Smash's Future And Why We MUST Support Smash 4 The Most

[FalKoopa]

Aren't we going off topic here? This thread isn't about Nintendo's future...

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Really though. They couldn't have a picked a lazier name haha. Even Wii2 would be better haha. I don't think Nintendo's going to go bankrupt soon, either. Although they might not always have the best selling systems, they produce quality hardware that makes the most of their hardware. I mean, the DS was a boon for so many games because you were able to reduce so much clutter by having two screens. The ability to simultaneously input commands on both screens, or just having the ability to touch the screen and press buttons at the same time laid way for extremely high quality games such as The World Ends With You and Knights in The Nightmare that would have been next to impossible to do on any other portable at the time.

Smash 4 is still up in the air as to whether it will be deemed good. It is great that Sakurai finally hears us as a community, and honestly you can't expect such a transition from purely casual to somewhat competitive to be flawless or even modern, really. As purely casual games, and as a game in general, the Smash Bros. series has been high quality and packed with content. Most likely it will get sales regardless of what we think, but for the series to get more sales and to draw more players in, competitive appeal needs to be there as well. So this title is trying to start that, and has done many things to ease its way into our community. It's not a perfect transition, but really it can only get better from here. It's a possibility that Nintendo can use Smash to pave the way for other games that will be fiercely competitive, but that's just a thought

Personally I would have chosen Nintendo Revolution instead of the Wii U.

 

[Jerm]

Personally I would have chosen Nintendo Revolution instead of the Wii U.

Yea "Wii U" is an awful name. Half the people I talk to haven't heard of it, and the other half think it's an upgraded Wii as opposed to an entirely new system. The name is very misleading and confusing to casual people.

 

[Jerm]

Aren't we going off topic here? This thread isn't about Nintendo's future...

Smash's future is Nintendo's future... sort of.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Smash's future is Nintendo's future... sort of.

For now it is. I think it's kind of funny the Wii U is relying on SSB4 to bring it up.

 

[JV5Chris]

Honest question here, why should we be more forgiving of Smash's shortcomings than Nintendo's?

 

[FalKoopa]

Honest question here, why be more forgiving of Smash's shortcomings than Nintendo's?

Smash's perceived shortcomings are subjective, and depend on your tastes, while they are objective in case of Nintendo.

In other words, any decision Nintendo makes has only one outcome, either positive or negative. Can't say that for Smash.

 

[JV5Chris]

Smash's perceived shortcomings are subjective, and depend on your tastes, while they are objective in case of Nintendo.

In other words, any decision Nintendo makes has only one outcome, either positive or negative. Can't say that for Smash.

I just think someone could make a very similar case to fully support the company using the same type of fan logic (they're playing more to their base, they work hard, we have to support them). I wouldn't say every decision the company has made is strictly positive or negative either.

 

[FalKoopa]

Still, the is only one outcome, financially speaking. It's either a profit or a loss in the end.

 

[JV5Chris]

Still, the is only one outcome, financially speaking. It's either a profit or a loss in the end.

I'm not an investor in Nintendo. Their revenue matters far less to me as a consumer.

 

[Fuqua]

Did I say that? I said that his opinion will be ignored because hes posting to much of this >"****".

@ Jerm http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/0...-release-it-until-wii-u-owners-are-satisfied/
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/57845/nintendo-has-a-clear-idea-about-its-next-console/

I highly doubt Nintendo will stop making consoles becuase one failed. The gamecube didn't sell too well, yet they still made the Wii, which sold the most out of that generation. The other 2 consoles do not add anything but graphics, which will lead to their downfall imo. I still love my PS4 though =/

My post will be ignored because I'm swearing? My ****ing god ************ let this video educate you mister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

I love how people here are getting pissed that other posters are asking them to either support the game, or politely stop *****ing about a game that they have no power over changing. It's like they're angry that someone dared to ask them to be civil, instead of turning this into another hatefest like Brawl was, and still is.

 

[JV5Chris]

@ Ogre_Deity_Link

Please stop propping up this idea that people fall into one of two extremes. I know it's par for the course around here to argue over the opposing ends, but it's a really inaccurate representation. Most notable critiques of the game have been plenty civil.

 

[Brickbuild101]

Hello readers, victinivcreate1 here. Many of you posters know me as one of the main pessimistic posters in these boards.
Now lets put our differences aside, because there is something that casual/intermediate/hardcore 64, Melee, Brawl, Project M,and Smash Flash fans need to know.

Notice the changes that Sakurai has made to the game in attempt to cater to its hardcore audience, and how Nintendo is responding to competitive Smash.

