SmashCAP 1: Ability Discussion

[Terywj [태리]]

This isn't really gonna get all too much attention, due to the typing idea already having a listed ability, but here we go nonetheless.

SmashCAP 1:

Concept: Anti-Bulky Offense / Bulky Offense Counter, or BOC for short.

Typing: Water / Ground

Current stage: Ability discussion

Umbreon already proposed his idea of giving SmashCAP 1 Levitate in his typing proposal, and I'm sure many people took that into consideration when they voted on which typing to use. However this thread will determine the following:

1. Should SmashCAP 1 have a secondary ability? If so, state what and why you think it should belong on SmashCAP 1. Please remember our concept.

2. If you DISAGREE with SmashCAP 1's already proposed ability of Levitate, explain why you feel it should not receive said ability, and propose (with reasoning) what SmashCAP 1's ability should be.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Levitate
Unaware
Anticipation / Forewarn
Frisk
Arena Trap
Cloud Nine
Intimidate
Water Absorb
Clear Body
Rough Skin



I think having a second ability would be awesome.

Something like Bibarel's Unaware and Simple. Two useful abilities that do completely different things. We don't want something like Rhyperior's Lightning Rod and Solid Rock, where one is much, much better than the other.

So basically, I want a secondary ability that makes playing with SmashCAP 1 different from using Levitate.

 

[UltiMario]

IIRC, there aren't levitators with secondary abilities.

 

[Circa]

Bronzong does, and his secondary ability fits under the 'another useful ability' rule.

As for another ability, I have no clue. I kinda just like it having Levitate and that being it. What else would you give it that would actually be useful and still make sense anyway?

 

[kirbyraeg]

it could have Water Absorb, but I don't really think it makes sense as far as the role it's meant to play.

 

[CRASHiC]

Something like Bibarel's Unaware and Simple. Two useful abilities that do completely different things. We don't want something like Rhyperior's Lightning Rod and Solid Rock, where one is much, much better than the other.

Ya know what's funny, I cam here to suggest that we use one of Bibarel's abilities.
Does Unaware apply to choice items?
Also, since the purpose was to increase the viability of stall teams, Simple would do wonders when combined with purely defense boosting moves.

 

[Wave⁂]

Bronzong does, and his secondary ability fits under the 'another useful ability' rule.

Bronzong is a great example.

Simple is a possibility.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I feel Simple would be very tempting to put it on an offensive front.

Of course we could just strip it of any Attack-boosting moves.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Wait, Muk, not Simple, I meant Unaware.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

LOL. That Muk thing is always so funny.

I also think that Unaware is a good choice.
I think that Rough Skin, Intimidate, and Clear Body could also be used.

 

[Wave⁂]

Clear Body might make sense in terms of the Pokemon itself. I like Rough Skin, too.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wait, Muk, not Simple, I meant Unaware.

LOL. Okay. Unaware makes more sense.

Also, whatever vague idea we have for artwork could influence the (possible) secondary ability of SmashCAP 1.

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Yeah, that's sorta why I came up with so many options. We need to choose an ability that works well and looks cool. And it has to make sure that it makes sense that Levitate looks realistic.

 

[Deleted member]

levitate 1st, 2nd being either cloud nine or water absorb or, yes, intimidate.

water absorb and intimidate are more BO and offense oriented, cloud nine is more stall oriented. remember that we want a pokemon that is NOT dead weight against teams that happen to not be using bulky offense. this is what utility is all about.

 

[CRASHiC]

What would Cloud 9 do for stall except against Tyranitar and help Uber stall? Unaware stall out walls and sword dancers.

 

[Deleted member]

for cloud 9 I was leaning more towards hail stall. water/ground doesn't care about sand anyway, and this should already hard counter both tyranitar and hippowdon.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'll let this run for another day or so before asking Spire to make the poll. (Goodness I wish I was a mod)

And my personal opinion: Levitate / Unaware.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

While Unaware is a pretty cool abitiy idea, there are also some other strange things we can make useful.
Maybe we can take a glance at any of these abitilies?

