Smash/For Glory hell question

[Roy of Pharae]

I'm in Banland. if you take more than a few minutes to connect to another player or you face the same player over and over again then you could be banned. Same thing happens when trying to join online tournaments.

 

[pollo20x6]

I'm in Banland. if you take more than a few minutes to connect to another player or you face the same player over and over again then you could be banned. Same thing happens when trying to join online tournaments.

With online tournaments, you straight up can't join.

 

[1FC0]

I am in Banland again simply for playing too good. That is what I get for owning about 90% of FG with ease.

FG reminds me of the beginners hill from Corewars. Since the beginners hill was meant for beginners they tried to keep the skill level low by kcking participants that won too often from the hill. FG is like that in a way since if you win too often in FG then you may get banned for it as well due to the reports of the salty losers that you owned. At least with Corewars you got the main hill where you could have fun after being kicked from the beginners hill, while in FG there is no good substitution for the people that are too good for FG since it takes so long to find an opponent in Banland.

Maybe this is why FG people tend to be so bad, the good ones get banned as revenge for being too good.

 

[Pommgreen]

There is hardly such a thing as "good players" in FG as in reality nearly everyone who plays that mode is actually a "bad player" and by that I mean they don't possess a genuine understanding of the game as well as not a having healthy mindset to competition Almost everyone takes the idea of losing a fight far too seriously and the only way they really know how to turn things around is to resort to connection manipulation and intimidating behavior in order to guarantee a win and rub their indignity in your face. I have been to FG Hell many times and I say with great confidence that 99% of the people that are found there, DESERVE to be there. So chances are most if not all you guys online who complain about being there fit the bill for the type of person who should belong there. It's extremely rare for me to see people who I strongly feel were wrongfully sent there and for those I actually felt sorry for as they were as much of a victim as I was to this flawed punishment system.

 

[1FC0]

There is hardly such a thing as "good players" in FG as in reality nearly everyone who plays that mode is actually a "bad player" and by that I mean they don't possess a genuine understanding of the game as well as not a having healthy mindset to competition Almost everyone takes the idea of losing a fight far too seriously and the only way they really know how to turn things around is to resort to connection manipulation and intimidating behavior in order to guarantee a win and rub their indignity in your face. I have been to FG Hell many times and I say with great confidence that 99% of the people that are found there, DESERVE to be there. So chances are most if not all you guys online who complain about being there fit the bill for the type of person who should belong there. It's extremely rare for me to see people who I strongly feel were wrongfully sent there and for those I actually felt sorry for as they were as much of a victim as I was to this flawed punishment system.

My experience is quite different. Most people I seem to find in Banland are people that are good compared to average FG players and do not seem to mess with the connection. There are a lot of campers and spammers there but those too normally have more skill than the average FG player. I think that most people in Banland are there because they played too good and camped, spammed, or maybe taunted.

I am a regular to Banland, so I know. And since I prefer to lose in a good connection to winning in lag I never lag the game on purpose and normally I have a very good connection. I also do not have an offensive profile. The most likely reason that I keep getting banned is playing relatively good, camping, and taunting, three things that I often combine in a match. The first two are legit strategies and the last one is an innocent feature of the game which only sip****s woud get angry over. I really should not be banned and I think this goes for most people in Banland.

 

[Arrei]

I wonder if the taunting is the main thing, actually. With an 80% winrate, I've yet to find myself in banland. My playstyle is generally respectable, but with a penchant for going for silly kills, primarily suicide attacks, and an eye for an eye mindset of giving back any disrespect given to me. Taunts are reserved for greetings, congratulating good plays, and general goofing around. However, one match I played was my low level Bayonetta vs. a low level Lucas, who I was destroying with fairly little effort. So, him being Lucas, I thought I'd be cheeky and give him the "Ask your mum" taunt late in the game.

I don't think he got the joke, because the salt that innocent little jab generated was absurd. He switched to what was presumably his main, who still wasn't good but was a good match for my poorly played Bayonetta, and he just took every opportunity he could to taunt at me after launching me. It amused me more than anything else, as FG disrespect is wont to do for me, but wow. That much salt from a little taunt.

