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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Ok, well since it seems to go back, i'm just going to tell my thing on dr mario related to Paper Mario.

So, the worst case that I might get mad if it happens would be to not put dr mario, but put Paper Mario as a clone much like dr mario s (though, I should use semiclone here, it's tend to get merged, but my point is the same).

What this would mean is that they wanted a semiclone, but took not the best choices and I might say a bad one. Dr mario for a mario clone is really the best one. Prior experiences, moveset already worked....it does make it a bit easier when you have a base to work on saving dev time which btw, is one of the side reasons they would want a clone.

HOWEVER, putting Paper Mario as the clone is just bad. Obviously, it just completely waste the potential that again, you could push dr mario, but in no way you can go that much further to tell that it could be more unique to Paper Mario (pm me if you want to know why, this would be way to long to tell). But there's another reasons that I see no mention anywhere, it wastes dev time. You have to take him, MAKE NEW ANIMATIONS due to its structure, they HAVE to fit him well enough and then make moves that HAVE to require not much effort from the mario one and vary them a bit.

That is EXTREMELY pointless for Sakurai and team to do. If they want to do a clone, that means they don't have enough time to do a full new unique character. Therefore, by TRYING to do it with Paper Mario, it's contradicting the purpose.

HOWEVER, I want to remind you soemthing:

He CAN be a clone. That is like 100% objective, he CAN. The problem is is just does not make any sense if the intent is to actually do that. Plus, it just is so much different that really, it does become harder to use his potential so it FEELS enough different without breaking his nature....so, it's very unlikely for him to be a clone candidate even if it's possible.

Now, I just want to end this right there, dr mario as clone and Paper Mario not there at all is A VERY GREAT OUTCOME!!!!

Why?

Because it shows that they took a clone since they wanted to, but if they ever wanted to put Paper Mario (which is possible with the stage hint and the full repping), it was simply previously decided that they can't. Or, it was simply not there in the first place for reasons, but again, not putting him as a clone is a good thing and this is why I actually applaud Sakurai for that....he got a stage, that alone is big.

Now, both can be in.

Ok, I just want to rant on this because this has been frustating me so much and no one get it.

When 4 rep was confirmed, I saw a lot saying it was enough (which is true), but going to say there shoudln't is just....why?

Because when rosalina got announced, mind blown and guess what? People thought, "ok I can live with this, but THIS time it's it, there's just no chances for anything mario now". Again, considering Sakurai potential, why?

Bowser jr and dr mario confirmed, FULL FREAKING HATE and even flamming on the Paper Mario thread for dr mario so much that I had to make this into private group....

AND I STILL SEE THE SAME THING AS NO REP SHOULD BE THERE NOW!!!!!

Like, sorry, but this makes so much no sense that I really grew tired of the repping thinking here. There's flaws in logic that I really just want to not read and just get back on my thread.

As for my stands on dr mario, as I just said, I'm perfectly fine with him getting in or not if Paper Mario is in or not. meaning that if you flame dr mario for that, I really think you should think twice, because there's like no relation.

Dr mario in DOES NOT = not Paper Mario
and Paper Mario in DOES NOT = not dr mario.

I have to be direct for once, but you now get why I don't talk on character discussion.

I could try to get it before, but considering the recurrence of the situation 3 times, I'm just mad to try to talk about this now.

And next on my ignore list goes to..
A TLDR would be nice

Sir, I'm afraid I have to disagree.

We all know Swag master Robin is the best

"Reckless Fool!"

 

[_gold_]

This is the Bowser Jr. we should have had! Look at that lil' guy! There isn't enough of his bandana nowadays. It made him a little mysterious, but also cute. Trying to live up to his menacing dad.
I always thought his paintbrush could have a lot of potential for some creative movesets too.

 

[Soul.]

wolf pls
ice climbers pls new 3ds only
lucas pls
mewtwo pls
rayman pls
snack pls
sanic pls
pichu pls
raichu pls
riedly pls
krystal pls
k. rool pls

speculation pls

 

[Opossum]

The fact that we FINALLY got a mech character, especially Junior, makes me love it. Much better than an on-foot-paintbrush moveset in my opinion.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And here I am accepting the fact that of all potential Mario characters, Daisy has a snowball's chance in Hell. She's the second most hated Mario character next to the babies, only relevant because of spinoffs, and Waluigi has a better shot since he's at least a likable character. The only thing left is to hope that Nintendo will do more with her in games that aren't spinoffs like 3D Land or *gulp* New Super Mario Bros. It sucks to be a fan of Daisy and Super Smash Bros.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've not played any Fire Emblem games.

