Stop it with Pacman already!!!!!!

[Caael]

Pac Pix
Bomb, Arrow.

There's 2 moves.

Pac Man World

Hurrah, he's got arms and legs!



Not as illogical as you think

 

[ClarkJables]

ok i forgot bomb (link) and arrow (link)

 

[sugarpoultry]

Pac-Man is one of ze best suggestions I have ever heard of for ze new Smash Bros. game, and the person who is directly responzible for ze making of zis thread is obviously a silly baboons arse of a human being. Let me straighten you out sir, as you are obviously are in need of much guidance and clarity.

Your dismissiveness of zis character is probably directly linked to the fact zat you are nothing but a child. I am guessing you were born in late eighties, or possibly early nineties, hm? Even Mario is older than you sir, and yet you claim to preach such knowledge on ze inclusion of classic icons of videogaming. You accept Mr Game and Watch as a retro icon because Nintendo told you to, because you played Melee and you think you know it all. Firstly, Pac-Man outdates the esteemed Mr G&W by about 4 years. Secondly, Mr G&W is not a tough guy, not a warrior or a superhero fit to fight in the arena of great fighters that SSB is based around: Mr G&W is simply a misfortunate man about ze town, a regular joe who tries every type of career imaginable in order to make some cash. If such a loveable oaf can be featured in Smash, then why not Pac-Man, sir? Should he not be featured just because you don't like him? There are astonishing similarities between good ol' Pac and Kirby - both rotund eating machines that represent ze era of classic gaming. Who are you, child, to say which classic icon is good enough to feature in zis triumphant tribute to videogaming history? Have you ever even played a Pac-Man game, researched it, endowed yourself with the knowledge of it's 1970s-era relevance, as well as it's importance in arcade machines throughout the eighties? You are a simple-minded fool to dismiss Pac-Man, a character who has a greater heritage than any current, past or future Smash fighter, even greater than your hallowed and coveted Sonic the Hedgehog. People like you preach about ze Tom Nooks and Captain Olimars of zis modern age, without ever stopping to appreciate ze true vintage icons that shaped ze industry and skyrocketed zis whole medium into popularity. He may be ze old-school, but he's far from irrelevant, sir. The only irrelevance present here today is your own childish prejudice towards a beloved icon merely because you lack ze respect for him that you should have.

Your main argument seems to stem from ze fact that you don't believe Pac-Man would be a good fighter. Have you no imagination? He's simply ze same sort of character as Kirby - a rotund warrior of virtue with his own trademarks, power-ups, music and classic sound effects that embody his character, sir. Pac-Man can eat - his mouth is unstoppable void of emptiness, a black hole of eternity zat can reduce even ze toughest opponents to nought but a pair of eyes and a numeric score. He has feet and hands, and so can punch and kick, and a large head for butting. Every warrior is comprised of the same repertoir of moves, the A attack, the smash attack, the upB, downB, grab moves, throws and the hallowed Final Smash attack. Pac-Man can incorporate any of these in the same way that unlikely characters like Game and Watch can - drawing on from his vast history of classic games. Disarm your baseless prejudice sir, and accept that SSB is but one thing: A free-for-all battle of industry icons! Klonoa is a lovely little anime furball, but his franchise is infantile compared to Pac-Man. What you have sir, is an insufficient lack of perspective. I cannot stand Captain Falcon, personally - I think he's a soulless incapsulation of camp machismo, aping classic superhero designs whilst he represents a franchise that never needed a face to begin with. He's in it for kitsch value, and to give the overall roster more of a girth of human characters. But do I denounce the Captain? Do I fight for his right to be excluded from the roster? No sir, I do not, because I respect the rights and views of others. I suggest you do ze same.

Whilst I will not be holding my breath, I will be hoping to hear ze familiar and nostalgic 'wakka wakka' emit from a typical Versus skirmish one day. I will shed a joyful tear on that day sir...I will shed a joyful tear. Good day to you.

Eh...... O_O Wow, long, and drawn out. Has good points though. But there is no way Pac Man will be in smash...