 

[pollo20x6]

I have been to FG Hell many times and I say with great confidence that 99% of the people that are found there, DESERVE to be there. So chances are most if not all you guys online who complain about being there fit the bill for the type of person who should belong there. It's extremely rare for me to see people who I strongly feel were wrongfully sent there and for those I actually felt sorry for as they were as much of a victim as I was to this flawed punishment system.

I don't fit the bill

 

[fehector]

Thats a lie, all player i met have manners and i see even less taunts then from the avarage joe in for glory heaven. lets say someone is an as.s, but very good at playing. even if he strike out his bad behaviors over the time, he would still get banned by others who are not able to eat a lose. Thats a fact. i just need 1 day and less then 50 games and i am back there for good.

Taunting is an game element. U can use it as u want. Same goes for every other move u execute with ur char to taunt your enemy. if we start like this, then every single hit is offensive and a reputational damage. and u should be banned for it. as long as u play your tactic, with the objective to win a game, there is nothing wrong. to me there are only three reasons to make a report. if someone is using bad names, if someone is using cheats or if someone is laming and doesnt aprouach and attack in any way. even then u can just block him. i play this game since the very beginning and didnt use both even once. and i wouldnt myself call hardboilled. far from that. but i can manage it. so should everyone else, or leave this game for gods sake.

 

[fehector]

and it kills me that he left this game without fixing it. now we have this for all eternety. Noobmania.

 

[Endurrr]

So thats what my problem has been. I had no idea that this kind of softban happened. I played and beat this person on for glory and he started spamming the tags "reported" and" prepare for ban" and I had no idea that he could actually do this ****. I'm 2 days into FG hell and I keep running into scrubs who crouch spam and taunt spam.

 

[xenocryst]

Wheee! I'm back in Banland! Here's the deal. I didn't change my play style, but I DID resume switching my tag to GGs after a good set of games and ONLY right before leaving that player, so in theory, they shouldn't have an opportunity to report me after the tag change. I don't know if it was that change in behavior that sent me back or it was just the right number of reports. :-/

I called up Nintendo and the person I talked to filed a complaint. Please call into Nintendo and do the same EVERY TIME you think you're in Banland unfairly! Be sure to mention it's an in-game reporting system (not banning per say)... The person I talked to took a while to get up to speed.

 

[fehector]

So thats what my problem has been. I had no idea that this kind of softban happened. I played and beat this person on for glory and he started spamming the tags "reported" and" prepare for ban" and I had no idea that he could actually do this ****. I'm 2 days into FG hell and I keep running into scrubs who crouch spam and taunt spam.

Reading this makes me angry, as if i was on your place. Besides, u payed allot of money to be able to play. But can you? No. How is this okay? He didnt do this alone btw, he had some backup of other players who reported you without elling you so.

Worst thing is: Soon every oversensitive guy will know about this lopehole, wherether he is good, bad, new or a mother of 10 kids who doesnt even read in forums.

 

[Boney]

So, I was joking around in my discord smash bros group about being in for glory hell because I couldn't find anybody to play for very long times and you only got matched with the same people over and over. Somebody googled it and behold, for glory hell is an actual name others came up with for the same thing.

I've been here for over a month or so, I'm a pretty good player, but alas, I'm a Samus main so that's bound to get people salty when they lose, especially bad players. I don't taunt or do any bad behaviors although reading the thread I do use the tag chat system to say GG or Nice or whatever. Worst I'll say is stay salty when someone is being incredibly obnoxious or saying childish things and leave. I also sd when there's terrible lag and sometimes I might get disconnected for idling when something urgent comes up and i can't keep playing the match.

Getting all the symptoms, long waits, not being able to join tourneys, facing the same guys over and over which are either really good as well or childish and salty on the chat.
It's a horrible system and I can't believe Sakurai and Namco would implement such a system and that Nintendo are unable to do anything about it. It's outrageous really.

 

[1FC0]

Wheee! I'm back in Banland! Here's the deal. I didn't change my play style, but I DID resume switching my tag to GGs after a good set of games and ONLY right before leaving that player, so in theory, they shouldn't have an opportunity to report me after the tag change. I don't know if it was that change in behavior that sent me back or it was just the right number of reports. :-/

I called up Nintendo and the person I talked to filed a complaint. Please call into Nintendo and do the same EVERY TIME you think you're in Banland unfairly! Be sure to mention it's an in-game reporting system (not banning per say)... The person I talked to took a while to get up to speed.

