Snake isnt that Great

[jkrohn99]

Everyone gives snake so much credit as the best charcter even though i think he is actually not even close to being as great as meta knigt. With snake all u have to dodge one attack then he is to slow to recover so you can him with a smash attack or something. Plz state your opinion at the bottom.

 

[Greenstreet]

snakes tend to be smarter and not allow for such dodges or will try to avoid them at all costs. not many ppl really say he is the best character, we all acknowledge metaknight as really strong as well as snake, but there isno best character in this game, it depends on how u adjust ur playstyle to use them...

have a good 1

 

[SaxDude93]

*points to sig*

 

[Alus]

*sigh* its best not to break his heart yet here...he will learn...sigh...

snake has the best moveset in the game

his smashes are bs
his tilts l337

you had to have posted this as a joke or something....
i dont play as snake and i hate him too...but I know better....

and who says he is the best char?

he is a heavyweight and has poor arials.

but if you learn to use his moves it will be immpossible to be dodged or avoided etc...

but you have to LEARN!!!

and saying that someone sucks says that you refuse to learn...

this is my 8th day here and ive learned quite a bit...by not saying that someone sucks for their "diffrent" moveset...

he is just not your style and thats fine....

btw ( neither is as good as lucario =D)

heh...just playin

 

[Cat Fight]

Yes he is.

End topic.

 

[Killress]

Yes he is.

End topic.

Cat Fight has such a way with words.

 

[SummerObsession]

I'll just give the customary response to you when someone says X character isn't that good. Play better X's or, You haven't been playing good X's, I mean Snakes. Seriously a good Snake player is deadly.

 

[CouRt]

snake, IMO, ***** meta knight.
but im talking about a good snake player. not someone who spams his missle and jab combos the whole time. if you know how to play mind games and tilt correctly, and NOT get caught doing something stupid, then you should win every time. now im speaking pretty generally, but i dont see a problem with snake at all. tilts are gross. smashs are gross. his recovery is very good even tho there are many ways to mess snake up, but still better then mostt.
<3

 

[johnnylaw505]

snake, IMO, ***** meta knight.
but im talking about a good snake player. not someone who spams his missle and jab combos the whole time. if you know how to play mind games and tilt correctly, and NOT get caught doing something stupid, then you should win every time. now im speaking pretty generally, but i dont see a problem with snake at all. tilts are gross. smashs are gross. his recovery is very good even tho there are many ways to mess snake up, but still better then mostt.
<3

I disagree. Ive played some good snake players but always felt that my MK had the advantage solely due to speed. Now again, I agree Snake is better than most characters but he does not **** MK.

 

[JesiahTEG]

snake, IMO, ***** meta knight.
but im talking about a good snake player. not someone who spams his missle and jab combos the whole time. if you know how to play mind games and tilt correctly, and NOT get caught doing something stupid, then you should win every time. now im speaking pretty generally, but i dont see a problem with snake at all. tilts are gross. smashs are gross. his recovery is very good even tho there are many ways to mess snake up, but still better then mostt.
<3

Snake doesn't **** MK. He probably barely has an advantage. IMO it's even but w/e.

 

[napZzz]

snake vs. mk match up is prolly 6/4 in snakes favor.

 

[johnnylaw505]

snake vs. mk match up is prolly 6/4 in snakes favor.

Why is this?

 

[napZzz]

snake can kill meta at low%'s, and snake can last to higher %'s against him. just other small reasons too

 

[johnnylaw505]

This is true. But from experience I still have to disagree.

 

[Grunt]

You're right. despite having twice as many tourney wins as anyone else, he sucks.

 

[johnnylaw505]

Haha, well, im not great but I did place 3rd at a recent tournament. I sent Forward (who played a most awesome snake) to the losers bracket. And lost to DSF in the winners finals. DSF dittoed me, which doesnt say alot about my MK although DSF is ranked number 1 in SoCAL. I then lost too Melee1 from dallas who is actually incredible with ic's.

But I digress, MK is better (from my experience) and since I doubt ill be in Minnesota anytime soon I guess these are just words.

And youre from oregon? planning on doing any cali tourneys? Ill be cruising the coast on a brawl tour later this fall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQC42rQSTFA

this is what I was up against. (DSF FORWARD TOO GOOD)

 

[A2ZOMG]

I thought the OP would say something intelligent. <<

I guess I'll do that.

Snake has like at least 6 matchups that are out of his favor (DDD, Falco, Pikachu, R.O.B., ICs, Wolf), while MK has only one or two matchups out of his favor (Snake, and G&W). MK is clearly the better character. Oh, but reasons why Snake sucks.

Snake has a bad air game, an easily spiked recovery (which many characters can set up into easily), moves slowly without his mortar slide, and the moving slowly part is an issue because he is very bad at dealing with other projectile spam. Also he has only ONE reliable kill move (U-tilt), whereas MK has at least three (D-smash, Up-B, D-air, maybe glide attack).

And by reliable, just keep in mind that I mean a kill move that you can land consistently, that isn't going to be totally wrecked by diminishing returns or being ultra telegraphed or unsafe on block/dodge. Snake's F-tilt and Jab for example are NOT reliable kill moves because Snake does better using these attacks for damage dealing. Snake cannot use his aerials often as kill moves because if he completely whiffs them, then he will be punished. His explosives are all situational. Yeah.

Matchups
DDD: CG ***** Snake. No further explanation is needed.
Falco: laser camping destroys mortar slide. Chaingrab easily sets up into a spike.
Pikachu: CG lameness, Thunder Jolts, Thunder ledgeguard, oh my.
R.O.B.: Lazor camping and Smashes which beat the mortar slide IIRC. Plus R.O.B. is just too good at ledgeguarding
ICs: Ice blocks stop the Mortar slide. Chaingrab needs no further explanation.
Wolf: OMG LASER CAMPING. D-throw and then spike Snake.

And besides, Forte's Bowser beat Chillindude's Snake. Like seriously wtf...

 

[napZzz]

whats your point?


chillindudes snake is good but not great

you just proved snake is far from broken and meta knight is =P

 

[drab]

every character and player has a weakness, the key to beating a snake player is finding that weakness and taking advantage of it, so the outcome of a match really depends on whether or not the opponent of a snake player can find a abuse the faults of his/her opponent because snake does have a pretty sick move set

 

[Alus]

Yes he is.

End topic.

3 words from you say so many things...

 

[mr_kennedy44]

you just proved snake is far from broken and meta knight is =P

QFT.

Spoiler

10char

 

[Cat Fight]

3 words from you say so many things...

Nothing else really needs to be said. I'm sick of seeing this kind of discussion over and over and over and over and over and over and over, yet people still debate about this kind of topic.

No one else thinks that this is boring?... *shrug*