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Stop it with Pacman already!!!!!!

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God, how can people even think that Pacman is a character worthy of being in brawl? I know he is Namco's mascot and everything, but if someone wants a Namco character it would have to be Klonoa although his games pretty much blow, returning to pacman he does nothing else than eating pills... so what would his moveset be? spitting pills and then eat them to spit them again? geez, then eat blue ghosts for power ups? lol, seek help if you would like to play with pacman in brawl, don't you agree?
 

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I can't really say I support either Pac-man or Klonoa, but Pac-man is a pop culture icon, is Namco's mascot, and has appeared along side Mario in an arcade version of Mario Kart. So Pac-man isn't as illogical as you want to think.
 

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Is not that is illogical as the character... plus in Mario Kart he only has to drive a car Hello! plus I don't think anyone can come up with a descent moveset for pacman.
I bet you Sakurai could.
 

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Is not that is illogical as the character... plus in Mario Kart he only has to drive a car Hello! plus I don't think anyone can come up with a descent moveset for pacman.
Why do you choose to ignore Captain Falcon?
 

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I meant in the forum, thank you... of course the designers could come up with it if they put a LOT of thought into it... still impossible!
Well I do believe all that matters for his chances are if the developers can create a moveset or not.

I don't think those that want him in need help, I mean look, Mr. Game and Watch got in Melee. I'm not really keen on him being in the game, but I don't think it's a terrible idea.
 

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So what's Captain Falcon going to do? Drive his car around? I know you're trying to be intelligent and sarcastic, but you're failing miserably. Plus, there's always a Pac-Man topic to discuss this in, and the sticky topic mentioning the same aspect.


Perhaps you should do a little more research.

Edit: You guys work fast.
 

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So what's Captain Falcon going to do? Drive his car around? I know you're trying to be intelligent and sarcastic, but you're failing miserably. Plus, there's always a Pac-Man topic to discuss this in, and the sticky topic mentioning the same aspect.


Perhaps you should do a little more research.

Edit: You guys work fast.
Again... I'm not trying to be intelligent or sarcastic when posting this, I'm just stating the fact that Pacman games don't involve much action nor abilities and the only reason I said that pacman only has to drive a car in mario kart is because that doesn't involve giving him a moveset, therefore, is very easy to just put him in, get it?
 

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This thread is pretty much done.

But to try and make it more clear.

Cpt. Falc. Drives car -> Has moves
Pacman Drives Kart -> can have moves
 

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Plus, Pacman's look is way to old school for a wii game, a big yellow ball roaming around doesn't seem so catchy.
I'm sorry to put it so bluntly but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

1. Mr. Game and Watch.
2. They could use his newest model.
 

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You do know Pac-Man has been in quite a few platforming games recently, like the one Pac-Man vs. was packaged with?
 

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Okay... just don't play so supportive of Pacman, everybody has better third party characters to put in the game, so pacman will be a no show anyway.
Why can't I or anybody else be supportive of him?

I can't say how good his chances are, but it's better then some other characters. Realize it. Sakurai LOVES retro characters.
 

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How can you say that? just for Mr. Game and Watch?
What do you mean?

Mr. Game and Watch wasn't the only retro character. There's Ice Climbers from Melee as well, and of course Pit who's coming to Brawl.
 

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You really can't guess who is going to be in Brawl, Vesperview. You aren't Sakurai.

Did you even expect G&W, Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Zelda/Shiek, or Marth/Roy for Melee?

A lot of people didn't even know who Ness was in the first one.

No one thought Snake would end up in Brawl.

You aren't the person to say who is and who isn't in the game.
 

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In Pac-Man world 3 for DS he had a pretty unique moveset *cough*

Im not for Pac man, nor do I think other 3rd party characters next to Snake and Sonic get in.
 

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pac man would be cool, but sonic and megaman first. i can't take this thread seriously, though, as you posted a silent hill character thread right below this.
 

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Pac man isn't even... an option! That isn't going to happen.... Why would anyone think Pac man? I think they are going to put in some more serious Nintendo characters. Ones who can put up a fight. ;)

Here I can do it too: Lets put in Micky Mouse!
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I think the character that has a better chance is Sonic. I vote for him. :)
 

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You really can't guess who is going to be in Brawl, Vesperview. You aren't Sakurai.