 

[CronoMaster]

You dont like pacman, i get that, but ur reasons for him not being on brawl are just not good, in fact, they are pretty bad, and -RBinator- made it very clear a few posts ago, as for the moveset there is just no problem, sakurai only needs one thing for a character to give him a moveset: that the characters exists

As for the look, i dont even wanna get started on that, i mean, u obviously dont played any pacman game but the original one back in 1985

You dont like the yellow guy, thats ok, but u could use better arguments, i dont know, maybe the fact that he is third party makes it less likely, cause there are other most popular 3rd party characters, or somethin like that

I dont particularly want him in, but if he is there, it would be cool, and i think he actually has more chances than many other 3rd parties, even more than the more popular ones (i wont give my reasons now, im lazy XD)

And whenever u think he cannot be in brawl, remember, they put Game & Watch in Melee!!! i mean, what was that thing??? haha and yet he was cool, so anythin can happen in brawl

 

[RBinator]

Eh...... O_O Wow, long, and drawn out. Has good points though. But there is no way Pac Man will be in smash...

Well, since you took the time to bring this topic back, surely you can take the time to explain your reasoning. Even the TC did that, as biased as they were. I'm ready to debunk any arguments I consider flawed.

 

[Xaron Fisk]

Pac-Man is one of ze best suggestions I have ever heard of for ze new Smash Bros. game, and the person who is directly responzible for ze making of zis thread is obviously a silly baboons arse of a human being. Let me straighten you out sir, as you are obviously are in need of much guidance and clarity.

Your dismissiveness of zis character is probably directly linked to the fact zat you are nothing but a child. I am guessing you were born in late eighties, or possibly early nineties, hm? Even Mario is older than you sir, and yet you claim to preach such knowledge on ze inclusion of classic icons of videogaming. You accept Mr Game and Watch as a retro icon because Nintendo told you to, because you played Melee and you think you know it all. Firstly, Pac-Man outdates the esteemed Mr G&W by about 4 years. Secondly, Mr G&W is not a tough guy, not a warrior or a superhero fit to fight in the arena of great fighters that SSB is based around: Mr G&W is simply a misfortunate man about ze town, a regular joe who tries every type of career imaginable in order to make some cash. If such a loveable oaf can be featured in Smash, then why not Pac-Man, sir? Should he not be featured just because you don't like him? There are astonishing similarities between good ol' Pac and Kirby - both rotund eating machines that represent ze era of classic gaming. Who are you, child, to say which classic icon is good enough to feature in zis triumphant tribute to videogaming history? Have you ever even played a Pac-Man game, researched it, endowed yourself with the knowledge of it's 1970s-era relevance, as well as it's importance in arcade machines throughout the eighties? You are a simple-minded fool to dismiss Pac-Man, a character who has a greater heritage than any current, past or future Smash fighter, even greater than your hallowed and coveted Sonic the Hedgehog. People like you preach about ze Tom Nooks and Captain Olimars of zis modern age, without ever stopping to appreciate ze true vintage icons that shaped ze industry and skyrocketed zis whole medium into popularity. He may be ze old-school, but he's far from irrelevant, sir. The only irrelevance present here today is your own childish prejudice towards a beloved icon merely because you lack ze respect for him that you should have.

Your main argument seems to stem from ze fact that you don't believe Pac-Man would be a good fighter. Have you no imagination? He's simply ze same sort of character as Kirby - a rotund warrior of virtue with his own trademarks, power-ups, music and classic sound effects that embody his character, sir. Pac-Man can eat - his mouth is unstoppable void of emptiness, a black hole of eternity zat can reduce even ze toughest opponents to nought but a pair of eyes and a numeric score. He has feet and hands, and so can punch and kick, and a large head for butting. Every warrior is comprised of the same repertoir of moves, the A attack, the smash attack, the upB, downB, grab moves, throws and the hallowed Final Smash attack. Pac-Man can incorporate any of these in the same way that unlikely characters like Game and Watch can - drawing on from his vast history of classic games. Disarm your baseless prejudice sir, and accept that SSB is but one thing: A free-for-all battle of industry icons! Klonoa is a lovely little anime furball, but his franchise is infantile compared to Pac-Man. What you have sir, is an insufficient lack of perspective. I cannot stand Captain Falcon, personally - I think he's a soulless incapsulation of camp machismo, aping classic superhero designs whilst he represents a franchise that never needed a face to begin with. He's in it for kitsch value, and to give the overall roster more of a girth of human characters. But do I denounce the Captain? Do I fight for his right to be excluded from the roster? No sir, I do not, because I respect the rights and views of others. I suggest you do ze same.

