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StarCraft: The Final Season
- Thread starter Adam M!
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Lovage
Smash Hero
FLASH VS. FANTASY OH MY ****ING GOOOOOOOOOD
and that's only the first match!!!
and that's only the first match!!!
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
next one is tonight?
pockyD
Smash Legend
is anyone planning on going to the WCG finals?
Winston
Smash Master
there are some really boring games, but there are definitely still games worth watching...
TvZ on Polaris Rhapsody is idiotic, and on Grand Line too to a much lesser extent. Dreamliner is stupid going the other way. The other maps are okay though. Balance in SC is really map dependent
and only TvP and TvZ mech are "early expo no rush for 8-10 minutes", stuff usually happens in the midgame. TvZ mech is pretty boring to watch but it doesn't happen every game and the other matchups in the game are generally fine.
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pockyD
Smash Legend
it's in LA
i'd really love to watch CS and SC... watching pro level CS is incredible!
i'd really love to watch CS and SC... watching pro level CS is incredible!
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
how much are tickets
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
so im watching the msl vods on this link
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/530_Bigfile_MSL/games/nospoiler/rss
are the games best of 1?
what was the tournament format?
i feel like im missing something
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/530_Bigfile_MSL/games/nospoiler/rss
are the games best of 1?
what was the tournament format?
i feel like im missing something
TheZhuKeeper
Smash Champion
I actually would love to go. I'll look into that later / give me info if you wanted people to go with? =D
Adam M!
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kevin, i'd love to go! (with you presumably?) can you provide more information? i realize i can look it up but hey, you suggested it! allow me to be lazy this one time =(
hype money the first set is one week and then they finish it the following week.
someone correct me if i'm wrong but to maximize
pockyD
Smash Legend
http://www.wcg.com/6th/2010/overview/general.asp
Sep 30 - Oct 3
LA convention center
i just heard about it today haha (was watching a BW stream for the first time in like a year and a half,
)
i actually think it's unlikely i can get the days off for the whole event (saving time off for rom3), but the website is incredibly hard to find relevant information on, so if the scheduled permitted me going only a few days but seeing awesome stuff, i'd make the trek anyway
re: the msl, the link is somewhat broken but depending on what stage in the tournament it is, it might be what adam is suggesting (they play game 1 one week, then game 2 + 3 (if necessary) the next week)
or if it's earlier on, iirc they use some weird bracketing system (with like 3-4 man brackets) which basically relies on Bo1s to determine match results; last time i followed extensively was like a year and a half ago so i don't know what system they're using now
Sep 30 - Oct 3
LA convention center
i just heard about it today haha (was watching a BW stream for the first time in like a year and a half,
and flash failed to HOLD POSITION and lost to a zergling rush
i actually think it's unlikely i can get the days off for the whole event (saving time off for rom3), but the website is incredibly hard to find relevant information on, so if the scheduled permitted me going only a few days but seeing awesome stuff, i'd make the trek anyway
re: the msl, the link is somewhat broken but depending on what stage in the tournament it is, it might be what adam is suggesting (they play game 1 one week, then game 2 + 3 (if necessary) the next week)
or if it's earlier on, iirc they use some weird bracketing system (with like 3-4 man brackets) which basically relies on Bo1s to determine match results; last time i followed extensively was like a year and a half ago so i don't know what system they're using now
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
i was under the impression that it was single elim, which may or may not be the case
but the early matches are like some kind of pools, bo1. i was confused because
in a bo1, but i know
still in.
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is there a better channel to watch vods? the video freezes for like 1-2 minutes every ~10 minutes. i think it was the stream's fault, but if there are better ones to watch that would ****.
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going to wcg sounds sick. esp if a bunch of us go together/find housing?/smash all night
but the early matches are like some kind of pools, bo1. i was confused because
effort beat flash
flash is (was?)
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is there a better channel to watch vods? the video freezes for like 1-2 minutes every ~10 minutes. i think it was the stream's fault, but if there are better ones to watch that would ****.
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going to wcg sounds sick. esp if a bunch of us go together/find housing?/smash all night
Lovage
Smash Hero
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that series was oaiwefhoaweh-[0a238h=302wt
Lovage
Smash Hero
kjosdfnafjaw[;pr n34pit 234npqi bn3 iu3biq35byi q35byq35 q3i5yiuq3yiu3y5i55 ****ING JD YOU ARE MY STAR NEXT SEASON YOU WILL WIN EVERYTHING ujtrbiul24t5234u u434u4 4 JAEDONG FIGHTING!!!!!
overall though that was a good series but i've seen better so i'm hoping for a great OSL rematch
brood war is much better than sc2
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
i agree with adam
sorry i didnt come over osacr. i woek up at 2 but said **** it cuz i thought it was tomorrow (tonight)
sorry i didnt come over osacr. i woek up at 2 but said **** it cuz i thought it was tomorrow (tonight)
Lovage
Smash Hero
jaedong vs. stork tonight!!!!!!!!!
