So me and m2k have come to the conclusion...

[XienZo]

well if he's saying camping and not just f-b... then possibly, but highly unlikely due to low priority on pikmin atk's, and low range on olimar atks.... highly doubtful

low range? Have you used Olimar? Pivot grab and F-smash outrange a majority of other character's approaching moves.

 

[Judge Judy]

I'm not sure if I agree with this, there are ways around camping even Olimar's. Olimar has some of the best range in the game but that doesn't make him impossible to touch.

PS: FLUDD also works on a camping Olimar

 

[Pyronic_Star]

low range? Have you used Olimar? Pivot grab and F-smash outrange a majority of other character's approaching moves.

olimar has little range, his pikmin however do... theres a difference, and with the pikmins range, comes low pirority, i have been hit numerous times due to low priority of pikmin atks

 

[A2ZOMG]

No, this is absolutely right. Olimar hardcounters MK, G&W, DDD, DK, and everyone else who matters that isn't named falco. You must just be doing it wrong, TheWii.

He only hardcounters DK and DDD, who are huge targets.

G&W outcamps Olimar, and has very good edgeguarding on him and can juggle him, so he has the advantage in the matchup. If Olimar whiffs a grab, he does get punished anyhow with a B-air, and it's not hard for G&W to limit Olimar to ONLY grabbing by simply D-tilting, which can't be punished at all by Olimar unless G&W does it wrong.

MK I dunno honestly, I hear that his priority is funky vs Pikmin, but otherwise the matchup can't be that bad for him since he has gimps.

 

[DMG]

He only hardcounters DK and DDD, who are huge targets.

G&W outcamps Olimar, and has very good edgeguarding on him and can juggle him, so he has the advantage in the matchup. If Olimar whiffs a grab, he does get punished anyhow with a B-air, and it's not hard for G&W to limit Olimar to ONLY grabbing by simply D-tilting, which can't be punished at all by Olimar unless G&W does it wrong.

MK I dunno honestly, I hear that his priority is funky vs Pikmin, but otherwise the matchup can't be that bad for him since he has gimps.

In theory, he should hard counter a lot of characters.

G&W does not outcamp Olimar. If you can't hit Olimar, then you can't juggle him or edgeguard him, and what they are trying to say is that it is possible to play Olimar to a certain degree where his range on his moves can be abused to the point where you cannot reach him.

If you punish him with Bair, he can just SDI it. G&W's Dtilt does not shut down Olimar, and it is not impossible to punish it with a grab.

Same for MK, you should be able to theoretically abuse your range to the point where he cannot hit you.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Olimar and GnW are an odd matchup to people. In my eyes, Olimar beats GnW.
What does GnW outcamp Olimar with? Surely not bair or dair. I doubt you mean bacon too.

Ah... DK is good against Olimar.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

atomsk you're just a nooby noob noob stupid face and mew2king is so bad he's just a nooby noob noob too

(i hope you guys know im joking)

You guys both suck at brawl and have INFLATED EGOS BECAUSE YOU SERIOUSLY HAVE NO SKILLS AT ALL, YOU BUTTON MASHING NOOBS. I BET ANTHER GETS MORE GIRLS ON A SLOW THURSDAY THEN EITHER OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN IN YOUR LIVES. GET A REAL JOB AND A NICE TAN, YOU UNDERPERFORMING LOSERS.

I'm joking too.

 

[XienZo]

olimar has little range, his pikmin however do... theres a difference, and with the pikmins range, comes low pirority, i have been hit numerous times due to low priority of pikmin atks

GRAB. PIVOT GRAB.

without grabs, Olimar would suck, but now G&W can't just overprioritize Olimar anymore cause he has GRABS. YOu really can't out prioritize them, can't outrange them, you can jump, but thats when the REAL fun begins.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Olimar and GnW are an odd matchup to people. In my eyes, Olimar beats GnW.
What does GnW outcamp Olimar with? Surely not bair or dair. I doubt you mean bacon too.

Ah... DK is good against Olimar.

D-tilt OUTCAMPS Olimar because when G&W D-tilts, Olimar has ZERO options on G&W except for grab. D-tilt beats EVERY SINGLE OTHER ATTACK OLIMAR DOES. This is NOT an exaggeration.

