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We aren't even halfway through october yet.
I just wanna play as my boy.
we out here maining terry day 1

a sick twisted part of my soul hopes that crack shoot can be manually inputted and has the properties of cloud F-Air

yes im asking it to spike have you seen what tiny little baby fist spike ryu and ken have, it's sad
 

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So wait, I'm confused. Are you implying that there's an issue with more complex villains?

Like, you say Mr. Freeze and Harley Quinn changing source material, but the former was a one-note Silver Age villain with no motivation other than being a bald guy w/ a freeze ray, and the latter didn't even exist before the animated series, but was created as a henchwoman / love interest / sidekick / punching bag for Joker. In both these situations, they're taking the source material and expanding upon it. If anything, future versions of these characters take the 'deconstruction' of the villain and outright ignore it. Both of them have very clear arcs of "this is why I'm a villain" and have very clear answers that would solve their issues (i.e. Freeze saving Nora, and Harley getting proper help / breaking away from Joker), but a lot of mediums ignore that depth and simply use the characters on a surface value because they're popular. If you want to argue that these character changes suck because they won't get resolved in order for writers to use them again and again, sure. But the issue isn't that they have complexities.

As for cynicism in the stories, yes, there's a point at which these characters can be too grounded in reality, but I think it's more interesting when you look at a character like Batman, Superman, the Joker, and so on, and ask what brought them to this point. As much as I love the Golden Age and Silver Age of comics, there's a reason why comic book characters have evolved over time, and that's that they really had no depth beyond being good or evil. I think it's more interesting if you ask if Batman is in the right or not by going around beating people up. I think it's interesting if you ask what caused the Joker to be a homicidal clown man, and if everyone would become like him under the same circumstances.

I think having a black-and-white relationship between superheroes and supervillains, where the only reason they're opposed is because one is good and the other is evil, is boring. If we wanna continue the Batman rogues gallery, you have plenty of characters in there who not only challenge Batman in a fight, but also challenge his morals and question why he fights this fight. Like, just a quick run down:
  • Poison Ivy, eco-terrorist who believes the only way to save the Earth and it's plant life is to overtake humanity
  • Bane, a man who's gone through similar trauma, has built his intelligence and strength up to levels similar to Batman's
  • Scarecrow, a man obsessed with fear and learning how to harness it, just like how Batman utilizes fear tactics
  • Riddler, leaving riddles / puzzles behind and challenging Batman's intellect rather than his raw strength
  • Catwoman, a thief and "forbidden love" for Batman

Now there's a place for simple good and evil stories. For example, I love Disney villains. I'm a sucker for a good song and some dope theatrics. I think a movie like Maleficent, where they very clearly try to paint Maleficent as a sympathetic hero who's owed that vengeance, is dumb. But in the context of the stories, I feel like they're not villains for the sake of being villains. They're still there to teach a lesson. For example, The Beast and Gaston. Beast is, well, a beast, but he learns to be selfless, caring, and earns Belle's affections despite starting out as a selfish, cruel monster. Gaston, on the other hand, is handsome, has the affection of the entire town, and can basically get anything he wants except for Belle's affections, but he never stops being selfish or cruel, and he never learns from it.

Long story short, complex is good because it means we don't have cookie cutter heroes and villains with interchangeable costumes and powers.
I was just giving examples of how changes made in movies and tv shows tend to stick. I should have mentioned that not all of them are bad. Although I would argue that Harley’d recent turn into a female Deadpool is pretty bad.

And obviously complex villains are good. But not every villain is complex. Honestly, I’ve been waiting for a long time to finally get another comic book movie where the villains just wanna kill the hero and rob a bank. They all wanna take over the world and they all have some “tragic backstory” and it becomes it’s own version of boring. And I don’t think we should be making characters into something they’re not, because at that point you’re not telling that characters story anymore. Your telling a new one about a new character. And I’ve been wanting to see good and accurate Batman and Superman movies for a while. Especially since We just got this for Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam.
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Ohayo gozaimasu!

I sometimes envy that some of you here can get between 15 and 30+ likes to a single post. I wish I could get that same result with at least one post of mine.

Anyway...since I am bored, I feel like showing y'all some :ultisabelle: drawings of mine later on. In the meantime, please enjoy some :ultisabelle: fan art I found:

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Sayonara :ness:
 

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Ohayo gozaimasu!