at 2:30 am (will actually start at like 3 prolly)
havn't seen pvz in so long, such a fun matchup
at 2:30 am (will actually start at like 3 prolly)
havn't seen pvz in so long, such a fun matchup
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great series, stork gets ***** for being greedy 5th game! whyyyy didnt he just build a second cannon omg. good sht Jd!!!!! cant wait for finals
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
whats the story behind this?????
whats the story behind this?????
embracethe12
Smash Lord
LOL
some funny ******* whispering a player in a recorded match
/dnd
is the command you use to get no messages from anyone at all on battlenet
he musta forgot to turn it on before the match started
some funny ******* whispering a player in a recorded match
/dnd
is the command you use to get no messages from anyone at all on battlenet
he musta forgot to turn it on before the match started
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
i think they were in cahoooooooots
Lovage
Smash Hero
free vs. flash in 20 minutes!
my prediction??? 3-1 flash, but here's hoping for a pvz finals
my prediction??? 3-1 flash, but here's hoping for a pvz finals
LOL *****, and i got pro predictions, not a great series, flash pretty much dominated, watch game 3 for funny ****, but besides that it was ok.
Lovage
Smash Hero
osl final tonight at 3!!!!!!
i'm the only one that cares about brood war!!!!!! ( and zhu!!!!!!)
but i'm still really excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm the only one that cares about brood war!!!!!! ( and zhu!!!!!!)
but i'm still really excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
i'd come over if i didnt have work
Lovage
Smash Hero
absolutely crushed
also one of the worst finals ive seen in a while
i can only recommend game 4 pretty much, and that's for flash's flawless play once he was in the lead. and game 2 i guess. i just wish jd could keep up with flash in long games but he can't
also one of the worst finals ive seen in a while
i can only recommend game 4 pretty much, and that's for flash's flawless play once he was in the lead. and game 2 i guess. i just wish jd could keep up with flash in long games but he can't
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brood war is stagnating
Lovage
Smash Hero
Squidster
Smash Ace
thats pretty awesome
shadrach kabango
Banned via Warnings
Hey guys,
The last Brood War final ever will be on July 28.
I want to throw a party to celebrate.
Give our condolences in style.
If you're interested,
The last Brood War final ever will be on July 28.
I want to throw a party to celebrate.
Give our condolences in style.
If you're interested,
shadrach kabango
Banned via Warnings
I stayed up for the first semi-final between Jangbi and Zero.
Zero: 60% career ZvP. Always one of the top 5 Zergs in his career, often battling it out for No. 2 rights behind Jaedong. Runner-up to the 2010 ABC Mart MSL, getting 3-0ed by Flash. Has a history of choking. Shrewd and creative, great mechanics, all around awesome player... except for massive inconsistency/chokesies.
Jangbi: Every tale needs a hero. One of the six Protoss Dragons. Jangbi has long been an elite player, but always came up short, as his three silver medals attest. Went through the most brutal slump in BW history, going from a career 62.2% win rate his first three years to winning 45% of his games the next two years, at one point losing 12 consecutive games.
And then, right as qualifiers for the 2011 kicked in, Jangbi started ****** lives. He won 11 out of 12 games before losing to Jaedong, and then put together a glorious underdog run to win his first title, toppling God and Fantasy in the process.
Everyone wants Jangbi to win because Zero is a choker who can't compete with God and Fantasy, the world's best. Well, not everyone, but everyone who matters. To be fair, Zero is absurdly cute and is a solid, sexy player. This is his last chance to win gold.
CUE EPIC! SPOILERS DAWG, YOU SHOULD STOP READING.
All you need to know: Esportstv has the games uploaded. Watch them. Don't let anything spoil you. Prepare food. You will be amazed.
Can't wait for Fantasy v God Young Ho, next Tuesday, 3:30 AM. TvT? It probably won't end until 7:30 or later.
Zero: 60% career ZvP. Always one of the top 5 Zergs in his career, often battling it out for No. 2 rights behind Jaedong. Runner-up to the 2010 ABC Mart MSL, getting 3-0ed by Flash. Has a history of choking. Shrewd and creative, great mechanics, all around awesome player... except for massive inconsistency/chokesies.
Jangbi: Every tale needs a hero. One of the six Protoss Dragons. Jangbi has long been an elite player, but always came up short, as his three silver medals attest. Went through the most brutal slump in BW history, going from a career 62.2% win rate his first three years to winning 45% of his games the next two years, at one point losing 12 consecutive games.
And then, right as qualifiers for the 2011 kicked in, Jangbi started ****** lives. He won 11 out of 12 games before losing to Jaedong, and then put together a glorious underdog run to win his first title, toppling God and Fantasy in the process.
Everyone wants Jangbi to win because Zero is a choker who can't compete with God and Fantasy, the world's best. Well, not everyone, but everyone who matters. To be fair, Zero is absurdly cute and is a solid, sexy player. This is his last chance to win gold.