So therefore, that puts me in the position of not having a favorite Fire Emblem character.

(well, actually the closest for that just going by his portrayal in Smash would be Ike...)

 

[Morbi]

You don't care if the person your ignoring knows your ignoring them do you? I should be more like you

Teach me Senpai

No, he does care that they are aware that he is ignoring them because they have to pay attention to his ignoring attempts. They have to feel the pain of being ignored. You can't very well ignore someone without an audience.

 

[Space Stranger]

And here I am accepting the fact that of all potential Mario characters, Daisy has a snowball's chance in Hell. She's the second most hated Mario character next to the babies, only relevant because of spinoffs, and Waluigi has a better shot since he's at least a likable character. The only thing left is to hope that Nintendo will do more with her in games that aren't spinoffs like 3D Land or *gulp* New Super Mario Bros. It sucks to be a fan of Daisy and Super Smash Bros.

DID SOMEBODY SAY MORE IN GAMES AND SPINOFFS!?

 

[RamOne]

And here I am accepting the fact that of all potential Mario characters, Daisy has a snowball's chance in Hell. She's the second most hated Mario character next to the babies, only relevant because of spinoffs, and Waluigi has a better shot since he's at least a likable character. The only thing left is to hope that Nintendo will do more with her in games that aren't spinoffs like 3D Land or *gulp* New Super Mario Bros. It sucks to be a fan of Daisy and Super Smash Bros.

She got cut in 3D World.

Ignore this. Didn't read your point about 3D Land.

 

[Soul.]

The only Marth I would want is Brawl Marth.
smash 4 marth = lol

 

[Blargg888]

It's easy to get creative with the Clown Car. You could add all sorts of mechanisms that would hardly look out of place.

Didn't know the claw thing was from Mario Party 9, though!

And yeah, the Koopalings rode the Clown Car too, which makes them fit as Bowser Jr.'s alts.

Yeah.
Spoilers:

Spoiler

I mean, Bowser Jr. in the Junior Clown Car (Yes, he has his own personally named Clown Car) also shows up in Dream Team, as well as Sticker Star, but as far as I can tell, there are no attacks from there that are included in Smash.

Spoiler

He's the Secret Bonus Boss in DT, that's why this is spoilered.

This is the Bowser Jr. we should have had! Look at that lil' guy! There isn't enough of his bandana nowadays. It made him a little mysterious, but also cute. Trying to live up to his menacing dad.

I think he's fine the way he is in Smash.
I don't really think that a paintbrush moveset would work as well as what we have now.

 

[Croph]

The fact that we FINALLY got a mech character, especially Junior, makes me love it. Much better than an on-foot-paintbrush moveset in my opinion.

Or they could kill two birds with one stone, and give Jr. a paintbrush moveset, and keep the Koopalings in the Clown Car. But Sakurai isn't that awesome.

 

[Morbi]

The only Marth I would want back is Brawl Marth.
smash 4 marth = lol

Melee Marth is arguably better than Brawl Marth. So that would also be a Marth that I would want back. We can have all three in one game, Sakurai does not really care about cloning Marth's move-set after all.

 

[Opossum]

Or they could kill two birds with one stone, and give Jr. a paintbrush moveset, and keep the Koopalings in the Clown Car. But Sakurai isn't that awesome.

But I like Junior in the Clown Car. D:

 

[Morbi]

But I like Junior in the Clown Car. D:

He could always drive around in his Clown Car AND have the paintbrush. Thuggin.

 

[Soul.]

Melee Marth is arguably better than Brawl Marth. So that would also be a Marth that I would want back. We can have all three in one game, Sakurai does not really care about cloning Marth's move-set after all.