1. 1080p graphics, 60 frames per second.
2. Gamecube controller adapter so Melee/Brawl players don't have to change.
3. Hitstun return, making combos existent, and comeback potential is possible.
4. Balance being focused on, and Sakurai now has Bandai Namco helping him out too.
5. The Invitiational tournament, inviting top players from Melee and Brawl like EG PPMD, Curse Hungrybox (says C9 Mango lolololol) and CT ZeRo, and getting the famed commentators D1, Progducto and MIOM Scar. It had 175,000 viewers. 175,000 freaking viewers. This beat out EVO 2013's SSBM viewer records of 137,000.
6. A good online system, one mode catered just to competitive Smashers.
7. Every stage has a competitive version of it, so we can also enjoy SSB4's soundtrack.
8. Nintendo SUPPORTING EVO 2014 for Super Smash Brothers. Melee. One year ago they tried to SHUT IT DOWN.

Now look what he's done for the casual audience!

1. More wacky, fun stages.
2. New characters from some of the Wii and DS's most popular series
3. More items that look fun to use too.
4. Vibrant,wild looking colors. Its a nice popping effect.
5. Online mode catered just to you guys.
6. New single player mode on 3DS!
7. 3DS Smash in GENERAL.
8. Awesome reveal trailers that generate hype.

Nintendo and Sakurai have worked hard to try and make this the best game they could. We have to support this game. Because in 6 years or so, Smash 5 will be coming. And many of the things they saw that worked in 4 will likely carry over to Smash 5. We, as the most devoted fans to this game must show our gratefulness and love for this game. We must get it into the big tournies like EVO, MLG, APEX, CEO, etc, and we MUST make sure that this game gets 400-500 entrants at these type of tournies on AVERAGE. Because if Nintendo sees this, they'll know they're doing something right. This must be the go to party game.

Now Smash 4 may not be the greatest competitive or casual game. But if we support it and show Nintendo at the same time how to correct its shortcomings, Smash 5 could be the greatest Smash game to date, and even potentially outlive Melee.

Think about it, if we supported Smash 4 enough, Smash 5 could have

• Every item in the previous Smash games PLUS more
• More stages, and all the old stages from before
• The return of loved competitive mechanics like dash dancing, wavedashing, DACUS, turn cancelling, moonwalking, B-Reversals, and added more mechanics that were just as meaningful as these, so you could literally have complete control over your character
• A 60-65 character roster featuring the new/old popular characters such asX pokemon, X Fire Emblem Character, etc, with tons of moveset variety, and alternate costumes as well. Each character could also have their own CSS animation,as a throwback for 64 fans.
• Stronger online modes, less lag, and a with options, and the ability to host tournies right online.

Now tell me this wouldn't unite the community. And the best part about this, is that this could actually happen. But thats only if we just put aside our differences when the game comes out and we supported the hell out of it.

I agree entirely. FOR THE CSS ANIMATIONZ!!

 

[PCHU]

I love how people here are getting pissed that other posters are asking them to either support the game, or politely stop *****ing about a game that they have no power over changing. It's like they're angry that someone dared to ask them to be civil, instead of turning this into another hatefest like Brawl was, and still is.

I've seen you in other threads and while you make valid points, you kinda give off this air that you're above everyone.
That being said, what are your thoughts about this topic (and not about the other posters here)?

I'll buy Smash 4 because it's looking to be a lot of fun.
I play Melee and Brawl competitively, but a lot of my friends lean more toward the casual side of things, so it doesn't really matter that much to me if the game plays a bit like Brawl.
Really, as long as I feel like I have decent control over my character and I don't feel like the majority of the cast is C-tier (underpowered/slow/ill-equipped in general), I'll enjoy it.
The only thing I didn't really enjoy about Brawl was the plethora of tedious matchups; a lot of them just weren't fun to me because they revolved around campy play.
I'm not outright rushdown, but I do like to be on the attack more than on defense.

 

[josh bones]

I love how people here are getting pissed that other posters are asking them to either support the game, or politely stop *****ing about a game that they have no power over changing. It's like they're angry that someone dared to ask them to be civil, instead of turning this into another hatefest like Brawl was, and still is.

If we don't do anything, they'll repeat it i, f we do something, they won't, simple as that.

 

[κomıc]

Even if the game doesn't wow or sway most of the competitive peeps, I'm still going to enjoy the game beyond that.

More music, characters, stages, modes, custom movesets, proposed stable online mode (from experience of using Nintendo Network) among other things, it is a healthy package.