CUE EPIC! SPOILERS DAWG, YOU SHOULD STOP READING.
All you need to know: Esportstv has the games uploaded. Watch them. Don't let anything spoil you. Prepare food. You will be amazed.
Jangbi wins Game 1 going for 1-base Dark Templar into ****. Zero looks extremely anxious, Jangbi a confident boss. Jangbi proceeds to get outclassed the next three two-and-a-half oh my god did he seriously put together a game-winning han-bang timing attack to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat? YES! Did Zero lose a game he was 95% to win? YES!
That was just the appetizer. Game 5: Zero hydra busts. But the crafty shrew need not fully commit to it, and instead plops down two hatcheries (five total), including an early fourth expansion, after Jangbi is forced to make a million cannons in order not to straight-up die. Jangbi is grasping for straws at this point and opts for storm drops to vaying degrees of success. He masses up a ton of gateways and takes map control, but Zero has drone *****d and places a million sunkens, making a break for Jangbi impossible. Zero doesn't have an army, though, so Jangbi expands to a hard-to-defend 3rd adjacent to Zero's natural, and later double expands to the 12 o'clock and the 10 o'clock. He builds up the PROTOSS BALL OF DEATH and ***** Zero in engagement after engagement as Zero crumbles under the pressure. Jangbi seals the deal when he brilliantly sends two dark templars to Zero's fifth and sixth bases, snipes all the drones and takes down one of the hatcheries all while Zero's overlord and zerglings witness. Zero is virtually dead. He kills Jangbi's 3 o'clock but loses another base to Jangbi's indomitable PROTOSS BALL OF DEATH. He sends cracklings to Jangbi's natural, but without defiler support it is hapless.
JANGBI WINS! JANGBI IS GOING TO HIS SECOND CONSECUTIVE OSL FINALS, TO PLAY THE WINNER OF FLASH V FANTASY! Zero, ever the cutie-pie, cries manly tears of despair. Sorry, bruh, but that was the choke job to end all choke jobs.
Jangbi, during the post-game interview, talks with tears in his eyes. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED? THIS IS BROOD WAR!
Jangbi interview translations:
[10:58pm] Kiett: what were you thinking
[10:58pm] Kiett: to be honest
[10:58pm] Kiett: i thought i had lost
[10:58pm] Kiett: in the 4th game
[10:58pm] Kiett: but then i thought of my fans
[10:58pm] Kiett: and was determined to bring it back
[10:58pm] Kiett: kim carrier, who watched your game
[10:58pm] Kiett: he was crying
[10:58pm] Kiett: he was so touched
[10:59pm] Kiett: jangbi: i also shed tears
That was just the appetizer. Game 5: Zero hydra busts. But the crafty shrew need not fully commit to it, and instead plops down two hatcheries (five total), including an early fourth expansion, after Jangbi is forced to make a million cannons in order not to straight-up die. Jangbi is grasping for straws at this point and opts for storm drops to vaying degrees of success. He masses up a ton of gateways and takes map control, but Zero has drone *****d and places a million sunkens, making a break for Jangbi impossible. Zero doesn't have an army, though, so Jangbi expands to a hard-to-defend 3rd adjacent to Zero's natural, and later double expands to the 12 o'clock and the 10 o'clock. He builds up the PROTOSS BALL OF DEATH and ***** Zero in engagement after engagement as Zero crumbles under the pressure. Jangbi seals the deal when he brilliantly sends two dark templars to Zero's fifth and sixth bases, snipes all the drones and takes down one of the hatcheries all while Zero's overlord and zerglings witness. Zero is virtually dead. He kills Jangbi's 3 o'clock but loses another base to Jangbi's indomitable PROTOSS BALL OF DEATH. He sends cracklings to Jangbi's natural, but without defiler support it is hapless.
JANGBI WINS! JANGBI IS GOING TO HIS SECOND CONSECUTIVE OSL FINALS, TO PLAY THE WINNER OF FLASH V FANTASY! Zero, ever the cutie-pie, cries manly tears of despair. Sorry, bruh, but that was the choke job to end all choke jobs.
Jangbi, during the post-game interview, talks with tears in his eyes. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED? THIS IS BROOD WAR!
Jangbi interview translations:
[10:58pm] Kiett: what were you thinking
[10:58pm] Kiett: to be honest
[10:58pm] Kiett: i thought i had lost
[10:58pm] Kiett: in the 4th game
[10:58pm] Kiett: but then i thought of my fans
[10:58pm] Kiett: and was determined to bring it back
[10:58pm] Kiett: kim carrier, who watched your game
[10:58pm] Kiett: he was crying
[10:58pm] Kiett: he was so touched
[10:59pm] Kiett: jangbi: i also shed tears
Can't wait for Fantasy v God Young Ho, next Tuesday, 3:30 AM. TvT? It probably won't end until 7:30 or later.