Did you even expect G&W, Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Zelda/Shiek, or Marth/Roy for Melee?

A lot of people didn't even know who Ness was in the first one.

No one thought Snake would end up in Brawl.

You aren't the person to say who is and who isn't in the game.
Then what is this forum about? how come people discuss who and who they not want in the game? I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and we can all agree to disagree on these issues, and how were you not expecting Zelda in Melee?
 

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They could just use this model:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Pac-Man_World_3.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MKArcGP.jpg
Pac-Man World Wiki page said:
The game was a standard 3D platformer that played heavily into the history of the character; every non-boss level featured a maze that played by the rules of the original game (though Pac-Man's health pie was still present, allowing the player to survive being touched by ghosts up to three times), every level was littered with dots, fruits and ghosts, much of the music was modified from early entries into the series (one of the common themes in all the levels is the intermission music from Pac-Man modified according to the theme of the level) and of course the original Pac-Man game was available for play from the menu screen.

In addition, Pac-Man had been given a handful of standard platform manoeuvres, including a "butt-bounce", reminiscent of Mario and the Rev-Roll, reminiscent of Sonic the Hedgehog. Also, he'd gained the ability to use the dots offensively, throwing them at non-ghost enemies.

The level format was fairly straightforward; each world consisted of three or four levels. Introduction. The first level in a world would introduce a new technique or enemy type. The second and third would require use of that technique to complete, and couldn't be completed without it. The fourth level of each world was a boss battle requiring unique gameplay or puzzle-solving to defeat.

The second levels also included a key that, while not essential to complete the game, was required to free whichever of Pac-Man's friends was held prisoner in the third level. Every freed character would then appear to aid Pac-Man in the final battle against Toc-Man.
 

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You gave no good reason why there should be Silent Hill characters.
 

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Snake doesn't have powers. He's just good at what he does. I thought Silent Hill was more absurd from mismatched tones and lack of appearance on Nintendo systems. I don't really count the Playnovel.
 

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I know most of the so-called "arguments" have already been debunked, but I'm still throwing in my own two cents.

I think the topic starter's "arguments" fail on so many levels. I only see bias in them and hardly anything intelligent.

...returning to pacman he does nothing else than eating pills... so what would his moveset be? spitting pills and then eat them to spit them again? geez, then eat blue ghosts for power ups? lol, seek help if you would like to play with pacman in brawl, don't you agree?
Just because you can't think of a move set doesn't mean Sakurai can't. This man has already proven to be a lot more creative then the majority of the fandom. Who would have thought that characters who basically didn't fight before like Peach (at least in most of the main series) and Zelda could have a full move set?

I would like to know how "seek help" remotely had any point besides fueling your bias and thus making any "arguments" you make look bad.

I meant in the forum, thank you... of course the designers could come up with it if they put a LOT of thought into it... still impossible!
Again, there you go acting like the developers can't think of a moveset because you can't think of one. You do realize they can make up moves if needed right? Captain Falcon's move set was basically made from the ground up unlike most other characters who had some basics to work from, even Peach and Zelda.

Plus, Pacman's look is way to old school for a wii game, a big yellow ball roaming around doesn't seem so catchy.
Again, another bias filled argument that I don't see helping your case in any way. Who are you to decide who's "too old school" looking or not? What's wrong with looking classic and how is even an argument to begin with? If a big yellow ball doesn't seem so catchy, then I guess Kirby, a pink puffball, isn't so catchy either going by that logic.

Okay... just don't play so supportive of Pacman, everybody has better third party characters to put in the game, so pacman will be a no show anyway.
What you define as better isn't the same as what developers define as better. You seem so sure that Pac-Man won't show up that you once again seem to be throwing out stuff with no proof. To my knowledge, there is no proof if Pac-Man is in or not.

As for the topic title... "Stop it with Pacman already!!!!!!"....

Stop it with purely biased arguments with no logically supporting arguments already! This board is already bad enough with all the biased arguments that never go beyond simply being biased.
 

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Pac-Man is one of ze best suggestions I have ever heard of for ze new Smash Bros. game, and the person who is directly responzible for ze making of zis thread is obviously a silly baboons arse of a human being. Let me straighten you out sir, as you are obviously are in need of much guidance and clarity.