I doubt it has much to do with tag switching. I only posses the 3DS version where tag switching while online is impossible and I am a regular to Banland. I often do not stay out of Banland for long.

The only reasons that I can think of that cause me to return to Banland after only a few days of playing outside of Banland are playing a campy R.O.B., taunting (or doing equivalent things like teabagging), and beating many of my opponents with great ease. Next time I get out I will try not taunting, and will try to see if I can get banned solely for being very good (in FG 1v1 standards that is) and playing campy. If I can then people punish me for being too good or for not sandbagging them, which are both very scrubby things to do.

I hope that the report function gets removed in the next Smash or that false reports get punished with a ban for the reporter or something like that because right now it seems FG 1v1 reduces to the lower denominators since all good people seem to get banned to Banland as revenge for being awesome (For FG 1v1 standards) in this game.

 

[pollo20x6]

So, I was joking around in my discord smash bros group about being in for glory hell because I couldn't find anybody to play for very long times and you only got matched with the same people over and over. Somebody googled it and behold, for glory hell is an actual name others came up with for the same thing.

I've been here for over a month or so, I'm a pretty good player, but alas, I'm a Samus main so that's bound to get people salty when they lose, especially bad players. I don't taunt or do any bad behaviors although reading the thread I do use the tag chat system to say GG or Nice or whatever. Worst I'll say is stay salty when someone is being incredibly obnoxious or saying childish things and leave. I also sd when there's terrible lag and sometimes I might get disconnected for idling when something urgent comes up and i can't keep playing the match.

Getting all the symptoms, long waits, not being able to join tourneys, facing the same guys over and over which are either really good as well or childish and salty on the chat.
It's a horrible system and I can't believe Sakurai and Namco would implement such a system and that Nintendo are unable to do anything about it. It's outrageous really.

I've become numb to it. I was sure they'd patch it or at least make it publically known.

No. No they haven't. They're literally that stupid. It's hilarious. It really really is. I'm not mad anymore. I get the joke now.

 

[Arrei]

Actually, wait, can you tell when someone's reported you? Is it when you get back to character select without saving replays or anything and they're somehow already gone?

 

[Ryuki of Spiral Rhapsody]

I feel as if some of this could be avoided if there was reputation and connection quality icons attached to someone's profile.

This is assuming Nintendo literally cannot fix For Glory Hell's system.... which... would be rather silly.

 

[pollo20x6]

Actually, wait, can you tell when someone's reported you? Is it when you get back to character select without saving replays or anything and they're somehow already gone?

Could be a sign, but isn't always a perfect sign.

A better sign is when their icon says "Viewing Results" and immediately drops.
I've had this happen to me twice and immediately after I'm banned.

My guess is that they reported me and blocked me.

 

[Arrei]

Hmm, the mystery thickens. I've certainly encountered my fair share of that occurring, but never found myself in ban hell, knock on wood.

 

[KetchupKaffei]

You guys are still getting banned?
Yeeesh.
You guys should do what I do.

 

[Honron]

I actually finally decided to join smash boards just because of this issue. I just entered banland for the first time, and I honestly didn't even know that you could report people to lead to this result. I just beat this player a few times in 2v2 who I think reported me. I suspect them because they kept changing their nametag to call me the N word over and over (I am black as is my mii but such is the internet) and this is not my first run in with this player. I do play as pac-man trying to get better at being trixie with his projectiles and I know that can be annoying, but I know from experience that good players can deal with me no problem. I just wish I could report the player who actually deserved it because even though I wouldn't say I'm tourney level good by any means, I love playing smash and want to get better yet I'm stuck not being able to play online for a week. Thanks for posting the number because I will at least call Nintendo so hopefully they fix the flawed punishment system soon.

 

[pollo20x6]

Hmm, the mystery thickens. I've certainly encountered my fair share of that occurring, but never found myself in ban hell, knock on wood.