ShrieK1295
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flash vs fantasy game 1 is sickkkk
this series is gonna be so gooood
this series is gonna be so gooood
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should be a sick finals all im gunna say
shadrach kabango
Banned via Warnings
Oh MY GOSH HOW DID THE TERRORIST JUNG LADEN ZOMG
WE HAVE A NEW BONJWA
AN EPIC OSL REMATCH HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP
I spoilered myself but actually eSportsTV spoilered me since they never put up spoiler vids...
I did not stay up to watch it because it was TvT and my body got HAMMERED after staying up for Zero/Jangbi and I expected 5 TvTs averaging 45 minutes each with commercials...
I'll be in NorCal for the Finals which are at friggin' 2:30 AM, so I guess I'll set an alarm or something.
Or maybe I'll just not enter the tournament so I can stay up and smash and do whatever I want and not have to worry about my performance.
WE HAVE A NEW BONJWA
AN EPIC OSL REMATCH HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP
I spoilered myself but actually eSportsTV spoilered me since they never put up spoiler vids...
I did not stay up to watch it because it was TvT and my body got HAMMERED after staying up for Zero/Jangbi and I expected 5 TvTs averaging 45 minutes each with commercials...
I'll be in NorCal for the Finals which are at friggin' 2:30 AM, so I guess I'll set an alarm or something.
Or maybe I'll just not enter the tournament so I can stay up and smash and do whatever I want and not have to worry about my performance.
shadrach kabango
Banned via Warnings
After the Finals I'll divorce myself from all things SC. In adieu I have compiled and rewatched some of my favorite matches:
Jaedong v Fantasy: 12.29.08, Proleague, Set 4
Jaedong in his prime. Fantasy is a great Terran, but right now is his prime. In 08-09 he was an elite Terran, but vZ was never his best matchup. Jaedong dominated every non-Flash Terran.
Shine v Movie: 1.8.10, Ever OSL Ro4, Game 2
One of the more forgettable OSLs. Shine is a one-trick pony who tends to hydra-bust every Protoss he faces. He's amazingly good at it, though. Movie is a vZ specialist, one of the few Protosses who specializes in mid-game timing attacks. Exciting game!
Much v Firebathero: 6.5.08, Arena MSL Ro32
Two of the most underrated players in SC progaming. Much was very good v T, while FBH was awesome v Z but hopeless v P. Da vampire toss!!! So creative.
Stork v Fantasy: 7.10.09, Bacchus OSL Ro16
Stork had the best shuttle-reaver micro in the world. Stork's been the best Protoss v Terran since forever. Fantasy's best matchup is v Toss. Outsider is a crazy map that's led to some epic games.
Jaedong v Baby: 1.10.11, Proleague (Winners)
Baby, the StarCraft prodigy who never seems to put all his talents together. He has some of the best multi-tasking in the world (second only to Bisu?) and is a beast versus Zerg. Jaedong, the Tyrant.
Jaedong v Bogus: 1.25.11, Proleague (Winners)
Bogus came out of nowhere to be the 2nd-best Terran at the time of the Proleague season. Not particularly creative but extremely strong all-around. Jaedong, the Tyrant.
Flash v Savior: 2.08 Ro16 GOMTV Star Invitational
Flash. The Ultimate Weapon. Lee God Ho. Savior, the former bonjwa. Sick game, sick cast.
Stork v Zero: 4.11.09 Proleague
Jaedong v Kal: 11.15.08, Ace Match (Proleague)
KAL! Kal is my sentimental favorite: always comes close to winning but never quite gets there. Extremely aggressive, crafty Protoss. Always gets ***** by Jaedong.
Free v Great: 12.17.08, Proleague
Free is the oft-forgotten Sixth Dragon. Had a short-but-sweet reign as a beast. He's fallen from grace since then but at the time he was a beast. Great was never special but every Z is a sniper v P. Another epic game I didn't include was Free v Fantasy, where Free mindcontrols an Arbiter and ***** lives.
Zero v Firebathero: 12.17.08 Proleague
FBH is a monster v Zerg. Zero is ultra inconsistent, but often brilliant v Terran.
Jaedong v Light: WCG Korea 2010 Ro8
Jaedong, the Tyrant. Light, the Invisible Terran, also known for his face of stone. This guy never has a facial reaction! Only Bisu's face compares. Light was near-bonjwa status v Zerg. He's long been the second-best Terran (next to God, of course) versus Zerg. This goes to show you how far ahead of the game Jaedong, the Tyrant, was. Jaedong in his prime... Never has there been a Zerg with such an all-around game. Light friggin' bunker rushes Jaedong the first two games. This is WCG, so it's a Best of 3; this is the deciding game. Cool, calm, calculated destruction.
Also the Jaedong v Snow set from a few years back is one of the best PvZ sets ever. The play was better than Jangbi v Zero. I'm definitely gonna rewatch that before finals.
A couple of other great games I didn't mention, namely because my hero loses in them:
Bisu v Iris, Avalon MSL. Non-stop aggression the entire series.
