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I also think it's basically impossible, unless they swap Isaac's AT for Matthew. But it won't happen. Sakurai said beforehand that the DLC characters are already decided upon. Fan imput won't change a thing.
Fair enough. Sakurai could decide "let's make Isaac playable" and remove him from the assist trophies. I dare not hope so though. They went through the trouble of updating his trophy moveset so that does not bode well...
Hard to say. A lot of us thought he'd be old enough to be 'retro' in this game. It's just that Sakurai (and a lot of the general public, for that matter) still consider 'retro' to basically just mean the 80s. So at this point, it isn't a matter of how old GS actually is, but whether or not the perception of what's retro changes.
I'm aware, just that the way he put it sounded condescending considering how he acted like none of the more popular assist trophies wouldn't have made it in as DLC even if they weren't assists. In Isaac's case it seems very slim in that regard, but at the very least I wouldn't outright dismiss his or others' chances.
Look below, SpaceKingScot brought up some interesting points. also, more sales not always equals to more representation
It doesn't (considering things like the company's willingness to make sequels) , but at the very least it can shut down the "poor sales" argument.
People still make that stupid argument? Never-mind Mother got a lot of stuff while selling nothing. Golden Sun sold well, the problem isn't that. Its fanbase is definitely quieter than some and it didn't left the impact Mother or Fire Emblem did, but it still deserves representation in Smash more than AT and music (but they are good starts).
Sadly I have seen many comments talk about Golden Sun dying as a franchise because of poor sales (articles, forum comments, youtube comments, etc). I also agree, especially considering the drop in interest for the series as a whole over time. If only there weren't such a huge gap between the second and third installments and/or the game released on the 3DS instead. This would have potentially attracted more of the community from the GBA days as well as newer people into the series.
What exactly are the details on this? My understanding was that Nintendo owns the Golden sun IP. In which case, couldn't Nintendo simply have another developer make the next Golden Sun game, if they wanted another? I always assumed that Camelot has been making Mario Sports titles because that's what Nintendo wants them to do, not the other way around.
Yeah, but Nintendo has a lot of old titles collecting dust, why they should pay attention to GS specifically? Nintendo needs to see a demand for the franchise or more traditional RPGs in general, which admittedly, is not easy.
Isaac (Obviously)
I'm not trying to imply that Golden Sun fans would be better served by having a new developer make the next GS game in lieu of Camelot. Simply that if Nintendo ultimately controls the IP, I have a hard time seeing the death of the IP being the fault of any entity other than Nintendo. It's possibly Camelot could push for it more or harder, but again my understanding anyway was that it was ultimately up to Nintendo for it to be made, with Camelot or otherwise.
A by the numbers analysis won’t work here. What needs considered is mindshare. Golden sun may have sold 1.7 million copies. But of those 1.7 million, how many people among them would still actively identify as a golden sun fan? If 100,000 people voted for Isaac in the fighter ballot, would it not be fair to call them the last golden sun fans in the world? Mindshare is the biggest factor here. How many people bought the gba Classic when it’s arrived. And how many more remember and still talk abbout the IP.
No, this is completely ridiculous and stupid. The ballot was targeting Smash fans specifically and was telling people to vote once. People can be fans of numerous different things. I'm a Golden Sun fan but I voted for King K. Rool because I wanted him more. (I also voted for Isaac later but some people won't do this.)
Yes, Nintendo could put someone else on it in theory, but Camelot has all the storyline ideas in place. And despite owning a number of different IP, they respect the wishes of the creators. For example, Nintendo let Rare do whatever they wished with Rare characters and did not touch those characters. As such, Nintendo didn't actively start using Diddy Kong until the Rare buyout.
Technically Chrom proves they don't even need to remove the AT. Also, the AT could actually as a basis for the DLC character. They could even replace the AT with Garrett for example. There's a number of things they could do.
I agree to an extent, which is to say raw numbers won't tell us the whole story. But let's be real, people can be a fan of multiple things at once. Just because someone didn't vote for Isaac in the Smash ballot doesn't imply that they can't be Golden Sun fans.
Jon pisses me off because he was always so quick to discount Isaac for not being relevant enough anymore, yet he’s all aboard on Geno DLC despite the fact that Geno is faaaaaaar more irrelevant outside of the Smash community than Isaac.