Whilst I will not be holding my breath, I will be hoping to hear ze familiar and nostalgic 'wakka wakka' emit from a typical Versus skirmish one day. I will shed a joyful tear on that day sir...I will shed a joyful tear. Good day to you.

zats a spicy meatball. nice post.

 

[Dragon Master Luigi]

It'd be cool if Megaman(i'm not sure if he's a mascot) and Pac-man appeared after Snake and Sonic as third-party.. it would be cool seeing mascots fighting eachother!!

 

[ClarkJables]

i don't know if this has been mentioned or nto but i am going to post it anyway. there is a difference between pacman and captain falcon as far as the car comparison goes. for one thing captain falcon is not only human, thus allowing him to perform a large array of fighting styles already in place, but he is also a bounty hunter giving him experience in fighting. meanwhile, pacman is a yellow ball that runs around a maze eating pellets, sure in his 3d adventures he booty bounced a few times, but who doesn't have a but bounce move these days. and i am sure sakurai could create an awesome moveset for pacman if he really wanted to, but the question is why. pacman is third party, and i doubt any of you want him appearing over fan favorite such as sonic, megaman, or bomberman. not to mention the fact that there are licensing fees involved, and i am sure sega, hudson and maybe capcom would be willing to compromise for the promise of see their character in smash. but i digress...

 

[Dragon Master Luigi]

Its not like any of us have seen Falcon perform his Falcon Punch in the F-Zero games before Smash Bros. 64... Cool to see Sakurai giving him this punch and the Falcon Kick... FALCON!! PUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ClarkJables]

well as i said before, falcon is a bounty hunter in a scifi world who also races cars. its easy to manipulate a character like that into your own. sakurai chosed to turn him into a somewhat flashy man, whos stylised moves suggest that he fights more for fame then for anything else

 

[sugarpoultry]

You dont like pacman, i get that, but ur reasons for him not being on brawl are just not good, in fact, they are pretty bad, and -RBinator- made it very clear a few posts ago, as for the moveset there is just no problem, sakurai only needs one thing for a character to give him a moveset: that the characters exists

As for the look, i dont even wanna get started on that, i mean, u obviously dont played any pacman game but the original one back in 1985

You dont like the yellow guy, thats ok, but u could use better arguments, i dont know, maybe the fact that he is third party makes it less likely, cause there are other most popular 3rd party characters, or somethin like that

I dont particularly want him in, but if he is there, it would be cool, and i think he actually has more chances than many other 3rd parties, even more than the more popular ones (i wont give my reasons now, im lazy XD)

And whenever u think he cannot be in brawl, remember, they put Game & Watch in Melee!!! i mean, what was that thing??? haha and yet he was cool, so anythin can happen in brawl

Wow, when did I ever say I didn't like pacman, the way he looked, his color, any of that? I like the pacman games. They are really fun. You assume too much. I simply don't think he'll be in there. Have you seen ANY reason why he should be in Brawl?

 

[Zoinkslls]

Pac-Man has a moveset, since he appeared in so many gosh darn adventure games... If you played any of them, you'll see he/it has an assortment of moves. Not just punching and stuff, he can like... I dunno, I don't really like Pac-Man, I WANT RICK TAYLOR!

 

[Chaos Paladin]

pacman is real original but he would be boring as hell in brawl. theres absolutely no moveset for him. its like fighting with a tetris block.

 

[CronoMaster]

Wow, when did I ever say I didn't like pacman, the way he looked, his color, any of that? I like the pacman games. They are really fun. You assume too much. I simply don't think he'll be in there. Have you seen ANY reason why he should be in Brawl?

Yeah, ur right, u didnt say u dont like him, but well, ur words kind of expressed it, it can be assumed, and i guess everybody would think the same. but well, maybe im wrong.