Cuz I think it has to accumulate. Cuz it would happen to me, but no ban.

However, every time I have been banned, it was after a moment like that, where it goes straight from Viewing Results to gone.
But yeah, I think it's based on accumulated reports over a set period of time.

Thanks for posting the number because I will at least call Nintendo so hopefully they fix the flawed punishment system soon.

Yes, please do so. The more people call, the better.

Just be prepared for a discouraging call.
In the 4 times I've had to deal with and Nintendo, only 1 person knew what I was talking about. And this was between July 2015 and February 2016, more than enough time to find out about the bans.
They sound just as clueless as they did almost a year ago.

Then they're like "we can't do anything, but we take your feedback seriously". So seriously that all our complaints seem to be forgotten. By now, you'd think they'd have a special file for these calls, but apparently it may just be that there aren't enough people calling. They just accept being banned and play something else.
>_<

 

[Arrei]

I'm not sure the thing I mentioned is a report, after all. Might just be a disconnect ragequit. Because I recently reported a sour sport who tried to insult me via his tag when he kept losing yet kept playing, and he was still around when I returned to the character select screen, still trying to throw his feeble insults.

 

[Charu]

I actually finally decided to join smash boards just because of this issue. I just entered banland for the first time, and I honestly didn't even know that you could report people to lead to this result. I just beat this player a few times in 2v2 who I think reported me. I suspect them because they kept changing their nametag to call me the N word over and over (I am black as is my mii but such is the internet) and this is not my first run in with this player. I do play as pac-man trying to get better at being trixie with his projectiles and I know that can be annoying, but I know from experience that good players can deal with me no problem. I just wish I could report the player who actually deserved it because even though I wouldn't say I'm tourney level good by any means, I love playing smash and want to get better yet I'm stuck not being able to play online for a week. Thanks for posting the number because I will at least call Nintendo so hopefully they fix the flawed punishment system soon.

I feel you, I posted in that other FG Hell thread, but I got placed back in the good ol' Smash Hell and my main mode 2v2's. Though from the last time it happened, I'm surprised it took a whopping 6 months to have me back in there.

Could very well be due that I really and truly only do 2v2's, heheh.

Any who, if this is your first time, a bit of advice then. Don't try to do 1v1's in FG Hell. They're very cancerous and the trade off of facing actual good players is not worth it imo. I recommend playing against Twitch streamers or something if you want something slightly laid back but not too serious.

There's also Anthers I guess, they got 2v2's, but with tournament rules of course. I might just do that to past the time and, hell, maybe even stay on it if I like it enough.

 

[1FC0]

Any who, if this is your first time, a bit of advice then. Don't try to do 1v1's in FG Hell. They're very cancerous and the trade off of facing actual good players is not worth it imo.

What is cancerous about Banland players? I think that often most of them are better than the normal FG players. They are often spammy or campy as well so maybe you mean that but personally I like playing Banland people. The only reason that I hate being in Banland is because it normally takes so long to find someone and because many people run as soon as they see my name after I have owned them once.

 

[Charu]

Has it really been four days?

Any who, I'm still in it and have actually just been leaving my console on in 2v2's with the music off. It's interesting to see the amount of people that I get. It's very... far in between, but I've noticed that the people who come in my random 2v2 room in FG Hell have names that are... questionable?

Of course, I put my name at "UrInFGHell", but eh... I feel like from the players I've seen pop in the room when I'm doing other things all have names that I guess could be considered offensive.

There's this one person I keep seeing though, poor person. Probably just wants to do 2v2's like me but can't.

...I'm mainly doing this to see if people would actually make a full 2v2 room in this purgatory crud. So far after leaving my console on for 24 hours, it has not happened, lol.

 

[pollo20x6]

I should get unbanned tonight or tomorrow. It's that stressful period where, if the ban isn't lifted, one can only wonder how much longer it will take. Nintendo sucks.

I'm surprised For Glory Hell hasn't gotten attention from the main stream gaming media.
You'd think by now some website like Polygon would have written a story on it, but no. The problem remains mostly on the underground.

So I say we should bring the story to them.
I've compiled a list of some gaming news websites Contact page. Tell them about For Glory Hell and briefly explain what it is. If possible, include links to other websites, such as GameFAQS, where people have talked about For Glory Hell in great detail. I'll include resource links below.