 

[Senario]

Um, yeah. I have no intention of supporting Smash IV if it turns out to be bad. Sorry. And there is meaningful purpose in that. If you blindly support Nintendo's efforts to create poor content, they'll keep creating poor content. Unfortunately the only way I see the Smash series going in a competitively healthy direction is by us being stern with what we want, and not supporting/buying otherwise.

I have to agree. This smash game is the last straw for me in the series. I don't think that when smash 5 cones out ill be as interested. Ill be pretty old then and getting good at videogames will be a lot tougher. Or generally not something I probably will get far in.

 

[Morbi]

I love how people here are getting pissed that other posters are asking them to either support the game, or politely stop *****ing about a game that they have no power over changing. It's like they're angry that someone dared to ask them to be civil, instead of turning this into another hatefest like Brawl was, and still is.

To be fair, one can be civil whilst hating something. Discussion can revolve around constructive criticism.

I'm not an investor in Nintendo. Their revenue matters far less to me as a consumer.

Are you not technically invested in the series, at the very least. I mean, the only reason we even have Smash 4 is because of the critical (financial) success which directly correlates to revenue. I understand that their profit/loss ratio is negligible in most respects; however, I guarantee that in a hypothetical scenario, one of two things will happen: If the game is not successful (not well supported), Nintendo will hesitate to make another; if the game is very successful (well supported), Nintendo will jump at the opportunity to make another sequel. So in the most simple of ways, it is relevant to most consumers that enjoy what Nintendo has to offer, namely Smash.

 

[LeeYawshee]

I don't know, I really doubt this game will be as "bad" as Brawl, which was critically acclaimed during release and has aged well pretty decently. The game seems faster and generally nicer in a lot of aspects. Taking away the Subspace was one of the best decisions, and the game feels like a Nintendo game again (Hurray!).

Smash Brothers is a good series by design, even the flawed Brawl was a fantastic game with some horrible design choices that bring it down compared to Melee, but some other amazing yet overlooked choices that make it an incredible and fun game. I understand people want to wait until release, but I don't see this being worse than Brawl or Melee for that matter. This game will not be as fast as Melee, but I can see it taking what Melee has and improving upon it as well as improving upon Brawl, and SSB64. I see this being the ultimate sequel, it won't be Melee 2.0, Brawl 2.0, or 128.0 (c wut i did thar). I see it being the best of the previous games, but that's just what I think. As for buying it because it's Smash... Well. There's only one real way to find out if it's good or not, right?

 

[Roko Jono]

Personally, if the game does "suck" I think the idea would be to not support it. Nintendo is a business first you know and if you support it whether its bad or good they'll say "hey, everyone supported this game whatever we did it gave us money.", as opposed to saying... "hey, you know what, we effed up, not as many people supported this game, we need to do better next time." Saying that we MUST support it to me is like saying we MUST support mediocrity (if it is bad), and I cannot back that. However if the game is the least bit decent supporting it would be awesome and we definitely should.

But you know, what's great about Nintendo now is that there is a possibility for in-game updates and if the community was strong enough, just possibly, we can get game updates and "fixes" for anything that might not work if we gave feedback. Just look at Capcom and Street Fighter, the community helped fix the game (to an extent...)

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

I can't see this game being worse than brawl and brawl wasn't even that bad.

If the incredibly vocal minority that wants this to be Melee 2.0 isn't going to support it, so be it. I'll be buying the game, playing competitively,and having a good time.

The series isn't going "downhill" because the games aren't competitively oriented. It just means they aren't for you anymore.

And then finally, people who expect Melee level competitive play out of this are probably not going to change nintendo's minds by not supporting the game. All they would probably be doing is saving 60 bucks and not playing a video game.

 

[JV5Chris]

Are you not technically invested in the series, at the very least. I mean, the only reason we even have Smash 4 is because of the critical (financial) success which directly correlates to revenue.

My point was Nintendo's revenue numbers do not change my outlook on their products.

 

[ferioku]

My post will be ignored because I'm swearing? My ****ing god mother****er let this video educate you mister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8

Nah, the problem is the meaning in the words, which I can't be bothered to go through anyway.

 

[Luigi#1]

I have to agree. This smash game is the last straw for me in the series. I don't think that when smash 5 cones out ill be as interested. Ill be pretty old then and getting good at videogames will be a lot tougher. Or generally not something I probably will get far in.

My dad's 40 and he's pretty good at games.

 

[Starphoenix]

Appreciate the topic creator's enthusiasm, but I think this thread has lived out its purpose.