Your dismissiveness of zis character is probably directly linked to the fact zat you are nothing but a child. I am guessing you were born in late eighties, or possibly early nineties, hm? Even Mario is older than you sir, and yet you claim to preach such knowledge on ze inclusion of classic icons of videogaming. You accept Mr Game and Watch as a retro icon because Nintendo told you to, because you played Melee and you think you know it all. Firstly, Pac-Man outdates the esteemed Mr G&W by about 4 years. Secondly, Mr G&W is not a tough guy, not a warrior or a superhero fit to fight in the arena of great fighters that SSB is based around: Mr G&W is simply a misfortunate man about ze town, a regular joe who tries every type of career imaginable in order to make some cash. If such a loveable oaf can be featured in Smash, then why not Pac-Man, sir? Should he not be featured just because you don't like him? There are astonishing similarities between good ol' Pac and Kirby - both rotund eating machines that represent ze era of classic gaming. Who are you, child, to say which classic icon is good enough to feature in zis triumphant tribute to videogaming history? Have you ever even played a Pac-Man game, researched it, endowed yourself with the knowledge of it's 1970s-era relevance, as well as it's importance in arcade machines throughout the eighties? You are a simple-minded fool to dismiss Pac-Man, a character who has a greater heritage than any current, past or future Smash fighter, even greater than your hallowed and coveted Sonic the Hedgehog. People like you preach about ze Tom Nooks and Captain Olimars of zis modern age, without ever stopping to appreciate ze true vintage icons that shaped ze industry and skyrocketed zis whole medium into popularity. He may be ze old-school, but he's far from irrelevant, sir. The only irrelevance present here today is your own childish prejudice towards a beloved icon merely because you lack ze respect for him that you should have.

Your main argument seems to stem from ze fact that you don't believe Pac-Man would be a good fighter. Have you no imagination? He's simply ze same sort of character as Kirby - a rotund warrior of virtue with his own trademarks, power-ups, music and classic sound effects that embody his character, sir. Pac-Man can eat - his mouth is unstoppable void of emptiness, a black hole of eternity zat can reduce even ze toughest opponents to nought but a pair of eyes and a numeric score. He has feet and hands, and so can punch and kick, and a large head for butting. Every warrior is comprised of the same repertoir of moves, the A attack, the smash attack, the upB, downB, grab moves, throws and the hallowed Final Smash attack. Pac-Man can incorporate any of these in the same way that unlikely characters like Game and Watch can - drawing on from his vast history of classic games. Disarm your baseless prejudice sir, and accept that SSB is but one thing: A free-for-all battle of industry icons! Klonoa is a lovely little anime furball, but his franchise is infantile compared to Pac-Man. What you have sir, is an insufficient lack of perspective. I cannot stand Captain Falcon, personally - I think he's a soulless incapsulation of camp machismo, aping classic superhero designs whilst he represents a franchise that never needed a face to begin with. He's in it for kitsch value, and to give the overall roster more of a girth of human characters. But do I denounce the Captain? Do I fight for his right to be excluded from the roster? No sir, I do not, because I respect the rights and views of others. I suggest you do ze same.

Whilst I will not be holding my breath, I will be hoping to hear ze familiar and nostalgic 'wakka wakka' emit from a typical Versus skirmish one day. I will shed a joyful tear on that day sir...I will shed a joyful tear. Good day to you.
 

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so what would his moveset be? spitting pills and then eat them to spit them again? geez, then eat blue ghosts for power ups? lol, seek help if you would like to play with pacman in brawl, don't you agree?
Have you even played some of Pac-Man's more recent games. I have Pac-Man World 2 (surprisingly good game, actually. I only bought it for Pac-Man Vs.), and he has plenty of moves. Besides, Pac-Man (the game, not the character) is an amazing game. I could play it forever. If you don't like it, you must suck at it.
 

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i think everybody likes the game, this fellow just doesn't like the idea of him being in brawl. plus it would be hard to make an original moveset for him. right now he can eat things (yoshi) and spit them back out(yoshi). he can also throw pellets (yoshi), and he has a but slam (yoshi).
 
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