Bisu v Roro, Circuit Breaker, 2011
Jaedong v Fantasy: 12.29.08, Proleague, Set 4
Jaedong in his prime. Fantasy is a great Terran, but right now is his prime. In 08-09 he was an elite Terran, but vZ was never his best matchup. Jaedong dominated every non-Flash Terran.
Shine v Movie: 1.8.10, Ever OSL Ro4, Game 2
One of the more forgettable OSLs. Shine is a one-trick pony who tends to hydra-bust every Protoss he faces. He's amazingly good at it, though. Movie is a vZ specialist, one of the few Protosses who specializes in mid-game timing attacks. Exciting game!
Much v Firebathero: 6.5.08, Arena MSL Ro32
Two of the most underrated players in SC progaming. Much was very good v T, while FBH was awesome v Z but hopeless v P. Da vampire toss!!! So creative.
Stork v Fantasy: 7.10.09, Bacchus OSL Ro16
Stork had the best shuttle-reaver micro in the world. Stork's been the best Protoss v Terran since forever. Fantasy's best matchup is v Toss. Outsider is a crazy map that's led to some epic games.
Jaedong v Baby: 1.10.11, Proleague (Winners)
Baby, the StarCraft prodigy who never seems to put all his talents together. He has some of the best multi-tasking in the world (second only to Bisu?) and is a beast versus Zerg. Jaedong, the Tyrant.
Jaedong v Bogus: 1.25.11, Proleague (Winners)
Bogus came out of nowhere to be the 2nd-best Terran at the time of the Proleague season. Not particularly creative but extremely strong all-around. Jaedong, the Tyrant.
Flash v Savior: 2.08 Ro16 GOMTV Star Invitational
Flash. The Ultimate Weapon. Lee God Ho. Savior, the former bonjwa. Sick game, sick cast.
Stork v Zero: 4.11.09 Proleague
Jaedong v Kal: 11.15.08, Ace Match (Proleague)
KAL! Kal is my sentimental favorite: always comes close to winning but never quite gets there. Extremely aggressive, crafty Protoss. Always gets ***** by Jaedong.
Free v Great: 12.17.08, Proleague
Free is the oft-forgotten Sixth Dragon. Had a short-but-sweet reign as a beast. He's fallen from grace since then but at the time he was a beast. Great was never special but every Z is a sniper v P. Another epic game I didn't include was Free v Fantasy, where Free mindcontrols an Arbiter and ***** lives.
Zero v Firebathero: 12.17.08 Proleague
FBH is a monster v Zerg. Zero is ultra inconsistent, but often brilliant v Terran.
Jaedong v Light: WCG Korea 2010 Ro8
Jaedong, the Tyrant. Light, the Invisible Terran, also known for his face of stone. This guy never has a facial reaction! Only Bisu's face compares. Light was near-bonjwa status v Zerg. He's long been the second-best Terran (next to God, of course) versus Zerg. This goes to show you how far ahead of the game Jaedong, the Tyrant, was. Jaedong in his prime... Never has there been a Zerg with such an all-around game. Light friggin' bunker rushes Jaedong the first two games. This is WCG, so it's a Best of 3; this is the deciding game. Cool, calm, calculated destruction.
Also the Jaedong v Snow set from a few years back is one of the best PvZ sets ever. The play was better than Jangbi v Zero. I'm definitely gonna rewatch that before finals.
A couple of other great games I didn't mention, namely because my hero loses in them:
Bisu v Iris, Avalon MSL. Non-stop aggression the entire series.
Bisu v Roro, Circuit Breaker, 2011
ShrieK1295
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Finals were delayed. I'm happy cause now I don't have to stay up past sunrise before rule 6 haha
shadrach kabango
Banned via Warnings
Jaedong v Snow
Entering this Best of 5, The Dong was at the tail end of his peak. Career 68% winrate, second only to Flash. 70% win-rate versus Protoss.
Snow was a relative newcomer, although restricted almost entirely to a vT sniper in Proleague. Career 53% win-rate, but only 41% v Zerg.
Should be a ROFLstomp, right?
Keep in mind that Snow has an excellent practice partner to help train for this set in Hydra, who was unequivocally the second-best Zerg at the time. Hydra would actually go on to win this tournament. Jaedong's team doesn't have a good Protoss.
Game 1: Dante's Peak
This map was broken. ZvP was 5-2 (71.4%), with 6 ZvZs. Protoss lack an easy-to-defend 3rd gas. Even their mineral-only is exposed. Unfortunately for Snow, this is the map for both the first and fifth (if necessary) game.
Cross-position spawns. Snow is forced to make two cannons and pull three probes off the line to block six lings. Win for Jaedong. Snow bounces back by sniping two Overlords with his first two Corsairs. Win for Snow.