But well, u say u see no reason for him to be included...... i would agree back in melee, but for brawl there will be 3rd parties, and well, pacman is just one of the biggest icons of videogaming, u can HARDLY top him, and if thats not reason enough for u i just dont know what is

 

[sugarpoultry]

Sonic has a better chance of being in Brawl than PacMan does. He's more popular by demand. Just because there are a lot of possibilities (3rd parties), doesn't mean every 3rd party has a chance of getting in.

 

[CodaBear17]

You said Pac-man only had to drive a car in Mario Kart, and that it'd be hard to give him a moveset when the same thing could be applied to Captain Falcon eight years ago.

Well Captain Falcon has arms and legs soooo yeah

 

[raphtmarqui]

Nah, id rather somebody else than Pac-Man in brawl. I mean theres so many other better choices.

 

[Pit 42]

I agree that Pac-Man is a bad choice for Brawl. Now Dig Dug, however, is a different story...(sarcasm)

 

[Oasis_S]

Well Captain Falcon has arms and legs soooo yeah

...So does Pac-man.

 

[vesperview]

Hmm... how come people in this forum think they're so intelligent? we're discussing video games to begin with, not biology. God, I don't have to give extremely detailed arguments on why I don't want pacman in the game other than the ones I already stated, is not like my life depends on this.

 

[Oasis_S]

It's that you just don't like Pac-man, and because of that you don't want him in the game. Because of this, you're telling others that they're stupid for supporting such a character. You should have just accepted that you don't like Pac-man, and others do like Pac-man before making this thread. People will support whomever they please.

 

[CodaBear17]

Hmm... how come people in this forum think they're so intelligent? we're discussing video games to begin with, not biology. God, I don't have to give extremely detailed arguments on why I don't want pacman in the game other than the ones I already stated, is not like my life depends on this.

Sir that is a very good Q!

 

[sugarpoultry]

But Pac Man would just be another Kirby, he just eats everything. So it won't be very original. And I'm glad I'm not the only one in here that thinks Pac Man is a bad idea for Bral.

 

[axemangx]

Why is this thread still on when Pacman does one thing? -.-

 

[Zubyyyy]

Two, actually. He can race carts. He has had his own adventures with slingshots and hangliding and such. You have got to look at the other Pac-Man games than the original. He could have a crazy good moveset.

 

[Eight Sage]

He's not illogical as a character... but please! plus in Mario Kart he only has to drive a car Hello! plus I don't think anyone can come up with a descent moveset for pacman.

Umm... Jigglypuff anyone?

 

[IllidR]

I have no doubts that a moveset can be created for Pac-man. But i really would not like to see him as a character, going from a head that eats balls to a ball with arms and legs isn't in my top priorities to see in Brawl.

 

[Red_Maniac]

Obviously the anti-Pac-Man people either don't know about the 3D Pac-Man games or are trying to deny their existance so all they can say is "It's a floating head that only eats."

 

[Zubyyyy]

If you use his qualities from Pac-Man World you could have an incredible moveset. In the Pac-Man World games he throws pellets at non-ghost enemies, and uses an attack called a "Butt Blast". If you throw in the Kart, plus the slingshot from Pac-Man Adventures/2, and some of the items from those games an awesome moveset could be done. Even a Final Smash, where everyone else turns into blue ghosts and he eats them. Incredible ideas.

 

[sugarpoultry]

But i really would not like to see him as a character, going from a head that eats balls to a ball with arms and legs isn't in my top priorities to see in Brawl.

I couldn't agree more. Seriously, there are better characters we could be wanting in Brawl. I could go off and name a ton better than Pac-Man. I seriously think he would just be a remake of Jiggly-Puff and Kirby, nothing special at all. I don't think Nintendo would humiliate themselves to having 3 characters closely connected like that.

 

[Zubyyyy]

I have no doubts that a moveset can be created for Pac-man. But i really would not like to see him as a character, going from a head that eats balls to a ball with arms and legs isn't in my top priorities to see in Brawl.

Not that I am disagreeing with you, but just to point out he had arms and legs way before this, back in the late 80's/early 90's. Just pointing that out.

