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Nope. Cloud's got nerfed for some reason, it has 3 frames more endlag (it already had 35 frames of endlag so I'm not sure why). In Pit's case, it's probably more a QoL change than anything, to make the move feel better.
Cloud nerfs are about as predictable as it gets; this nerf makes sense as Cloud is disproportionately a problem at lower level play. (While still being a top ~3 character at top-level)
Nothing I can confirm for F-smashes specifically. Kirby's seems to go a bit farther, which should help it cross up. Range in general and killing opponents outright are two of Kirby's core weaknesses so I could see it getting more use along with Usmash that comes out two frames faster. All of Pac Man's smashes got a startup reduction of 2-3. Sheik's second hit of Fsmash comes out 6 frames faster, and the total duration is 6 frames faster to correlate. Cloud's appears to have an endlag increase of 3 frames as far as I've seen. Otherwise fsmashes have looked very normal. I hope smashes become more relevant, but now that you can do them in either direction from a run they're probably very iffy on tweaking ground options to the same level that they've reduced aerial landing lag. Personally I'd take a wait and see approach as well.
They neglected to mention which jab they tested. But in general all or nearly all of the multijabs have been changed in Ultimate to strike faster at lower damage. Usually two frames between hits which would indeed make it a true block string since the minimum shieldstun per hit was always 2 in Smash 4. This should also result in multijabs being harder to escape with just basic DI, yet easier to escape with SDI if that ever gets implemented. A lot of multihit moves have seen similar adjustments to hit timing as well. But we have confirmed that there is no restriction on perfect shielding the final hit of a multihit move. I've got my fingers crossed that this is an oversight they will fix in the final build, since I don't want multihit attacks that aren't perfect block strings to be total liabilities in competitive play due to their weakness to being perfect shielded with practicable timings.
2 frames between hits actually wouldn't be a true blockstring, you can drop shield the same frame the next hit comes out. It would have to be every other frame to be true. A lot of them were reduced to every other frame, but that's not what you said and I'm pedantic. Also the game using Smash 4 shieldstun doesn't line up with the other numbers, and we've seen at least one move (Ike's Nair in that one clip) cause less than 2 frames of shieldstun.
Right, "hits every two frames" is how I should have worded it, my mistake. While I'm convinced shieldstun is overall less than in Smash 4, that Ike N-air example I found earlier supports my other theory that shieldstun simply doesn't work in that demo build and you can jump out of it. We also saw a jump out of the shield drop frames as well. What a mess. I'm willing to believe Smash 4's two frame minimum rule will still be in effect until I see more concrete and varied evidence that doesn't involve that buggy shield jump.
First of all, none of the Treehouse members used it, to my knowledge. Second, no one was using it intentionally or consistently. Third, being able to jump out of shieldstun would likely make shielding a stronger option than it's ever been before, especially with the reduced pushback, and somehow I doubt that was their goal.
The Zelda up against Ike was Treehouse staff, right? They weren’t using it consistently, no, but Treehouse employees have proven themselves to not be the most coordinated players out there. In a game where pressure would be higher than ever before, making shields that much better would make sense coming from the mind that thought Brawl hitstun canceling was a good idea.
That was ZeRo and Leffen.
First of all, shield pressure won't be as strong as it was in Melee. Second of all, if the goal was to make shields stronger, he wouldn't do it in a weird, archaic way that's hard for the average player to even understand and actively undermined the concept of shieldstun. He'd just lower shieldstun or remove it from the game entirely. We know this because that's exactly what he did with Brawl.
That makes no sense but ok
As a programmer, I can think of a huge number of ways this could've accidentally happened. It's very possible.
Afaik only one roll in the entire game has had its unstaled frame data buffed, and it's Samus' forward roll.
So ignoring that your view of Sakurai's views on fighting games is outdated, why wouldn't he just remove shieldstun? It's a much simpler solution.
As far as I know, nobody outside this thread is aware of the shield jump. Not even the several Smash 4 veterans that got several hours with the game. So I wouldn't call it "noticeable". It wouldn't be immediately obvious to somebody because they'd probably chalk up their faster responsiveness after blocking to the shorter jumpsquat and lower shieldstun. It's not a complete answer, but it's a plausible answer that nobody would take issue with.
There would be more shieldstun than Melee, though our current numbers indicate that shieldstun is lower than Smash 4, but the landing lag is about the same. Additionally, the shorter shield drop time, lower pushback, and floatier physics will make pressure weaker overall.
It depends a lot on how exactly the game's shield mechanics are programmed, which isn't information I'm privy to, but my guess is that they intended to make you able to jump cancel after a successful parry and accidentally made it so you can always jump cancel shields due to an oversight.
Spot dodges sure, but where are you getting that neutral airdodges are stronger? I know they have less landing lag, but besides that I can't find a single source for their FAF, and they're now limited to once per jump unless you get hit, which is a hard nerf.
L- and Z-cancelling were meant to be advanced techniques that rewarded accurate inputs and higher technical skill. Sakurai stopped including mechanics like them from Brawl onwards because he believes they cause to much of a gap between player skill levels.
Because casual players are likely to try to mash while recovering anyway.
Basically the same as above.
I have no clue. I don't even know what you're talking about.
I’ve seen a certain Debby downer repeat this information on a couple of Smash related places, and occasionally I’ll see other people say things like “too bad it doesn’t matter because nothing will be safe” and the like. It’s getting around.
Hm, regardless, it’s something I could see Sakurai thinking is a problem at the beginning of development anyway.
Why would they count frames? They're making the game. Frame counting has potential for human error, they could just do the math.
You realize that for this to be noticed, someone would have to
First of all, could've and would've.
Again, this is where that whole "I don't know how the game was programmed" thing comes into play. I can think of ways this could happen, but I don't know how the game handles animations or parrying. All I know is that Fox's shine is jump-cancellable starting on the first frame where it reflects projectiles in Melee, and Fox's shine is jump-cancellable after it reflects a projectile in Smash 4.
It's not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be intuitive. It rewards you for doing the thing you were going to do anyway. How much it rewards you is irrelevant, so long as it's noticable.
Yeah I haven't finished parsing through much of the new footage yet and knew I'd have to keep an eye on his neutral B.