Anticipation/Forewarn can expose Pokemon that can counter you based on set. With virtually any Pokemon, there are Pokemon that counter it ONLY if they have a specific set, like Metagross can beat Gliscor when it carries Ice Punch. The same could be said for anything carrying Energy Ball/HP Grass/GK, for example.
Frisk could work in a similar way, except with items, like a Scizor set, where you can't identify a set from Bullet Punch, but when you go with Frisk, you can see that CB, and know you're safe. Or see that LO, and get ready to be Bug Bitten or Superpowered right in the face.


I'm betting Unaware would win as the alternate ability, but these are things to consider.

 

[CT Chia]

Since were working with BOC here, how about Arena Trap? It hardly acts as a counter if they can switch away, especially to a grass type which could be quite destructive resisting a water move on switch and countering with a 4x strong grass move. This would help the Pokemon a lot, but comes at a big price - using it instead of levitate.

 

[Wave⁂]

Arena Trap has the potential to make BOC useful on BO. Though, it does make sense, being Water / Ground.

Anticipation / Forewarn are too situational. I like Frisk, though I fear people will always want the Ground immunity over some questionably useful information that you might have learned without Frisk.

Levitate

Unaware
Anticipation / Forewarn
Frisk
Arena Trap
Cloud Nine
Intimidate
Water Absorb
Clear Body
Rough Skin

List in the second post.

 

[UltiMario]

We need a poll where we can vote for Multiple things.
Its too hard to decide what I want to pick.

 

[Wave⁂]

We don't have those on SWF? Not that I would know.

We could always do the thing we did for the community team.

 

[CT Chia]

there are multi option polls on swf

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Chibo posted what I was going to say.
'Cuz I'm pretty sure I voted in a multi-option poll before. xD

I like the idea of Arena Trap though. The artwork would have to fit (as a heads up).

-Terywj

 

[Deleted member]

arena trap on something with levitate would be weird as ****. and also extremely overpowered given that (I'm guessing) we want base stats above the garbage level.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Wouldn't giving something Arena Trap with any semblance of offensive power turn it into a revenge killer?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's also true.

So far I'm sticking with Unaware...

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I'm between Levitate and Unaware, Intimidate, Water Absorb, or Clear Body.
I like a lot of the options, but those four seem to be the best choice to me.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Also, a short mini-poll before the real poll.

Do we want a multi-optional poll or only a straight-up tally poll?

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

The pick-your-favorite vote type is inherently flawed. I say pick 2 or 3 max, if possible.

 

[kirbyraeg]

3 max choices is a good idea.

 

[Wave⁂]

OH EM GEE

Water Absorb makes SmashCAP 1 a near perfect Bibarel counter.

 

[Metal~Mario]

OH EM GEE

Water Absorb makes SmashCAP 1 a near perfect Bibarel counter.

There is already a Bibarel counter-Shedinja

Spoiler

unless he knows Pluck

Water/Ground w/Water Absorb sounds like Quagsire to me.

I like Intimidate, personally.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm going to ask that discussions be closed at 6:00 PM Eastern time. Afterwards I'll PM Spire with the poll options, requesting a multi-optional poll be made, with 3 maximum choices per voter.

-Terywj

 

[CT Chia]

nooooooo one more post!

i agree with metal mario in that water absorb seems too much like quagire, not to mention that its def not as good as levitiate, it would never be used

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Okay. Here are the options I'm PMing Spire with:

Unaware
Anticipation / Forewarn
Frisk
Arena Trap
Cloud Nine
Intimidate
Water Absorb
Clear Body
Rough Skin
No secondary ability

-Terywj

 

[CT Chia]

Is all you need is a poll made? I could have it done for you.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Agh, I already PMed Spire. Sorry, Chibo.

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

since I may not get to vote in the next few days, put this down as my vote:

1. unaware
2. cloud 9
3. rough skin

see you guys in a few days!

 

[Wave⁂]

I want Rough Skin purely for the awesome factor.