Yes, Melee Marth is best Marth. I would want Brawl Marth only for SHDFA (short hop double fair) and be more fluid.
also no lucina pls

 

[_gold_]

If we're talking clown cars, Bowser should have had a clown car type move a long time ago. At least we say a quick cameo in Subspace Emissary.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

She got cut in 3D World.

Ignore this. Didn't read your point about 3D Land.

If that's real, then I'm fully convinced that Nintendo finds Rosalina much more profitable than her. I guess the only Mario character left to support for the next round is Toad.

 

[Croph]

But I like Junior in the Clown Car. D:

You still have:

So many Koopas to choose from, and ya still not satisfied?

Seriously though, valid point. I'm just looking at Jr. from a moveset perspective, which I've always liked the idea of the paintbrush and different potential goop types.

 

[Space Stranger]

The only Marth I would want is Brawl Marth.
smash 4 marth = lol

Or, we just clone the 3 iterations if Marth and add Leif, Roy, and Lucina:
Melee- Marth
Brawl- Leif
Smash 4- Lucina
Sticker- Roy
Watered down Melee- Roy

 

[Kenith]

This is the Bowser Jr. we should have had! Look at that lil' guy! There isn't enough of his bandana nowadays. It made him a little mysterious, but also cute. Trying to live up to his menacing dad.
I always thought his paintbrush could have a lot of potential for some creative movesets too.

I prefer the Bowser Jr. we got in Smash.
Besides, if you're looking for an ink-based moveset, this is who you should be rooting for:

 

[Frostwraith]

Ok, well since it seems to go back, i'm just going to tell my thing on dr mario related to Paper Mario.

So, the worst case that I might get mad if it happens would be to not put dr mario, but put Paper Mario as a clone much like dr mario s (though, I should use semiclone here, it's tend to get merged, but my point is the same).

What this would mean is that they wanted a semiclone, but took not the best choices and I might say a bad one. Dr mario for a mario clone is really the best one. Prior experiences, moveset already worked....it does make it a bit easier when you have a base to work on saving dev time which btw, is one of the side reasons they would want a clone.

HOWEVER, putting Paper Mario as the clone is just bad. Obviously, it just completely waste the potential that again, you could push dr mario, but in no way you can go that much further to tell that it could be more unique to Paper Mario (pm me if you want to know why, this would be way to long to tell). But there's another reasons that I see no mention anywhere, it wastes dev time. You have to take him, MAKE NEW ANIMATIONS due to its structure, they HAVE to fit him well enough and then make moves that HAVE to require not much effort from the mario one and vary them a bit.

That is EXTREMELY pointless for Sakurai and team to do. If they want to do a clone, that means they don't have enough time to do a full new unique character. Therefore, by TRYING to do it with Paper Mario, it's contradicting the purpose.

HOWEVER, I want to remind you soemthing:

He CAN be a clone. That is like 100% objective, he CAN. The problem is is just does not make any sense if the intent is to actually do that. Plus, it just is so much different that really, it does become harder to use his potential so it FEELS enough different without breaking his nature....so, it's very unlikely for him to be a clone candidate even if it's possible.

Now, I just want to end this right there, dr mario as clone and Paper Mario not there at all is A VERY GREAT OUTCOME!!!!

Why?

Because it shows that they took a clone since they wanted to, but if they ever wanted to put Paper Mario (which is possible with the stage hint and the full repping), it was simply previously decided that they can't. Or, it was simply not there in the first place for reasons, but again, not putting him as a clone is a good thing and this is why I actually applaud Sakurai for that....he got a stage, that alone is big.

Now, both can be in.

Ok, I just want to rant on this because this has been frustating me so much and no one get it.

When 4 rep was confirmed, I saw a lot saying it was enough (which is true), but going to say there shoudln't is just....why?

Because when rosalina got announced, mind blown and guess what? People thought, "ok I can live with this, but THIS time it's it, there's just no chances for anything mario now". Again, considering Sakurai potential, why?

Bowser jr and dr mario confirmed, FULL FREAKING HATE and even flamming on the Paper Mario thread for dr mario so much that I had to make this into private group....

AND I STILL SEE THE SAME THING AS NO REP SHOULD BE THERE NOW!!!!!

Like, sorry, but this makes so much no sense that I really grew tired of the repping thinking here. There's flaws in logic that I really just want to not read and just get back on my thread.