Hopefully then, they could raise even more awareness and Nintendo will hopefully change something. Because even to this day, if you call a Nintendo representative, they sound clueless and clearly have no idea what you're talking. Makes some noise.

Gaming News Contact pages
http://www.polygon.com/pages/contact

http://www.destructoid.com/contact_us.phtml

http://www.ign.com/support/editorial?category=feedback

Sources

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1198200

http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-for-glory-hell-question.415260/

https://youtu.be/6TzHYCtEwQA

https://m.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3e97ao/is_for_glory_hell_seriously_this_poorly_designed/

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/72199236

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/72355868

 

[Charu]

Welp, I just got out of the place after a week, so that was cool.

I even played some of the residence in the place. Maybe it's because I lost most of the time I didn't get reported within the place? Meh, who knows, I'm out now and can hopefully do another 6 months of 2v2's in peace.

 

[Pixel_]

Just in case you guys need it (I haven't seen it posted yet), here's the reasons someone's able to legitimately report another player:

http://smashbros.com/us/howto/gamemode1.html
"When playing online, your nickname will appear. Players engaging in inappropriate behavior can be reported in the same way they can be reported in Miiverse.

Additionally, any of the behavior listed below may result in a temporary ban in online play.

• Not actively playing
• Targeting a single player
• Repeated self-destructs
• Dropping matches
• Modding or other cheating
• Inappropriate messaging"

If you call Nintendo, make sure you mention that you haven't done any of these. From what's been posted here, I haven't actually been in banland, but I hope it gets fixed soon.

 

[pollo20x6]

Just in case you guys need it (I haven't seen it posted yet), here's the reasons someone's able to legitimately report another player:

http://smashbros.com/us/howto/gamemode1.html
"When playing online, your nickname will appear. Players engaging in inappropriate behavior can be reported in the same way they can be reported in Miiverse.

Additionally, any of the behavior listed below may result in a temporary ban in online play.

• Not actively playing
• Targeting a single player
• Repeated self-destructs
• Dropping matches
• Modding or other cheating
• Inappropriate messaging"

If you call Nintendo, make sure you mention that you haven't done any of these. From what's been posted here, I haven't actually been in banland, but I hope it gets fixed soon.

I can only speak for myself, but when I call, I tell them "No, I didn't do any of the above".
And in classical incompetent Nintendo fashion, the rep's like "uhhhh...just don't do those things and you won't be banned" even though I clearly told them I was currently banned for no reason.

And the other problem is that those offenses you listed, the game tells you when you break these rules. If you drop a match, the game will tell you that you broke that rule and will give you a countdown timer, usually ten minutes. If you target one player, the game will tell you you are banned for doing so and, again, give you a countdown timer.

If you are reported and you broke those rules, the game should tell you as it normally does. And it does not, therefore it's clear that even the game doesn't know what you did wrong.

And finally, I can say from personal experience, three of my bans were guaranteed not a result of inappropriate nicknames cuz after my first ban, I don't touch my tag.

 

[TheDuke54]

I just registered today, to say I got that purgatory ban for the first time. It's actually been a few days. I knew something was up, because I couldn't find anyone. I had a sneaking suspicion I was banned. Personally, this is a really stupid business move. At the very least, notify people that they are banned so they don't stare at the match up screen confusedly.

I can't believe Nintendo would do something so unprofessional.

I've never been a fan of 1vs1, I always loved 2vs2 and that's where I've been most of the time. I have no idea why I was reported and or banned. I have a feeling it was one team for fun game, where we were staged in SkyWorld. The other team had a DK player who just spammed their down B attack and won because of the terrible placement of the tiles.

I don't know why they would report though...I actually don't know. I never insult and or taunt. I hear some people get reported for being too good, but I don't fit in that category. This 'unjust' ban normally lasts a week or so? I don't want to have to wait a month to play this game online again.

Actually are the friend match ups affected by this? If not, I might introduce myself in the right spot!

 

[pollo20x6]

This 'unjust' ban normally lasts a week or so? I don't want to have to wait a month to play this game online again.