I sometimes envy that some of you here can get between 15 and 30+ likes to a single post. I wish I could get that same result with at least one post of mine.

Anyway...since I am bored, I feel like showing y'all some :ultisabelle: drawings of mine later on. In the meantime, please enjoy some :ultisabelle: fan art I found:


Sayonara :ness:
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten that many likes. It’s nothing to be envious of. Although if there was a dislike button I’d probably get a good many on a lot of my posts.
 

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I sometimes envy that some of you here can get between 15 and 30+ likes to a single post. I wish I could get that same result with at least one post of mine.
i wish there was a way to know what post out of all your posts had the most likes, because the only post i've had with 30+ likes was a joke about full house
 

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y'all seen this?

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I mean, I will echo the sentiment that “any developer would say that”.

At the same time, if Blizzard commenting on an Overwatch character “disconfirms” said character, then that thinking would also disconfirm a Touhou character here.

Eh. Who knows? I see it as a disconfirmation but others may see it differently.
 

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I sometimes envy that some of you here can get between 15 and 30+ likes to a single post. I wish I could get that same result with at least one post of mine.
It's a cool thing to have happen but it's not all that important. I usually just say whatever dumb thing is on my mind and just **** off somewhere.
i wish there was a way to know what post out of all your posts had the most likes, because the only post i've had with 30+ likes was a joke about full house
My only 30+ liked comment IIRC was about K. Rool's Smashified render back in 2015. Those days were interesting.

We had a lot to look forward to.
Optimism.


Disappointment.



Triumph.

 

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It's a cool thing to have happen but it's not all that important. I usually just say whatever dumb thing is on my mind and just **** off somewhere.

My only 30+ liked comment IIRC was about K. Rool's Smashified render back in 2015. Those days were interesting.

We had a lot to look forward to.
Optimism.


Disappointment.



Triumph.

*Godly trumpets intensifies*
 

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I mean, I will echo the sentiment that “any developer would say that”.

At the same time, if Blizzard commenting on an Overwatch character “disconfirms” said character, then that thinking would also disconfirm a Touhou character here.

Eh. Who knows? I see it as a disconfirmation but others may see it differently.
I see it as meaningless because obviously they’d lie when asked.
 

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I would had even been okay with the design people thought K. Rool would of had. Just as long as he just got in which he did.

But man having him back with his classic look and golden belly was just icing on cake! :grin:
 

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So apparently Nickelodeon has moved Rise of the TMNT over too it’s sister channel Nicktoons Network, which used to be a cool channel in its own right but now is basically their dumping ground where they send shows to die.

So rejoice turtle fans! This version did NOT stick around. Can’t wait to see what new version they cook up next.
 

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So apparently Nickelodeon has moved Rise of the TMNT over too it’s sister channel Nicktoons Network, which used to be a cool channel in its own right but now is basically their dumping ground where they send shows to die.

So rejoice turtle fans! This version did NOT stick around. Can’t wait to see what new version they cook up next.
YUS!!!! To hell with that abomination and disgrace to the TMNT franchise! :grin:

*Celebrates*

That and Bay's Turtles. No doubt the worst incarnations to the characters.
 
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Something else notable happened in the Pokemon anime today.

Ash's Torracat beat Kukui's Incineroar, then evolved into an Incineroar itself.

Now no one can complain about Incineroar not making sense. As late as it was, this was probably planned from the very beginning, and I could almost guarantee you that's what helped Sakurai pick Incineroar over Decidueye.
 
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YUS!!!! To hell with that abomination and disgrace to the TMNT franchise! :grin:

*Celebrates*

That and Bay's Turtles. No doubt the worst incarnations to the characters.
Hopefully the next incarnation returns to the wonderful middle ground 2012 struck in terms of tone.

I downloaded Nickelodeon Super Brawl Universe on my iPhone. It’s not a bad game, better than it had any right to be, but it’s very much baby’s first fighting game with very simplified touch controls (fighting games really just don’t work on iPhones). Not to mention it’s caught the loot box bug bad. Still really want Nickelodeon to take this concept to home consoles. Too bad there’s pretty much no fighting game developer that would have the needed passion for these characters to do it right. Because they’re all old. And in Japan.
 

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I disagree.
At least they don't look like offspring of Hulk and Shrek.

And at least Raph in Rise doesn't look like some tough guy stereotype or Slash reject (And made as the leader over Leo for some reason which is like making Mikey the serious one) or Don looks like a dork.
 
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