As for my stands on dr mario, as I just said, I'm perfectly fine with him getting in or not if Paper Mario is in or not. meaning that if you flame dr mario for that, I really think you should think twice, because there's like no relation.

Dr mario in DOES NOT = not Paper Mario
and Paper Mario in DOES NOT = not dr mario.

I have to be direct for once, but you now get why I don't talk on character discussion.

I could try to get it before, but considering the recurrence of the situation 3 times, I'm just mad to try to talk about this now.

Not even bothering to read the wall of text in its full glory, but your argumentation is a lot like the one once used for Wind Waker Link in the past... We all know how that turned out. (Spoiler alert: Toon Link in Smash is a semi-clone of Link.)

You don't care if the person your ignoring knows your ignoring them do you? I should be more like you

Teach me Senpai

Lesson #1 (and possibly the only one): Observe what I do and look up to me.

Observation is one of the essences of learning.

And indeed, if I'm to put someone in the ignore list, I'd do so silently and without the one being ignored's knowledge. At least directly, with some nasty implications strung between my words.

This is the Bowser Jr. we should have had! Look at that lil' guy! There isn't enough of his bandana nowadays. It made him a little mysterious, but also cute. Trying to live up to his menacing dad.

Consider what his Clown Car has:
- drills
- circular saw
- fork
- giant boxing gloves
- kart wheels and engine
- propeller

Hitting foes with drills, a saw and a propeller? That's some hardcore **** he can pull off. All while looking cute and riding a cute clown-faced mecha.

And the trailer gave him a sadistic and psycho vibe. I think even Ganondorf would be proud, let alone daddy Bowser.

Anyway, I'm getting sleepy as ****, so I'm off.

See ya.

 

[Opossum]

You still have:

So many Koopas to choose from, and ya still not satisfied?

But then who gets the eighth costume?

 

[Space Stranger]

I prefer the Bowser Jr. we got in Smash.
Besides, if you're looking for an ink-based moveset, this is who you should be rooting for:

ANOTHUR ****ING SUNSHINE REP!?

 

[Morbi]

You still have:

So many Koopas to choose from, and ya still not satisfied?

Seriously though, valid point.

Every character needs eight palette swaps, so... we are going to have to have a Koopaling OC or one of these guys is going to need to turn sea-foam green.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

A Paintbrush Junior would've been nice but I like the way he ultimately turned out.

Seeing Junior in the game after Rosalina was revealed first was a seriously nice surprise for me, and the Koopalings all being his alts was an even bigger shock. Which made it all the more satisfying.

 

[Luggy]

And here I am accepting the fact that of all potential Mario characters, Daisy has a snowball's chance in Hell. She's the second most hated Mario character next to the babies, only relevant because of spinoffs, and Waluigi has a better shot since he's at least a likable character. The only thing left is to hope that Nintendo will do more with her in games that aren't spinoffs like 3D Land or *gulp* New Super Mario Bros. It sucks to be a fan of Daisy and Super Smash Bros.

Nintendo : Nah, it's better to make a game about Toad.
Fans : But what about a Wario game ?
Nintendo : Wario Ware ? We got plenty of that !
Fans : No...Wario Land. And what about a game about Waluigi ?
Nintendo : You mean a new Luigi's Mansion ? On it's way mah boy !
Fans : Nintendo, please...can we at least have Daisy in a canon game ?
Nintendo : You said Rosalina ? GREAT ! We planned to do a game based on her.
Fans : Ninten-
Nintendo : Shut up little dwarf ! Now we're gonna make a new Mario Kart. We're cutting Daisy and Waluigi to add Metal Luigi and Metal Baby Mario.
Fans : But Nintend-
Nintendo : Shut up ! Or else we won't release a new F-Zero game for an other 20 years.
Fans : *cry*

In a nutshell, that's Nintendo for me with the Mario franchise.

 

[Space Stranger]

But then who gets the eighth costume?

Baby .

 

[Croph]

Every character needs eight palette swaps, so... we are going to have to have a Koopaling OC or one of these guys is going to need to turn sea-foam green.

In Smash 4.

Who knows how many palette swaps we'll get in the future.

Baby .

That could actually work.