Yes. It is recommended that you don't play during that week as being reported while banned will increase the duration of the ban.

Actually are the friend match ups affected by this? If not, I might introduce myself in the right spot!

They are not. You can play with friends just the same as when you are not banned.



Don't forget to call Nintendo and to send gaming news websites your experience on For Glory Hell.
With enough press, we could force Nintendo to at least publically acknowledge this terrible ban system.

 

[TheDuke54]

I just recently learned of this feature. From reading many topics, it's clear that you all have been trying to get this known for almost two years. I'll post my experience at those gaming sites, just to add to the voice. Even if it is futile. I don't really dabble in the whole social media side of the net. Are there any particular sites that you would recommend or that are well known for this sort of publicity?

Also, I'll give Nintendo a message to. When I can find the time. It's kind of hard to do when you have four jobs. It's not one of those things you want to hassle with when you have down time.


On another note, you guys say not to use the gamer tags at all to avoid being reported. What happens if the person you're playing with posts something like GG or GoodGame? Do you then respond the same or do you ignore it? I feel like not replying to that would PO someone and then they'd report you for being 'conceited'

It's one of those situations where you can't win...damned if you do damned if you don't. If I get banned again after coming back (however long it may be) I might just quit the whole online thing. Or at least random online. Wish I didn't recently purchase the dlc bundle. Money Nintendo doesn't deserve right now lol.

 

[Pixel_]

On another note, you guys say not to use the gamer tags at all to avoid being reported. What happens if the person you're playing with posts something like GG or GoodGame? Do you then respond the same or do you ignore it? I feel like not replying to that would PO someone and then they'd report you for being 'conceited'

I just start the game before they can say anything. Then there's a huge READY (if that's what it says) on your tag and the other person knows you can't respond.

 

[pollo20x6]

I just recently learned of this feature. From reading many topics, it's clear that you all have been trying to get this known for almost two years. I'll post my experience at those gaming sites, just to add to the voice. Even if it is futile. I don't really dabble in the whole social media side of the net. Are there any particular sites that you would recommend or that are well known for this sort of publicity?

Gaming News Contact pages
http://www.polygon.com/pages/contact

http://www.destructoid.com/contact_us.phtml

http://www.ign.com/support/editorial?category=feedback

Sources

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1198200

http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-for-glory-hell-question.415260/

https://youtu.be/6TzHYCtEwQA

https://m.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3e97ao/is_for_glory_hell_seriously_this_poorly_designed/

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/72199236

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/72355868

On another note, you guys say not to use the gamer tags at all to avoid being reported. What happens if the person you're playing with posts something like GG or GoodGame? Do you then respond the same or do you ignore it? I feel like not replying to that would PO someone and then they'd report you for being 'conceited'

It's one of those situations where you can't win...damned if you do damned if you don't. If I get banned again after coming back (however long it may be) I might just quit the whole online thing. Or at least random online. Wish I didn't recently purchase the dlc bundle. Money Nintendo doesn't deserve right now lol.

I don't respond anymore. I've begun to develop the sneaking suspicion that Nintendo DOES review reports, but in a terrible way. For example, if a match is lagging hard, you SD, and they report you, I'm beginning to think Nintendo does review it at a later date, but they don't see the lag.
Same with tag changes. They don't bother to read what your tag was, they just see that you changed your tag.
It's a weak idea, but one that floats within my paranoid mind. So I take zero chances. I change my name tag once and I never touch it again. No matter what.

 

[dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523]

All of the topics I've seen on FG Hell are pretty old.
Because of that, I was wondering if it was still possible to get in. It's crazy that it's April 2016 and people are still making it in there.
As I continued reading posts here, I saw the dates continue bumping up, until last Sunday, and even up until yesterday.
It's pretty cool that it has so much history, and it's interesting to look into, even if it's one of the worst systems I've seen in my life and not justifiable by any means.
Not only does it have a history, but it even has active discussion here, stemming back quite a while.
I've seen some pretty bad systems in my life, some from doing restaurant work, website design, and housekeeping. This is on a pretty high level of bad, definitely in the upper tiers.