Zerg usually opt for 3-hatch spire, make a couple of scourge to scout/drive away Corsairs, and plop down two more hatches. With good building placement ("Sim City"), an Overlord at each base and a couple of static defense in Sunken Colonies, they buy enough time to drone ***** and mass up hydralisks in the mid-game. The hydralisk mass is deadly to Protoss; if Zerg's economy is left untouched Hydras can break the opponent right as he's getting High Templar. Zerg often likes to make 4-5 mutalisks to snipe the High Templar right as the Protoss ball starts to move out.
Jaedong goes 5-hatch spire but transitions into mass muta/scourge. Snow is going sair-reaver. When he gets 5-6 +1 Corsairs and a speed shuttle for the Reaver he'll move out; his harass must do damage and he cannot lose the Reaver for naught. Whoever micros better will win.
Snow gets his shuttle sniped. The game is essentially over.
Snow manages to drag it out with some excellent aggressive shenanigans, even managing to sneak a DT into The Dong's main to take out 14 drones, but Jaedong is on 4-gas versus Snow's 2. Jaedong eventually overruns him.
Game 2: Circuit Breaker http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/404_Circuit_Breaker
This map is awesome! Look at the stats: it doesn't get much more balanced than that.
Cross positions once again. Snow plays cautiously, plopping down two cannons and using two probes to block. I think this is a mistake; because it's cross map the travel distance means Snow should be able to get away with just one cannon. Snow also misses an opportunity to delay Jaedong's expo with probe micro.
Jaedong is playing standard. But we get an inkling of why Snow was playing so cautiously. He takes his second gas before his Core is complete, indicating another tech build.
In Game 1 this was Sair-Reaver, but this time he's opting for absurdly heavy tech. Core into Stargate into Citadel +1 sairs into Templar tech into Robo? All off one gateway?
We even see Snow plop down a third cannon shortly after his initial scout dies, but cancels it as soon as his sair patrols the map. Psychologically speaking, Snow may fear The Dong.
In general The Dong's strategy v Protoss is to play extremely greedy. He cuts corners. He loves to drone *****. He can be opportunistically aggressive, but would prefer to macro up and outclass you with superior late-game micro and macro.
Snow opts for Shuttle-DT play, but once again his Shuttle gets sniped thanks to a clutch Zergling scout by Jaedong. Big win for The Tyrant. Snow is in deep ****. He is still on one gateway.
Instead of an early 4th, or investing in a Lurker contain, Jaedong smells blood and masses Hydras. Snow's first Reaver is out but Jaedong wants to end the game. Unfortunately for Jaedong is overaggressive; fortunately for Snow his Reaver micro is on point. The first Reaver gets 31 kills! The second Reaver gets 20+! Jaedong is pissing this game away!
The one piece of tech Snow didn't get was an Observatory! Jaedong would have been better off setting up a Hydra contain, transitioning into a 4th base and a Lurker contain.
Once Snow holds off the would-be game-ending Hydra break, all he needs to do is execute and the game is his. His tech is overwhelming: +1 sairs continually destroying Overlords, a plethora of Reavers in speed shuttles, and a bunch of High Templar / Archons. Jaedong tries to switch to Muta but that has no chance vs +1 sairs and speed shuttles. Gee Gee.
Game 3: Triathlon
Another Z-favored map, with 13 ZvZs (versus 9 TvTs and 4 PvPs) and a 20-12 (62.5%) ZvP winrate. We again see Jaedong opt for overpool for the third consecutive time. But this time we see an exceptionally fast Lair off of just two hatcheries. Zerg rarely goes 2-hatch Lair in ZvP! This screams aggression.
Snow takes his gas when his Core is about 2/3 completion, indicating another tech build. His probe scouts and finds Jaedong's third, which was plopped down when the spire was about 2/5 of the way completed. But Jaedong's third is at an aggressive location! Instead of taking the easy-to-defend third that is protected by cloaked eggs, The Dong takes the third with the shortest flight path to Snow's base.
Snow responds by making a Goon and plopping down a Robo bay. He also adds a second stargate. Okay, this is getting weird. Did Jaedong just metagame Snow? Going two stargate versus Zerg is almost always suicide.
Were these builds pre-determined, as is usually the case in Best of X play, or was this a response to Jaedong's build?
Now the Dizzle takes his protected base in the back of his main. Jaedong will soon have four gas at his disposal, surrounding the Protoss from all sides. Meanwhile Snow is going for a uber aerial-heavy, powerful two-base Sair-Reaver. This is in keeping with the theme of the series: Jaedong cuts corners and plays greedy, Snow opts for tech-heavy, aggressive two-base maneuvers.
This is unusual strategy for a Protoss. Bisu set the standard for the current v Z metagame: after Stargate you add a Citadel, get +1 ground attack and Zealot speed, and put pressure on the greedy Zerg early in the midgame. This easily transitions into a quick DT, buying map control for an early third base, +1 sairs or High Templar play.
Tech-heavy builds allow the Zerg to drone ***** and defend, which they excel at. Protoss's push must do significant damage or soon be overhelmed.