 

[Radical Bones]

And here I am accepting the fact that of all potential Mario characters, Daisy has a snowball's chance in Hell. She's the second most hated Mario character next to the babies, only relevant because of spinoffs, and Waluigi has a better shot since he's at least a likable character. The only thing left is to hope that Nintendo will do more with her in games that aren't spinoffs like 3D Land or *gulp* New Super Mario Bros. It sucks to be a fan of Daisy and Super Smash Bros.

Your only hope is that she becomes a fly fledged alt rather than a palette swap.

Also, I've always wanted Bowser Jr. in with his paintbrush... But this is way better. Mech for the win.

 

[Deleted member]

wolf pls
ice climbers pls new 3ds only
lucas pls
mewtwo pls
rayman pls
snack pls
sanic pls
pichu pls
raichu pls
riedly pls
krystal pls
k. rool pls

speculation pls

The New 3DS processing power difference is probably minimal compared to the original, so no.

 

[Space Stranger]

Nintendo : Nah, it's better to make a game about Toad.
Fans : But what about a Wario game ?
Nintendo : Wario Ware ? We got plenty of that !
Fans : No...Wario Land. And what about a game about Waluigi ?
Nintendo : You mean a new Luigi's Mansion ? On it's way mah boy !
Fans : Nintendo, please...can we at least have Daisy in a canon game ?
Nintendo : You said Rosalina ? GREAT ! We planned to do a game based on her.
Fans : Ninten-
Nintendo : Shut up little dwarf ! Now we're gonna make a new Mario Kart. We're cutting Daisy and Waluigi to add Metal Luigi and Metal Baby Mario.
Fans : But Nintend-
Nintendo : Shut up ! Or else we won't release a new F-Zero game for an other 20 years.
Fans : *cry*

In a nutshell, that's Nintendo for me with the Mario franchise.

Okay, so I guess Kart 8 stopped existing.
*dodges various boos from crowd*

 

[Opossum]

Baby .

The pessimist in me was half-expecting someone to say "Chrom."


I don't know what to say about that.

 

[Soul.]

ANOTHUR ****ING SUNSHINE REP!?

Inkling is apparently love

 

[Morbi]

Not even bothering to read the wall of text in its full glory, but your argumentation is a lot like the one once used for Wind Waker Link in the past... We all know how that turned out. (Spoiler alert: Toon Link in Smash is a semi-clone of Link.)


Lesson #1 (and possibly the only one): Observe what I do and look up to me.

Observation is one of the essences of learning.

And indeed, if I'm to put someone in the ignore list, I'd do so silently and without the one being ignored's knowledge. At least directly, with some nasty implications strung between my words.


Consider what his Clown Car has:
- drills
- circular saw
- fork
- giant boxing gloves
- kart wheels and engine
- propeller

Hitting foes with drills, a saw and a propeller? That's some hardcore **** he can pull off. All while looking cute and riding a cute clown-faced mecha.

And the trailer gave him a sadistic and psycho vibe. I think even Ganondorf would be proud, let alone daddy Bowser.

Anyway, I'm getting sleepy as ****, so I'm off.

See ya.

What? "Hey, I did not even bother to read your post; however, I believe I discerned a similar and unrelated argument used in the past. So the argument I did not read is invalid."

 

[Knight Dude]

Turns out we might actually get a new 2-D DBZ game, if anyone else is interested. Hopefully, it'll come out in the states. Because I like the more "traditional" DBZ fighting games. It's gonna be on the 3DS.

 

[praline]

*gags* THE WRONG IT BUUUUURRNS!

Everyone knows that Micaiah and Sothe are both horrible characters who are also average units. is the only correct Tellius rep.

If Awakening didn't get a rep, I would rather have Ephriam, Alm, or Hector.

I didn't mean in place of an Awakening rep.

 

[Space Stranger]

I didn't mean in place of an Awakening rep.

I know that, I was expressing my disgust in how you erroneously though Michiah would make a good character.

 

[Strofirko]

Oh no I jumped on the wrong thread again too much sugar here:

 

[Substitution]

I for one think Archer would make a fine Fire Emblem rep. It's about time nameless minions got represented.
(At least I think they're a thing in FE.)