I forgot how I stumbled into FG Hell topics out of curiosity earlier, but I've been reading a lot the last few hours.
I'm even fully caught up on this thread.

I've never had anything like this, or any limited servers, even after several thousand 3DS matches and several thousand Wii U matches, from release day to yesterday.

I mostly reside in 1v1, so I might have been in FG Hell at least once while being completely oblivious to it.
I block all laggy, cocky, or toxic users I run into, then I ditch right away. My only reports involve reporting tag changes that are toxic and rude, and I never change tags for any reason. I never taunt, I never crouch spam, and I don't think people would consider a sword-only character with pitiful range capable of spamming against them in most matches I play on FG.
The most I do is practice extended dash dancing/dance trotting and perfect pivoting as well as general movement between stocks, so that I'm better at them in the long run.

I've even ran into internet personalities, such as shofu (shodak black) and Alpharad in my time on FG.

Sometimes, I'll get one of my online buddies into a call, and we'll keep going in Free For All FG lobbies until we find each other, then we'll form a team and just mess around. It's a blast, I wonder how many reports I've racked up from it.

Stuff like this really satisfies my curiosity, I'm so glad I found this thread.

 

[Charu]

If you primarily do 1v1's, I still think it's noticeable. The matches take longer to find and you usually face the same pocket of people that are seemingly stuck in the place with you.

When I got back in there two weeks ago, I've noticed that there were significantly more players in FG Hell when I'm just kind of seeing who's stuck in the shadow realm.

But for someone like me, who usually only does 2v2's for some good ol' gosh dildery fun, it's very disheartening to know that I can be plucked away from a mode I love dearly just because someone got super pissed at how I played a match.

 

[pollo20x6]

When I got back in there two weeks ago, I've noticed that there were significantly more players in FG Hell when I'm just kind of seeing who's stuck in the shadow realm..

I've noticed the same thing. My latest ban, I couldn't tell if I was banned. Cuz my first ban, it was like the same 3 people. Now, it was 10. The cue times were still long and annoying and 10 people is still small compared to the rest of the world. But for a second, I thought I was unbanned. Nope. The pop. for Smash Hell just keeps getting bigger. Good job, Nintendo.

 

[dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523]

If you primarily do 1v1's, I still think it's noticeable. The matches take longer to find and you usually face the same pocket of people that are seemingly stuck in the place with you.

When I got back in there two weeks ago, I've noticed that there were significantly more players in FG Hell when I'm just kind of seeing who's stuck in the shadow realm.

But for someone like me, who usually only does 2v2's for some good ol' gosh dildery fun, it's very disheartening to know that I can be plucked away from a mode I love dearly just because someone got super pissed at how I played a match.

By the way, do you remember two players, one with the tag WOOF WOOF, and one with the tag BARK BARK? One named Mason, one named Adan.

We swear we've seen you on FFA. I was in a call with a buddy and we kept going into FFA lobbies to goof around together. One match was a taunt party where my buddy and I were playing Roy and jabbing at each other, while possibly you were Lucario or Duck Hunt.

I just saw the "O Hi Doggy" tag when watching your archive of FG Hell, and that Mii seemed somewhat familiar. I told my buddy about it, and he remembers those matches.

 

[dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523]

I saw a Wii Fit linger at the results screen after our match went down to 0:30 (I think she was trying to time me out for sudden death), and immediately after, I got paired up with a laggy Fox who fished too hard for kills and spotdodged like their life depended on it, which is pretty much Roy's cue to throw out an fsmash and take both stocks. They never learned. I left, went back in, fought another Fox with the same palette, and turns out it was.... him again. Yaaaaay. So I play another match of that.

Immediately after, I fought another laggy Fox who also fished really hard for kill moves.

I thought I was in FG Hell, but nope. Tournament mode works. Those Foxes made me wish I was in FG Hell. Running into someone named Mega Cuhnt (their Mii) outside of FG Hell is kind of surprising, too.

I really can't tell if I'm in. I've had recurring players pop up, and one white Marth who threw out moves and rolls is someone I just fought again. There's a diversity of people, but this amount of running into the same people and running into laggy players has never happened. I run into a few recurring people every day, and I haven't bumped into the same person twice in half a year or more.