Mindshare is an actual term. It refers to the quantity of the public that is invested mentally, one way or another. It’s a very important factor when say, analyzing the sales of casual games like yearly sport style titles despite how terrible microtrasactions can get within. Or say, when examining why Nvidia GPU’s sell so much better than AMD cards despite costing hundreds more for a few FPS better. In both of those cases, it’s a matter of mindshare. Loyalty to a brand created by agressiv marketing by said brand. A madden fan doesn’t care if the microtrasactions make the game unplayable. He is sold because he is a madden fan, and the marketing made him so. Likewise, an Nvidia fan doesn’t care if prices keep rising and performance increases keep getting smaller, they are a fan, and will remain a fan because of the marketing, the media, and all surrounding material saying that they are the best.
Here I thought he wouldn't throw the relevancy argument around to discount any chance Isaac has as someone who is a "fan" of the series. Honestly he really should make up his mind.
I'd choose:
No worries. It's easier or harder for many to recover from a blow like that. I hope you'll get that passion back soon and also fight alongside us to get Golden Sun back and have Isaac's name on everyone's minds.
If a business ignores 1.7 million sales because said fanbase isn’t loud, they aren’t doing business properly.
You are failing to consider the fact that Golden Sun is an IP that is not a priority. The first title sold well. This is true. But the only way that new entries, or promotions like smash can be justified, is if the hardcore audience is loud enough to indicate that a market for said content still exists. Mario and Zelda fans don't need to campaign for new content it just happens andthey support it. Metroid fans for instance, do. If an IP isn't a priority, and you don't have fans begging for more. More will not be capable of being justified to a table of business suits, and by extension more will not be created. And that is sadly a fact. They could produce a fourth golden sun, but if no one is asking for it, it will be seen as a frivolous venture. Even if previous content sold well. The decay of demand has stronger implications on the long term viability of a IP to a business than even the raw numbers do. It's basic consumerism.
Priority only exists if you will it. At some point in time, Metroid and Donkey Kong got priority, and then lost it for some unexplained reason. Now it’s Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing. We’re subject to the whims of the company.
Is there a specific date for that?
Yep, it's still happening
Or the whims of the Takahashi brothers. Golden Sun is not really a game that can be given priority, at least not something the brothers would be able to handle, stating how much effort goes into rpgs and creating this story and needing time to put the ideas together which is where this demand for Golden Sun 4 comes in, they'll do it if enough fans request it but it'll still take time to develop the story lore and it's likely why this series may never be passed on to any other developer, despite the Monolith Soft suggestion, the brothers have the lore.
The GBA is the 10th best selling Video Game console of all time, and the 4th best selling Nintendo console (5th if you count the GB and GBC as separate).
On one hand, beggars can't be choosers. So a lot of us would be okay with Matthew. But on the other hand, if Matthew got in there'd be absolutely no reason not to include Isaac as either an Echo or an alt costume, so it would be incredibly weird if Matthew got in but not Isaac. Isaac's the one most people voted on, and he's the face of the series. I said in an earlier post that it would be like adding Roy without Marth in Melee.
While it is completely true that people rarely go from actively enjoying something, to actively hating it. The question that is raised in this instance, is simply, has Golden Sun's older, stronger fandom simply moved on? The children who may have played Golden Sun, could have grown up to become Fire Emblen and Xenoblade fans very easily. Could it be that this series was a product of it's time, and as such, is incapable of existing in full force in our modern era? I would so no outright, as a good RPG will always attract and audience. But it's very telling that Golden Sun reddit, our de facto home base, only has 5 thousand subs. Just how many people left are there that remember golden sun? How many allowed the series to enter the confines of thier heart, over say something like, pokemon. It's been talked about that Pokemon and Final Fantasy's stranglehold on the attention RPG's get is slowly killing smaller series. Could this be a victim of said stranglehold? I don't have all the answers. Not even a lot of them. But I can say that in order for Golden Sun to experience a rebirth, we can't stand by and continue with the silence.
The thing is, not everyone uses Reddit. r/GoldenSun may be "the de facto GS home base" but it's not indicative of Golden Sun's popularity.
Basically same for me