The Tyrant knows what's up and has massed a lethal amount of scourge and Mutalisks, investing in +1 air defense to counter +1 aerial attack. Good micro ensues. Snow needs that protected 3rd gas soon; if you don't do economical damage to a 4-gas Zerg, you're also dead.
Jaedong's micro is better. Snow's harass doesn't do enough damage. Game over.
Game 4: Benezene
A balanced ZvP map. Cross position spawns.
NEXUS FIRST! Snow takes a major risk! I love Nexus first!
Did Snow just metagame Jaedong?
It pays off; Jaedong only makes two initial lings. Big advantage for Snow. And his scouting probe gets to harass the drone attempting to make Jaedong's natural expo.
The first three games he played scared in the mid-game. Jaedong adjusted and cut corners in Game 4. Snow anticipated such adjustment, called his bluff and goes Nexus first! Brilliant!
In StarCraft, small early-game advantages stack into big ones. Did Jaedong even see the Nexus first? By the time his Lings probe the perimeter, one cannon and nice building placement blocks him. (The small natural opening is one reason Protoss has an advantage on this map.)
He never gets an Overlord in, so he may not have. Jaedong opts for an early 4th, but on this map it's not protected. The earlier Nexus gives Snow a huge mid-game army of both +1 sairs and speedlots. Jaedong might lose!
Lurker's just in time! Those Lurkers are able to delay Snow's 3rd. (It is standard for Protosses to delay an observatory for as long as possible.)
Even though Jaedong is on 4-base, only 3 are gas, and he's lost a lot of drones. That Nexus first has given Snow a formidable air and ground army; his presence dominates the map. H
Great Defiler usage can save Jaedong, however. That is a stark possibility: Jaedong's large-army control seems much superior to Snow's. Cracklings take out buildings in ten seconds. Could we see a comeback?
No. Sick game by Snow.
Game 5: Dante's Peak
No series can be great without an epic Game 5. One of the most exciting games in Brood War history!
Entering this Best of 5, The Dong was at the tail end of his peak. Career 68% winrate, second only to Flash. 70% win-rate versus Protoss.
Snow was a relative newcomer, although restricted almost entirely to a vT sniper in Proleague. Career 53% win-rate, but only 41% v Zerg.
Should be a ROFLstomp, right?
Keep in mind that Snow has an excellent practice partner to help train for this set in Hydra, who was unequivocally the second-best Zerg at the time. Hydra would actually go on to win this tournament. Jaedong's team doesn't have a good Protoss.
Game 1: Dante's Peak
This map was broken. ZvP was 5-2 (71.4%), with 6 ZvZs. Protoss lack an easy-to-defend 3rd gas. Even their mineral-only is exposed. Unfortunately for Snow, this is the map for both the first and fifth (if necessary) game.
Cross-position spawns. Snow is forced to make two cannons and pull three probes off the line to block six lings. Win for Jaedong. Snow bounces back by sniping two Overlords with his first two Corsairs. Win for Snow.
Zerg usually opt for 3-hatch spire, make a couple of scourge to scout/drive away Corsairs, and plop down two more hatches. With good building placement ("Sim City"), an Overlord at each base and a couple of static defense in Sunken Colonies, they buy enough time to drone ***** and mass up hydralisks in the mid-game. The hydralisk mass is deadly to Protoss; if Zerg's economy is left untouched Hydras can break the opponent right as he's getting High Templar. Zerg often likes to make 4-5 mutalisks to snipe the High Templar right as the Protoss ball starts to move out.
Jaedong goes 5-hatch spire but transitions into mass muta/scourge. Snow is going sair-reaver. When he gets 5-6 +1 Corsairs and a speed shuttle for the Reaver he'll move out; his harass must do damage and he cannot lose the Reaver for naught. Whoever micros better will win.
Snow gets his shuttle sniped. The game is essentially over.
Snow manages to drag it out with some excellent aggressive shenanigans, even managing to sneak a DT into The Dong's main to take out 14 drones, but Jaedong is on 4-gas versus Snow's 2. Jaedong eventually overruns him.
Game 2: Circuit Breaker http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/404_Circuit_Breaker
This map is awesome! Look at the stats: it doesn't get much more balanced than that.
Cross positions once again. Snow plays cautiously, plopping down two cannons and using two probes to block. I think this is a mistake; because it's cross map the travel distance means Snow should be able to get away with just one cannon. Snow also misses an opportunity to delay Jaedong's expo with probe micro.
Jaedong is playing standard. But we get an inkling of why Snow was playing so cautiously. He takes his second gas before his Core is complete, indicating another tech build.
In Game 1 this was Sair-Reaver, but this time he's opting for absurdly heavy tech. Core into Stargate into Citadel +1 sairs into Templar tech into Robo? All off one gateway?
We even see Snow plop down a third cannon shortly after his initial scout dies, but cancels it as soon as his sair patrols the map. Psychologically speaking, Snow may fear The Dong.
In general The Dong's strategy v Protoss is to play extremely greedy. He cuts corners. He loves to drone *****. He can be opportunistically aggressive, but would prefer to macro up and outclass you with superior late-game micro and macro.
