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Oh, it's not!Pythag
I understand what you're saying but you're not answering the question. For two scum to exist in that 3 you literally need 2 of your scum-scenarios to be true. Why is scum!Logic enough?
Its also makes sense in that he would know boom was town and is hoping people like you would go back and see that and think he is town for town reading him while planning to kill them later that night.
If they would of been able to lynch boom they could of killed fonti that night and got two PR's. I think that would probably be more important to them.Its also makes sense in that he would know boom was town and is hoping people like you would go back and see that and think he is town for town reading him while planning to kill them later that night.
Fair enough, I guess I gave to much cred to the scum team thinking they could push anything.IF they were able to lynch boom which was very unlikely. Sense he was revealed as a PR and there was the whole Handorin situation going on that was going to dominate the lynch. I don't think a scum team tries to push a boom lynch past a handorin lynch there.
*literally exactly why I skipped it tbf XD*Bah, I'll read through the rest before DnD tomorrow and try to get a few posts out. Its late and the Ran V Xivii conversation is hurting my brain again.
Why as mafua would I kill someone who would be helping to keep me from being lynched right now?Its also makes sense in that he would know boom was town and is hoping people like you would go back and see that and think he is town for town reading him while planning to kill them later that night.
I wouldn't know what a scum team thought or wanted to do?IF they were able to lynch boom which was very unlikely. Sense he was revealed as a PR and there was the whole Handorin situation going on that was going to dominate the lynch. I don't think a scum team tries to push a boom lynch past a handorin lynch there.
Half of the votes on Handorin are from the scum team?Now that you mention it I want to update that color thing Wiisp posted based off new info.
Final D1 wagons
Trisscar (1) - Spak
Deadbananas (1) - Sabrar
Handorin (6) - Z25, Xivii, Pythag, Jackrito, Bessie, BoomFrog
Z25 (6) - LaserGuy, Ranmaru, 3DSNinja, Malakandra, Deadbananas, Handorin
Bessie (1) - Trisscar
With logic not voting.
Blue being flipped town, green being people I believe strongly are town, mostly from claims and myself. teal being people I have town leans on, and Orange being scum leans.
I can see a scum team consisting of Logic, Pythag, Xivii and Bessie.
Sabrar shooting DB looks kinda obvious in hindsight but hindsight 2020.
I think I want to look more at the Toko slot since thats a lot of people that are town and I find towney on a most likely town wagon.
Because you have buddies who are scum-read by Boom? Mafia is not solitary, I don't know why you would forget this.Why as mafua would I kill someone who would be helping to keep me from being lynched right now?
Like I get the idea but was killing boom worth losing someone who strongly town read me?
I didn't forget just like im sure you didn't forget I would have influence among my team.Because you have buddies who are scum-read by Boom? Mafia is not solitary, I don't know why you would forget this.
Is it out of the realm of possibility that cleared/confirmed town has an incorrect read?Logic has a cleared town been pushing him for like 2.5 days,
On my home site I am often accused of asking meaningless questions (Jack should also no this karote is one who pushes this often).Logic hasn't really pushed anything and only been asking questions (again, I'm aware that's what I was doing)
Jack should know this is more in line with my town meta than my scum meta.Logic has been pretty antagonistic in his tone, and almost aggressive at times over things that don't make sense to me.
I would say not very well he pushed me hard D1 in our last game together before mafia killed him N1 in an attempt to incriminate me.Jack can I ask you how well you know, or think you know logic's meta?
like scale of 1-10 stuff
I would say a 7, its normally pretty easy to tell when Logic is town by now. No point have I felt that since his initial burst day one.Jack can I ask you how well you know, or think you know logic's meta?
like scale of 1-10 stuff
I do a full review on the game state and look more at the people I have being letting pass like Bessie and Spak. I also rethink my stance on Maka. I feel that my other scum reads still have merit though.Jackrito considering you will more than likely be in the game tomorrow, how do you plan on reevaluating things when I flip town?
