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Stategy for Doc.

Sneakyxhandz

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Anyone got a good way to beat Doc. w/ falco. All my friend really does is shield grab and cape(those people) and I can beat him probably around half the time. I just wanna know if there is a way to get around that. SHLs will only lead to a cape return and shffling gets me thrown. Often times its mind games that helps, but on occasion sometimes it fails. Suggestions?
 

Adi

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Use nairs, throw your lasers out sparingly, and make sure you properly fastfall and L-cancel all your aerials into shines.

Grabs aren't bad either.
 

DaShizWiz

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From my experience playing SmashMac. I'd say mix up your combos with uptilts, approach with Nairs and Dairs. After a nair/dair into a shine, instead of dairing them, upair and try to keep them juggled.

I definitely prefer Fox though for the match-up.
 

shinkazenokizzu

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From my experience playing SmashMac. I'd say mix up your combos with uptilts, approach with Nairs and Dairs. After a nair/dair into a shine, instead of dairing them, upair and try to keep them juggled.

I definitely prefer Fox though for the match-up.
i agree fox handles doc much better.
 

ye25

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Fox does, but i think doc still has trouble against falco more than falco does vs. doc. Unless he can get those chain grabs off =D.
 

Adi

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Quoted for truth. I think you learned your lesson against my doc Adi lol. The cape = too good.
Yeah definetely, my matches with you showed me what I needed to work on, I'm much better now so I can't wait for a rematch ^^.
 

Aldwyn McCloud

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if Falco knows what he's doing he pretty much > Doc in any possible way, however Doc has got tons of nasty tricks to pull out at Falco. Being careful is the first thing to remember, watch carefully what doc does and just counter it. Falco beats Doc in close combat because of higher priority, higher speed and higher range. Here are some videos.. hope they can help you..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y_HmkJdbZcw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eCkpgma5l0&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_ihkPuHBs&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8a5KDTQXAvc&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=va5ajqS-8sY&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m8HP3PxJ_nU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MIj9_2ai7Z8
 

ye25

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If they cape, try to be a little tricky, empty jumps, use lasers sparingly when they least expect.
 

JPOBS

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dont shoot a signle laser. that'll totally send their mind on a trip.
then after you've 4 stocked them easily, you can say "u got mindgamez'd."
 

SCOTU

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thank you isai.

Get him off the stage, and keep him there.
 

jamminjohn

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dont shoot a signle laser. that'll totally send their mind on a trip.
then after you've 4 stocked them easily, you can say "u got mindgamez'd."
My best advice is to not listen to this guy and never say "mindgamed" or any variation of it.

Lasers work, even if they can be reflected. Falcos still laser against foxes and other falcos and they can reflect lasers perfectly and faster (jump cancel shine).
 

Falco&Victory

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My best advice is to not listen to this guy and never say "mindgamed" or any variation of it.

Lasers work, even if they can be reflected. Falcos still laser against foxes and other falcos and they can reflect lasers perfectly and faster (jump cancel shine).
you do realize you can't JC the shine as fast after it reflects a laser
 

ye25

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Yea, the lag is increases alot if you get hit by a projectile in the shine.

And i would short hop them to death instead of wd them.
 

otg

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There has been too much Falco related advice. Falco players, you should know how to use your character, so fighting an average character like Doc shouldn't be a problem. If your losing to Doc, it's because of things he knows to look out for while fighting you. I (a Doc main) will hopefully give you an idea of what NOT to do.

Falco definitely has the advantage in this match up. Falco has got a better projectile, range and speed which can be used quite easily to destroy Doc. Doc on the otherhand, has Chainthrows, Gimp kills (Bair, cape), and many KO options.

Recovery really doesn't come into play during this match up because both of their recoveries suck. I believe Doc is better here than Falco because of his easy abuse of Falco's recovery (Cape and Bairs). Edgeguarding is a bread and butter type deal for Doc, so if Falco is off the stage, you better believe he's not making it back... although the same is true for Doc (blast you Falco's Dair!).

For the most part Falco will control the match. Using SHL sparingly and proper spacing, he can become a Doc's worst nightmare. Don't attempt to Pillar too often, because if you mess up, or Doc pivots his shield to mess up your L-cancel, say hello to a free grab, which is bad for Falco.

Attention all Falco players: DON'T GET GRABBED! Thats the biggest piece of advice I can give you, Doc will destroy you with Chainthrows -> Uair -> Dsmash (or Fsmash with proper spacing).

I would say, just keep moving and make as few mistakes as possible. The second you mess up, Doc will ownz you.
 

Sneakyxhandz

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Thanks guys. I found out a good way for mind games now. I just have to get good timing on my d-airs so that it just gets past him before he can shield grab. It took a long time for practice but i have pretty good timing on it now.
 
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