Snow opts for Shuttle-DT play, but once again his Shuttle gets sniped thanks to a clutch Zergling scout by Jaedong. Big win for The Tyrant. Snow is in deep ****. He is still on one gateway.
Instead of an early 4th, or investing in a Lurker contain, Jaedong smells blood and masses Hydras. Snow's first Reaver is out but Jaedong wants to end the game. Unfortunately for Jaedong is overaggressive; fortunately for Snow his Reaver micro is on point. The first Reaver gets 31 kills! The second Reaver gets 20+! Jaedong is pissing this game away!
The one piece of tech Snow didn't get was an Observatory! Jaedong would have been better off setting up a Hydra contain, transitioning into a 4th base and a Lurker contain.
Once Snow holds off the would-be game-ending Hydra break, all he needs to do is execute and the game is his. His tech is overwhelming: +1 sairs continually destroying Overlords, a plethora of Reavers in speed shuttles, and a bunch of High Templar / Archons. Jaedong tries to switch to Muta but that has no chance vs +1 sairs and speed shuttles. Gee Gee.
Game 3: Triathlon
Another Z-favored map, with 13 ZvZs (versus 9 TvTs and 4 PvPs) and a 20-12 (62.5%) ZvP winrate. We again see Jaedong opt for overpool for the third consecutive time. But this time we see an exceptionally fast Lair off of just two hatcheries. Zerg rarely goes 2-hatch Lair in ZvP! This screams aggression.
Snow takes his gas when his Core is about 2/3 completion, indicating another tech build. His probe scouts and finds Jaedong's third, which was plopped down when the spire was about 2/5 of the way completed. But Jaedong's third is at an aggressive location! Instead of taking the easy-to-defend third that is protected by cloaked eggs, The Dong takes the third with the shortest flight path to Snow's base.
Snow responds by making a Goon and plopping down a Robo bay. He also adds a second stargate. Okay, this is getting weird. Did Jaedong just metagame Snow? Going two stargate versus Zerg is almost always suicide.
Were these builds pre-determined, as is usually the case in Best of X play, or was this a response to Jaedong's build?
Now the Dizzle takes his protected base in the back of his main. Jaedong will soon have four gas at his disposal, surrounding the Protoss from all sides. Meanwhile Snow is going for a uber aerial-heavy, powerful two-base Sair-Reaver. This is in keeping with the theme of the series: Jaedong cuts corners and plays greedy, Snow opts for tech-heavy, aggressive two-base maneuvers.
This is unusual strategy for a Protoss. Bisu set the standard for the current v Z metagame: after Stargate you add a Citadel, get +1 ground attack and Zealot speed, and put pressure on the greedy Zerg early in the midgame. This easily transitions into a quick DT, buying map control for an early third base, +1 sairs or High Templar play.
Tech-heavy builds allow the Zerg to drone ***** and defend, which they excel at. Protoss's push must do significant damage or soon be overhelmed.
The Tyrant knows what's up and has massed a lethal amount of scourge and Mutalisks, investing in +1 air defense to counter +1 aerial attack. Good micro ensues. Snow needs that protected 3rd gas soon; if you don't do economical damage to a 4-gas Zerg, you're also dead.
Jaedong's micro is better. Snow's harass doesn't do enough damage. Game over.
Game 4: Benezene
A balanced ZvP map. Cross position spawns.
NEXUS FIRST! Snow takes a major risk! I love Nexus first!
Did Snow just metagame Jaedong?
It pays off; Jaedong only makes two initial lings. Big advantage for Snow. And his scouting probe gets to harass the drone attempting to make Jaedong's natural expo.
The first three games he played scared in the mid-game. Jaedong adjusted and cut corners in Game 4. Snow anticipated such adjustment, called his bluff and goes Nexus first! Brilliant!
In StarCraft, small early-game advantages stack into big ones. Did Jaedong even see the Nexus first? By the time his Lings probe the perimeter, one cannon and nice building placement blocks him. (The small natural opening is one reason Protoss has an advantage on this map.)
He never gets an Overlord in, so he may not have. Jaedong opts for an early 4th, but on this map it's not protected. The earlier Nexus gives Snow a huge mid-game army of both +1 sairs and speedlots. Jaedong might lose!
Lurker's just in time! Those Lurkers are able to delay Snow's 3rd. (It is standard for Protosses to delay an observatory for as long as possible.)
Even though Jaedong is on 4-base, only 3 are gas, and he's lost a lot of drones. That Nexus first has given Snow a formidable air and ground army; his presence dominates the map. H
Great Defiler usage can save Jaedong, however. That is a stark possibility: Jaedong's large-army control seems much superior to Snow's. Cracklings take out buildings in ten seconds. Could we see a comeback?
No. Sick game by Snow.
Game 5: Dante's Peak
No series can be great without an epic Game 5. One of the most exciting games in Brood War history!