss about possible newcomer candidates in terms of "sensibility" anymore post-November 2018 Direct after seeing likes of Piranha Plant and Joker) - I might be following on here mainly on the prospect of seeing this rumored new Golden Sun-installment emerge from development, over rallying for Isaac to be part of the Second Pass as a playable DLC:

With Spring Man getting booted back to his Assist Trophy-status in Min Min's reveal trailer, it hasn't done much favors to convince me about the possibility of seeing Assist Trophies upgraded during a single Smash-game's life cycle, compared to Zard's, Little Mac's or Isabelle's jumps from their NPC-statuses to playable between Melee, Brawl and 4 respectively. Honestly, it'd be nothing short of amazing in case Isaac gets to be on the Second Pass, as that'd make him first character to break this consistent rule so far.




(Now of course, we had :ultminmin be revered for eons as a savior for many supporting fanbases of Spirit-fied characters, but I've always felt correlating same to already modeled + programmed-in NPC-role of a quest character felt, kinda ineffective as an effective argument - but even then I could chalk someone like Kamek having higher chance than any Assist Trophy, in case most would discuss how Piranha Plant was still a stage hazard in N64 Mushroom Kingdom prior to being a surprise addition of Ultimate)


In any case, I'd be mainly happier to see GS get a new game after such long time of dormancy, signaling that it can stand among another long-running and highly revered JRPG IP on Nintendo's catalog these days.
Sure, Isaac in playable status would be darn beautiful: but at this point it'd be more a huge bonus in my eyes, and perhaps a nicer aftermath to how most of the mainstream Nintendo-fans have essentially forgotten about him since the Grinch Leak... though not before making fun of his deconfirmed status along Shadow The Hedgehog and more, because :ultpiranha: made the fanbases of those characters in that Leak look such a joke back then.

 
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Glad to have you with us! And congrats on finishing the first Golden Sun. Make sure you keep that save data for whenever you can find a copy of Lost Age so you can transfer stuff over. Though speaking of, if you have a Wii U you could actually purchase Lost Age on the Virtual Console there. If not though, I wish you luck finding a copy.

And... yeah, the cliffhanger for Broken Seal was pretty bad, looking back. But fortunately Lost Age came soon after. Too bad the same can't be said for for Dark Dawn - that one is honestly even worse, and not just because we've been missing a followup for 10 years.
Thanks! I don't have a Wii U, unfortunately, but I will find the game sooner or later, I guess. Or it will be remastered on Switch, fingers crossed!
 

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A robin fighting Robin. The irony. Lmao

I have zero doubts at all that Golden Sun will return very soon. It’s all a matter of “WHEN” not “IF”. We just have to play the waiting game for the moment, Adepts. ;)
Nintendo would be wise to add Isaac in the Pass to go along the new GS game. If that’s what it takes to get Isaac in, so be it. He’s the FINAL character I’ve been wanting for over 15 years to be playable in Smash. There are many other characters I’d love to see get in too like, Doom Slayer, Juno/Vela (Jet Force Gemini), Sora, Shadow, Waluigi, Geno, etc. and I would still support them. But I’m also getting too old for these things. Just getting Isaac (and GS returning) would finally put my gamer heart to rest knowing my waiting/campaigning for it all would have been worth it.

By the way. I first played Golden Sun around seven years ago and didn't finish it. I was far from home and had other things to do and discover.

You guys made me want to try again. I did, and I recently finished the first game for the first time. Thanks to your passion, I gave this masterpiece the second chance it deserved. I'm one of yours now, I want Isaac in Smash!

... And I also want to find a copy of The Lost Age, because this is the worst goddamned cliffhanger I have ever seen in a video game!
That’s so awesome you finished the first GS game! You are now officially an Adept like us! Are you in the support list by any chance?
Just know that GS and The Lost Age were meant to be one game at the time, but it was too big to fit in the GBA cartrage. So they split it into two games instead. So, the “cliffhanger” is not bad compared to Dark Dawn unfortunately...
 
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A robin fighting Robin. The irony. Lmao

I have zero doubts at all that Golden Sun will return very soon. It’s all a matter of “WHEN” not “IF”. We just have to play the waiting game for the moment, Adepts. ;)
Nintendo would be wise to add Isaac in the Pass to go along the new GS game. If that’s what it takes to get Isaac in, so be it. He’s the FINAL character I’ve been wanting for over 15 years to be playable in Smash. There are many other characters I’d love to see get in too like, Doom Slayer, Juno/Vela (Jet Force Gemini), Sora, Shadow, Waluigi, Geno, etc. and I would still support them. But I’m also getting too old for these things. Just getting Isaac (and GS returning) would finally put my gamer heart to rest knowing my waiting/campaigning for it all would have been worth it.


That’s so awesome you finished the first GS game! You are now officially an Adept like us! Are you in the support list by any chance?
Just know that GS and The Lost Age were meant to be one game at the time, but it was too big to fit in the GBA cartrage. So they split it into two games instead. So, the “cliffhanger” is not bad compared to Dark Dawn unfortunately...
I'd like to take a moment to thank you for creating this image:
IsaacNani.jpg

I've been getting so much mileage out of it lately.
 

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Golden Icarus Golden Icarus Welcome, fellow Adept to the House of the Golden Sun! If you wish to be added to the Isaac supporter list, ask True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior !



Absolutely! We will keep the steam going as long as we need to.
And soon, it will go into hyper overdrive. Can’t wait for that day!
One can only hope so. Even after reading everything that Golden Sun on Switch seems like a decently high possibility, I've been trying to keep my expectations in check. :D
 

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A robin fighting Robin. The irony. Lmao

I have zero doubts at all that Golden Sun will return very soon. It’s all a matter of “WHEN” not “IF”. We just have to play the waiting game for the moment, Adepts. ;)
Nintendo would be wise to add Isaac in the Pass to go along the new GS game. If that’s what it takes to get Isaac in, so be it. He’s the FINAL character I’ve been wanting for over 15 years to be playable in Smash. There are many other characters I’d love to see get in too like, Doom Slayer, Juno/Vela (Jet Force Gemini), Sora, Shadow, Waluigi, Geno, etc. and I would still support them. But I’m also getting too old for these things. Just getting Isaac (and GS returning) would finally put my gamer heart to rest knowing my waiting/campaigning for it all would have been worth it.


That’s so awesome you finished the first GS game! You are now officially an Adept like us! Are you in the support list by any chance?
Just know that GS and The Lost Age were meant to be one game at the time, but it was too big to fit in the GBA cartrage. So they split it into two games instead. So, the “cliffhanger” is not bad compared to Dark Dawn unfortunately...
I'm not on the list yet but I would like to be added.

Yeah, when I first finished the game I was like : "... wait, what?" It's also very wierd that if you save your progression in the last town after the last fight, there is no going back. Luckily for me, I had saved on another file right before this fight, so I could catch the missing Djinns anyway (but I seem to have definitively lost some pieces of equipment, which bothers me).
 

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I'm not on the list yet but I would like to be added.

Yeah, when I first finished the game I was like : "... wait, what?" It's also very wierd that if you save your progression in the last town after the last fight, there is no going back. Luckily for me, I had saved on another file right before this fight, so I could catch the missing Djinns anyway (but I seem to have definitively lost some pieces of equipment, which bothers me).
Imagine how fun the GS1 cliffhanger was for us fans that first beat the game before GS2 was even close to releasing. >_>
 

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  564. TimeSmash
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  566. Tiymako
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  569. Tornado_Man
  570. Travix Man
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  581. valkiriforce
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  627. ZeldaMaster
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