 

[vesperview]

Obviously the anti-Pac-Man people either don't know about the 3D Pac-Man games or are trying to deny their existance so all they can say is "It's a floating head that only eats."

Do you actually think those 3D pacman games are good? the true essence in pacman lies in the original arcade game, not those stupid 3D games, just made to continue perpetrating pacman to new generations.

 

[Red_Maniac]

Do you actually think those 3D pacman games are good? the true essence in pacman lies in the original arcade game, not those stupid 3D games, just made to continue perpetrating pacman to new generations.

Well, yeah, they aren't that good, but at least they prove that Pac-Man can do more than just eat.

 

[CronoMaster]

I couldn't agree more. Seriously, there are better characters we could be wanting in Brawl. I could go off and name a ton better than Pac-Man. I seriously think he would just be a remake of Jiggly-Puff and Kirby, nothing special at all. I don't think Nintendo would humiliate themselves to having 3 characters closely connected like that.

So, u mean jigglypuff and kirby are similar?? and pac-man would be too?? well, i guess u havent played melee at all and u have no idea of who pacman is... or u are just not that smart, i mean, jiggly and kirby are nothin alike, and pacman would be nothin like them, they are not closely connected at all as u say, they are not even far connected!! XD the only real thing that u could say that is similar is that kirby and jiggly can "fly" and to start with, pacman couldnt do that

Now, mario and luigi, u could say they are similar, or connected, but even they are very different. so, using ur logic, they shouldnt put mario, luigi, peach, falcon, ness, ice climbers, zelda, link, marth, roy, dr. mario, young link, i mean, they are all humans!! i dont think Nintnedo would humiliate themselves to having 12 characters closely connected like that XD

 

[Symphony X]

I persnally am not hoping for him, but if he makes it I waon't be angry.

 

[sugarpoultry]

So, u mean jigglypuff and kirby are similar?? and pac-man would be too?? well, i guess u havent played melee at all and u have no idea of who pacman is... or u are just not that smart, i mean, jiggly and kirby are nothin alike, and pacman would be nothin like them, they are not closely connected at all as u say, they are not even far connected!! XD the only real thing that u could say that is similar is that kirby and jiggly can "fly" and to start with, pacman couldnt do that

Now, mario and luigi, u could say they are similar, or connected, but even they are very different. so, using ur logic, they shouldnt put mario, luigi, peach, falcon, ness, ice climbers, zelda, link, marth, roy, dr. mario, young link, i mean, they are all humans!! i dont think Nintnedo would humiliate themselves to having 12 characters closely connected like that XD

Um, I do smash, and I play Melee a lot. I know Kirby and Jiggly-puff are nothing a like. Did I say Kirby and Jiggly-puff played the same? No. I might have accidentally made it sound that way, but that is not what I meant. They have completely different moves.

I guess what I should have said, was we don't need anymore "round" characters.

 

[Neiteio]

Ideas for Pacman

I respect the topic starter's opinion, but I can easily think of a Pacman moveset. The following moves assume Pacman has his hands and feet, in keeping with Nacmo's current version of the mascot. However, his hands and feet disappear into his body when specified:

- Standard Special (B): "Ghosts" -- Three ghosts escape from Pacman's mouth, traveling forward in a zigzag pattern at high speeds, like three Shadow Balls.

- Smash Special (B Smash): "Wakka Wakka" -- Pacman dashes forward a short distance in ball form, gobbling as he goes, barreling through anyone who stands in his way. Comparable to the Falcon Kick, if the Falcon Kick were airborne. Travels straight when used midair.

- Down Special (Down B): "Ball Drop" -- Pacman leaps into the air and, in ball form, drops like the Bowser Bomb, only with added bounce when he hits the ground. If he hits somebody on the rebound, it'll deal additional damage.

- Up Special (Up B): "Pac Attack" -- Like the Wakka Wakka, only vertically oriented, referencing the vertical passages in Pacman mazes. Pacman dashes up through the air, gobbling as he goes, hitting anyone above him. Serves as his triple jump.

Also, his standard A could be "Gobble," allowing him to swallow his foe, at which point subsequent taps of the A button would deal additional damage. After several bites, he'll spit the foe back out as a short-range projectile. The enemy can break free early by struggling.