What exactly did you hope to gain from doing this? Clearly, it did not work or else you would be dead. Also, 9/10 times this kind of bait doesn't work because it is pretty obvious what your doing.Agree to disagree prob. Mech is how I couch things so I don't end up going through literally every scenario in my head at once. Defining borders is one way the human mind solves problems, and if it happens to hinder your thought processes then I encourage you to ignore posts of mine that do so.
Anyway for those wondering, my plan was formed within about 10 seconds of seeing my Role PM and was based off metas from other mafia-inspired games. As I said before, I did not realize this particular audience would take it like I was yelling fire in a crowded theater. I dunno if the sheer amount of discussion generated helped or hindered more, though I'd like to think I kept the game from being a mostly quiet and boring affair at least, and helped town get more reads off it as well.
The plan was that, since my role had no specific powers and I knew there would be town roles that had them (unless this was an entirely vanilla game, which would be funny admittedly), I would pretend to be a role with important night abilities attempting to "medium bait" to get mafia to kill me off first with their night kill. Thereby giving the actual 'power roles' a chance to use them and report back the next game day, and hopefully advancing town's understanding of the setup in the process. Since a night kill seemed inevitable unless mafia decided to do something weird, this seemed like a reasonable way to divert it to do the least possible damage.
Annnndd, then everyone blew up like a baking soda volcano mixed with nitroglycerin. Must admit it's been a while since I mis-predicted an audience that badly, it's really interesting.
Also nice to see you aren't panicking today Logic, hope you can avoid it in future.
This is slight the stretch, it is like triscc said, it all really depends on the audience. People handle this kind of thing in different ways and it was clearly not how he anticipated this time.Why have you not done this before? Also I will tell you now if you are town it has hindered more and let to a uneeded distraction on your slot that has helped no one but scum to hide behind. Pushing you is so easy people can do it when they don't know what to do and hard to blame them.
This feels like a major cop-out of a read. Not, exactly sure what this means but you were specifically asked for non-mechanical reads. Clearly this is a mechanical read.Town read:
I am reading Fonti as town independent of the Neapolitan claim, so not based on mechanics. I can follow her reasons for claiming her results when she did. I feel she has been has been trying to solve the game.
This is interesting.Was ok with his content through the first half of D2. The first thing that really pinged me was the odd assumption that mods would probably a reroll if the game had all newbies on the scum team. Spak’s not a newbie so I can’t see how he would have thought this, or was making reads based on it. On my home site, if the roles and alignments weren’t distributed randomly it would have been considered a ******* game, and the mod usually made a statement about the random distribution in the OP. The thing that pinged me the more was that he kept pushing for the vig to claim on D2. In post #2114 he said he needed the vig to claim in order to clear Deadbanannas, which I get, but it didn’t need to be on D2. I also don’t like that in playing Wiisp’s game he added more categories which allowed him to hedge a little on his reads.
Logic is not the kind of person to hammer or vote without thinking, that is the problem we face here.If they would of been able to lynch boom they could of killed fonti that night and got two PR's. I think that would probably be more important to them.
How come you come to this conclusion? With the knowledge I have at most I could maybe say Xivii and Pythag are scum on that train.Half of the votes on Handorin are from the scum team?
Is that the meta around here for scum to vote together like that?
Most places I've played mafia try to avoid votongn togegter and usual spread there votes.
Can you reevaluate as if mafia had spread out?
I don't have any issues with this post but I do believe this should be checked by the neopolitan cop.I guess I am in claim territory.
I am a vanilla town.
I have no PR claim or information that will save me.
I didn't forget just like im sure you didn't forget I would have influence among my team.
Who do we vote today then, and we can't leave everything to the Neopoltian cop who can die at anytime. This is the issue with this game from now on, anyone can just claim vanilla town and not have to worry about being lynched. Trisscar is who needs to be sorted by that or by the vig at leastHow come you come to this conclusion? With the knowledge I have at most I could maybe say Xivii and Pythag are scum on that train.