G&W does not outcamp Olimar. If you can't hit Olimar, then you can't juggle him or edgeguard him, and what they are trying to say is that it is possible to play Olimar to a certain degree where his range on his moves can be abused to the point where you cannot reach him.

G&W DOES outcamp Olimar. G&W is better at avoiding Olimar's offenses than Olimar is at avoiding G&W's offenses. Neither should actually be doing any damage to each other in theory, since a single D-tilt cannot be punished on reaction by Olimar due to it outranging him and beating out his Smash attacks, and if G&W sees Olimar approaching, his B-air will counter any attempts to grab. If G&W gets grabbed for using a D-tilt, he was being stupid.

All in all Olimar vs G&W is super super gay, since someone has to go offensive for anything to happen. It's a lot easier however for Olimar to make a mistake against G&W's offenses as opposed to the other way around, and G&W is also better to a degree at capitalizing on Olimar's mistakes.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Bair and dtilt are grabbable. Olimar's strong suit is his grab.
I fail to understand. Also, yellows can latch and rarely others as well as purple clanking GnW out of it.
All approaches are punishable also.

By 'perfect' standards I'd believe that the game would end in a tie.
However, if the GnW does bair or dairs, the GnW will lose.

 

[asob4]

GnW and Oli are even, leave it at that

vs DK, we have an advantage blackwaltz
i swearsies

 

[DMG]

GnW and Oli are even, leave it at that

vs DK, we have an advantage blackwaltz
i swearsies

They may be even, but I doubt G&W out camps Olimar. Pikmin Grab >>> G&W Dtilt.

I could see Olimar having an advantage over DK.

 

[asob4]

purple pikmin >>> GnW dtilt?

i believe it is 60-40 oli's favor
the only person who argued with me was bigfoot
he told me to play a good DK
according to him only jmex and him were good DK's
i played jmex's DK in tournament and won both times with olimar
playing smart and using the WAC to prevent any good options he had, which led to me grabbing him or punishing him in some other way.

oli's favor :]

/rant

 

[A2ZOMG]

They may be even, but I doubt G&W out camps Olimar. Pikmin Grab >>> G&W Dtilt.

D-tilt has essentially ZERO ending lag, and G&W is only going to use it to deflect EVERYTHING ELSE Olimar does, and when that scenario happens, Olimar is not going to have time to initiate a grab before G&W's D-tilt ends first and gives him the option to prepare something else.

Hence why G&W ONLY gets grabbed out of his D-tilt if he's being stupid. You're not going to D-tilt two times in a row before noticing Olimar's position and you're not going to D-tilt before he does an attack, and if he does an attack, you will always have time to deflect it with the D-tilt.

His grab can be punished by a B-air on reaction as I noted. You MIGHT be able to grab G&W out of his SH B-air, but that's only if YOU anticipate it coming. If it's the other way around, YOU get hit.

 

[KirbycidexX]

Yeah, we know. There's some exceptions though, such as Peach- a character that can just float over everything.

Too bad no-one's perfect. M2K should use Olimar and own everyone with this perfect camp if MK gets banned. eh?

Thats why you have yellow pikmin and an u-smash lol

 

[XienZo]

Thats why you have yellow pikmin and an u-smash lol

Nah, what we needed is a tiltable Usmash like how a lot of characters can tilt Fsmashes and ftilts. That would own.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Uptilt beats Peach.

Also, I guess Oli may have an advantage on DK cus of the whole Latch thing, but DKs can get latches off and they can use bair walls. Bair walls ARE grabbable and if that happens, they can switch it up with forward B and it lands on us.
Jab beats our latch, ftilt beats our grab/ground moves cept tilts and jab (Which clash)
I'm not sure.. I only had one DK beat me before.

 

[asob4]

WAC is like so important in that match up. as you can WAC through their approach and get an easy grab
>b stops their momentum so they need to be relatively close to the ground to hit us with it (not sure bout size of hitbox) and it has start up lag allowing us to WAC or GTFO.

latches help, but grabs and WAC are his bane
plus a juggle will lead to insane %'s because he has no reliable move to use when you're below him

 

[BlackWaltzX]

I'd agree with that though..

SH bair to bair to ftilt to downB can work with poor/minimum DI.
(DK on us)
He can switch it to SHbair to fb to fsmash/Bpunch

The side b only happened when I played on wifi, not sure if it's hard to dodge or not offline.

 

[asob4]

good thing we're good at DI then huh :D lol