And, best of all...

- Final Smash: "Pacman Maze" -- The stage darkens as walls of neon blue light are superimposed on the screen, turning the current stage into a Pacman maze. Pacman, fueled by the power of the Smash Ball, goes retro, turning into his pixelated self from the arcade original. At this point, he is momentarily invincible, and can travel through the maze like the old Pacman games. His foes, who are trapped in the maze, must run and jump through the maze to avoid getting hit by Pacman, who is all-powerful. After a short while, Pacman will return to normal and the maze will disappear. Each stage will have its own maze designed for it, a relatively simple task for the designers, given the retro appearance.

...and that's all off the top of my head. If Sakurai can give a racecar driver like Captain Falcon a full-fledged moveset, then surely he could work wonders with a classic gaming icon like Pacman.

Whaddaya say? I certainly think Pacman is possible, even though I never considered it until now. I think it'd be AWESOME to see a fight between DK and Pacman. After all, back in the day they were Kings of the Arcade. It'd be a nostalgic clash of titans!

- Neiteio

 

[Jackal478]

OMFGZ PACMANZ 4 BRAULZ!!!!!!111!!!elephant

not really, I agree with the topic starter though.

 

[sugarpoultry]

OMFGZ PACMANZ 4 BRAULZ!!!!!!111!!!elephant

not really, I agree with the topic starter though.

Hahaha yeah! I think it's funny the whole point of this thread was against the idea of Pac-Man, and yet all these people come in here and endorse it. Makes you wonder if this thread wasn't created it, would the idea of Pac-Man in Brawl even exist? Or, are these people here just to oppose the idea, just because they can. <_<

 

[vesperview]

I respect the topic starter's opinion, but I can easily think of a Pacman moveset. The following moves assume Pacman has his hands and feet, in keeping with Nacmo's current version of the mascot. However, his hands and feet disappear into his body when specified:

- Standard Special (B): "Ghosts" -- Three ghosts escape from Pacman's mouth, traveling forward in a zigzag pattern at high speeds, like three Shadow Balls.

- Smash Special (B Smash): "Wakka Wakka" -- Pacman dashes forward a short distance in ball form, gobbling as he goes, barreling through anyone who stands in his way. Comparable to the Falcon Kick, if the Falcon Kick were airborne. Travels straight when used midair.

- Down Special (Down B): "Ball Drop" -- Pacman leaps into the air and, in ball form, drops like the Bowser Bomb, only with added bounce when he hits the ground. If he hits somebody on the rebound, it'll deal additional damage.

- Up Special (Up B): "Pac Attack" -- Like the Wakka Wakka, only vertically oriented, referencing the vertical passages in Pacman mazes. Pacman dashes up through the air, gobbling as he goes, hitting anyone above him. Serves as his triple jump.

Also, his standard A could be "Gobble," allowing him to swallow his foe, at which point subsequent taps of the A button would deal additional damage. After several bites, he'll spit the foe back out as a short-range projectile. The enemy can break free early by struggling.

And, best of all...

- Final Smash: "Pacman Maze" -- The stage darkens as walls of neon blue light are superimposed on the screen, turning the current stage into a Pacman maze. Pacman, fueled by the power of the Smash Ball, goes retro, turning into his pixelated self from the arcade original. At this point, he is momentarily invincible, and can travel through the maze like the old Pacman games. His foes, who are trapped in the maze, must run and jump through the maze to avoid getting hit by Pacman, who is all-powerful. After a short while, Pacman will return to normal and the maze will disappear. Each stage will have its own maze designed for it, a relatively simple task for the designers, given the retro appearance.

...and that's all off the top of my head. If Sakurai can give a racecar driver like Captain Falcon a full-fledged moveset, then surely he could work wonders with a classic gaming icon like Pacman.

Whaddaya say? I certainly think Pacman is possible, even though I never considered it until now. I think it'd be AWESOME to see a fight between DK and Pacman. After all, back in the day they were Kings of the Arcade. It'd be a nostalgic clash of titans!

- Neiteio

Just the fact that you have him spit thing in your moveset is exactly what I said in the topic starter