I don't have any issues with this post but I do believe this should be checked by the neopolitan cop.
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It didn't work, because near EoD1 (god or was it EoD2... starting to lose track) a bunch of people started to push for me to be lynched, which most definitely is NOT something that would help town. So I ended up having to explain it all, and Jack and maybe one other person seemed to know what i was doing before I said so. Apparently it is not obvious in the slightest around here. XDWhat exactly did you hope to gain from doing this? Clearly, it did not work or else you would be dead. Also, 9/10 times this kind of bait doesn't work because it is pretty obvious what your doing.
Influence doesn't mean that you necessarily get to make the final decision. So asking why you specifically wouldn't shoot Boom is misleading.I didn't forget just like im sure you didn't forget I would have influence among my team.
Fully agree with this part.Who do we vote today then, and we can't leave everything to the Neopoltian cop who can die at anytime. This is the issue with this game from now on, anyone can just claim vanilla town and not have to worry about being lynched.
I will take this into consideration.Trisscar is who needs to be sorted by that or by the vig at least
I think this is a bad idea as now that everyone knows who the vig is the mafia can just kill the vig if they know he is targeting scum.Anyone want to do a Vig vote today?
It could be like Sabrar said and you he could be pushing your buddies, but also as Xivii said boom was a good player and could of seen through what you were doing.Why as mafua would I kill someone who would be helping to keep me from being lynched right now?
Like I get the idea but was killing boom worth losing someone who strongly town read me?
Just providing reasoning to DB why a scumlogic would be defending boom.I wouldn't know what a scum team thought or wanted to do?
HOw am I supposed to defend against this type of hypothetical
I don't know what the meta around here is, this is my first time playing.Half of the votes on Handorin are from the scum team?
Is that the meta around here for scum to vote together like that?
Most places I've played mafia try to avoid votongn togegter and usual spread there votes.
Can you reevaluate as if mafia had spread out?
I was going to try to believe you were town then I saw this cute little dodge.Anyone want to do a Vig vote today?
I think this is a bad idea as now that everyone knows who the vig is the mafia can just kill the vig if they know he is targeting scum.
it's not like he would have to shoot who we chose just more wine for mafia tonight.You better hope that your what you say you are.
I mean from your PoV anything is possible this is how people wine themselves out of good read through paranoia.It could be like Sabrar said and you he could be pushing your buddies, but also as Xivii said boom was a good player and could of seen through what you were doing.
Logic is not the kind of person to hammer or vote without thinking, that is the problem we face here.
How come you come to this conclusion? With the knowledge I have at most I could maybe say Xivii and Pythag are scum on that train.
Handorin (6) - Z25, Xivii, Pythag, Jackrito, Bessie, BoomFrog
Edit added proper quoteI can see a scum team consisting of Logic, Pythag, Xivii and Bessie.
I can see a scum team consisting of Logic, Pythag, Xivii and Bessie.
I see what you're getting atEdit added proper quote
Help me out here, Toko. Did logic's claim ring true to you? What's the sticking point for you with Logic asking for a vig vote?I was going to try to believe you were town then I saw this cute little dodge.
You better hope that your what you say you are.
I think the claim was done well enough to where I believe it, however, I also agree that decree to get people to vote vig is weird.Help me out here, Toko. Did logic's claim ring true to you? What's the sticking point for you with Logic asking for a vig vote?
Can you elaborate on yours as well.
Aside from what I mentioned earlier, that being that the things I had questions about in my reread, Spak was literally right there asking them.Can you elaborate on yours as well.
I wasn’t reading her townie just based on having results. It was the reasoning in claiming her results when she did, I felt was townie apart from the game mechanics. I also had a town lean on Z25. He was drawing suspicion from many players on D1, but I was seeing it more like enthusiastic and excited to play. In retrospect, maybe his enthusiasm was partially because he got a power role.I should of been clearer. I ment on someone who doesn't have a role related reason for being town, since just ignoring the role wouldn't be very productive.