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Sora has a chance?

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slisenberg

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Nothing Rhymes with Circus said:
Based on those characteristics, I see no reason for him to not be considered. I wouldn't WANT him in the game, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have any chance at all since he fits the criteria. Unless you can find me a quote where Sakurai specifically says he wouldn't put in a fictional baseball player (he added a racer by the name of Captain Falcon if you recall. Not that large of a stretch).
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Specifically refuting just this point, there is a HUGE difference between a fictional space racer with a plot behind him and a real life baseball player whose name was changed. CF is the main character in a nintendo designed game based entirely off a fictional storyline. Jon Dowd is a real life baseball player playing a minor roll with other real life baseball players with no point other than to take the place of a great player who got in an few arguments.
 
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slisenberg said:
Specifically refuting just this point, there is a HUGE difference between a fictional space racer with a plot behind him and a real life baseball player whose name was changed. CF is the main character in a nintendo designed game based entirely off a fictional storyline. Jon Dowd is a real life baseball player playing a minor roll with other real life baseball players with no point other than to take the place of a great player who got in an few arguments.
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Then Dowd can't get in. But Sora is not a real life baseball player playing a minor role in a sports game, so how is he related? Comparing Sora to Dowd is grasping for straws.

EDIT: ****. I just can't help myself, can I? O_<
 
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Mandalore said:
I don't think explaining a minigame constitutes a true appearance in a game.

Or the fact it wasn't Geno, but just Gaz's doll.
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AH, but Gaz's doll is named Geno, the star spirit is not...

and it was an appearance, they also had to give a big shout out to Square at the end so they went out of their way just to add him, even if it was a cameo
 
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Nothing Rhymes with Circus said:
Then Dowd can't get in. But Sora is not a real life baseball player playing a minor role in a sports game, so how is he related? Comparing Sora to Dowd is grasping for straws.

EDIT: ****. I just can't help myself, can I? O_<
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I'm not saying Sora and Dowd are remotely similar.

I'm saying the logic assuming if criteria

a.) Originated as a video game character and
b.)Has been on a nintendo system.

are met, then the character has a valid chance of making Brawl. Dowd fits both criteria. He has no chance.

Sora is not automatically granted a chance at making it in to Brawl because the logic is wrong.

I admit what I'm arguing is fairly pointless, but there is really no valid reason to include Sora as a character in Brawl, especially considering that there's only one 3rd-party character spot left, which could go to a character like Megaman who has appeared many times on nintendo systems. I don't like the idea that there's a minute chance Sora can make it, because there is really no reason to put her in over or in addition to other 3rd-party characters.


But yeah, I'm effectively arguing semantics.
 
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PsychoIncarnate said:
AH, but Gaz's doll is named Geno, the star spirit is not...

and it was an appearance, they also had to give a big shout out to Square at the end so they went out of their way just to add him, even if it was a cameo
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Ah, I didn't know that. I was wrong.

I still don't really see why a cameo should count as an actual appearance since he isn't really affecting the storyline of Super Saga.
 
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as much as I hate to say it, he has absolutly NO chance since he is owned by square/disney and plus nintendo would have to get his rights which won't happen, maybe in a future smash (if there ever is on) he might make his appearance
 
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GreenKirby said:
All four of those games are fairly well recieved to the public.

And yes, I like Sonic Riders
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Well then by those standards, I could say that Chain of Memories was fairly well received. Effectively debunking the "CoM sucks" argument.

slisenberg said:
I'm not saying Sora and Dowd are remotely similar.

I'm saying the logic assuming if criteria

a.) Originated as a video game character and
b.)Has been on a nintendo system.

are met, then the character has a valid chance of making Brawl. Dowd fits both criteria. He has no chance.

Sora is not automatically granted a chance at making it in to Brawl because the logic is wrong.

I admit what I'm arguing is fairly pointless, but there is really no valid reason to include Sora as a character in Brawl, especially considering that there's only one 3rd-party character spot left, which could go to a character like Megaman who has appeared many times on nintendo systems. I don't like the idea that there's a minute chance Sora can make it, because there is really no reason to put her in over or in addition to other 3rd-party characters.


But yeah, I'm effectively arguing semantics.
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Well, chances aside, I don't think anyone really expects Sora to be in Brawl, so I'm sure we can just agree to. . . I don't know. I'm just done arguing. Bygones.
 
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vesperview said:
Appearance = presence not necessarily a lead role or a catalyst role.
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I didn't mean appearance in the literal sense. Otherwise we could count something rather pointless like Mario in Ocarina of Time for appearing on a picture hidden from the game, or the arwing appearing in OoT. I've never actually met someone that counts those as worthy appearances, even though they are in the game.
 
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Mandalore said:
I didn't mean appearance in the literal sense. Otherwise we could count something rather pointless like Mario in Ocarina of Time for appearing on a picture hidden from the game, or the arwing appearing in OoT. I've never actually met someone that counts those as worthy appearances, even though they are in the game.
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They are inanimate, thus they don't count.
 
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