Smash 4 (Skill Gap)

[Wyverian]

Now that i think about it, this games skill gap, is very slim to be honest, while it takes skill to pull off any win, in smash 4, spacing and timing is everything. Back in Melee, if you mastered Advanced tech, and played against someone who never uses tech, you would win almost every game. In smash 4 and even brawl, a player who is skilled in tech, can get REKT by a player who just knows how to time dodges, roll's and kill moves. I know some may not favor this, and as a person who likes to see my hard work pay off, ill still have to say that i actually like how the game turned out. I still practice my tech, i like to be flashy, yet i also need to be more aware of my opponent. Anyone agree?

 

[petrie911]

The purpose of tech is to win. If your "tech" isn't helping you win, it's not very good tech is it?

 

[Hayzie]

Smash 4 has become the Soul Calibur.

 

[Spirst]

The purpose of tech is to win. If your "tech" isn't helping you win, it's not very good tech is it?

I think the point he's making it is that there ISN'T much tech left in Smash 4. Even DACUS from Brawl is gone.

 

[ferioku]

Really? We don't need 1000000 threads about this everyday.

 

[Hayzie]

Really? We don't need 1000000 threads about this everyday.

What do we need?

 

[Spirst]

What do we need?

More individuals to say "we" as if speaking for the whole community.

 

[Wyverian]

The purpose of tech is to win. If your "tech" isn't helping you win, it's not very good tech is it?

Maybe i suck ass then. >.>

 

[JingleJangleJamil]

I think the point he's making it is that there ISN'T much tech left in Smash 4. Even DACUS from Brawl is gone.

What are you talking about? It is still around. You want to let go of the circle pad and then immediately do an up smash before the slide begins. You can also sort of to the same with down smash,but only in the middle of the short slide animation rather than before it even begins. Maybe in the Wii U version you won't have to stop the dash to DACUS with the C- stick.

 

[NairWizard]

What are you talking about? It is still around. You want to let go of the circle pad and then immediately do an up smash before the slide begins. You can also sort of to the same with down smash,but only in the middle of the short slide animation rather than before it even begins. Maybe in the Wii U version you won't have to stop the dash to DACUS with the C- stick.

DACUS is gone. You are performing a dashing up-smash, which is not a DACUS. DACUS moves Greninja across most of Final Destination. The move you're referring to doesn't.

 

[ferioku]

What do we need?

Im sayjng that we have already established this. We don't need more threqds to repeat what we already know

 

[Reila]

I think the point he's making it is that there ISN'T much tech left in Smash 4. Even DACUS from Brawl is gone.

DACUS is in the game, but if it weren't, it would not be a bad thing

Im sayjng that we have already established this. We don't need more threqds to repeat what we already know

We who?

 

[NairWizard]

DACUS is in the game, but if it weren't, it would not be a bad thing

We who?

DACUS is gone. This has been confirmed by numerous sources.

 

[Hayzie]

Im sayjng that we have already established this. We don't need more threqds to repeat what we already know

I got that the first time around. There's a thousand other threads per day; posting in this one wasn't required.

Wee wee monsieur.

 

[Wyverian]

Close it then. Seriously. I have no patience for bickering right now.

 

[NairWizard]

I got that the first time around. There's a thousand other threads per day; posting in this one wasn't required.

Wee wee monsieur.

you mean oui oui?

 

[JingleJangleJamil]

DACUS is gone. You are performing a dashing up-smash, which is not a DACUS. DACUS moves Greninja across most of Final Destination. The move you're referring to doesn't.

Well if it does something like that with Greninja, then I honestly don't have a problem with it being gone. Anyways in a dashing up-smash really that different aside from what you said?

 

[Hayzie]

you mean oui oui?

Oui.

 

[NairWizard]

Well if it does something like that with Greninja, then I honestly don't have a problem with it being gone. Anyways in a dashing up-smash really that different aside from what you said?

Main difference is that dashing up-smash travels much less distance, and you continue sliding while up-smashing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGIl27bJQM

 

[Hayzie]

Close it then. Seriously. I have no patience for bickering right now.

We're cool.

(what do you mean we are cool. You gonna start that again...)

 

[Wyverian]

We're cool.

(what do you mean we are cool. You gonna start that again...)

Sorry xD... its just i have bad experience's with forums, you go post something, and there is always that 1 person that ruins it. Oh yeah it is a dashing up smash that was changed. Its not too different, but it does take some getting use too. It actually takes more skill to do now. Which is never a bad thing

 

[JingleJangleJamil]

Main difference is that dashing up-smash travels much less distance, and you continue sliding while up-smashing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGIl27bJQM

Thank you! I still am sort of happy its gone, since it was a little too good for some like Greninja who you mentioned. Though dashing up-smash does definitely have a practical use from my experience.

 

[Hayzie]

Sorry xD... its just i have bad experience's with forums, you go post something, and there is always that 1 person that ruins it. Oh yeah it is a dashing up smash that was changed. Its not too different, but it does take some getting use too. It actually takes more skill to do now. Which is never a bad thing

Don't let them ruin it. They are but one of thousands on this forum who might have had a bad day, a boring life, or a butt that needs washing. The Up Smash just seems like the way it needs to be. People like "exploits" or fun things, I guess, no matter how impractical it is or not.

 

[lordvaati]

Yes, I too love that this game has a feeling of being more approachable without having a huge skill barrier that cuts people off.

64, and I guess Project M are the only other games I think are like that(though the 3.56 might have changed that )

 

[ferioku]

Yes, I too love that this game has a feeling of being more approachable without having a huge skill barrier that cuts people off.

64, and I guess Project M are the only other games I think are like that(though the 3.56 might have changed that )

Honestly, I think if Nintendo keep removing options, then a lot of people will quit the game, it's upsetting to see that they removed DACUS, wished they at least kept that...

Does anyone know if Glide tossing is in?

 

[JingleJangleJamil]

Honestly, I think if Nintendo keep removing options, then a lot of people will quit the game, it's upsetting to see that they removed DACUS, wished they at least kept that...

Does anyone know if Glide tossing is in?

IMO, I felt DACUS was a bit TOO good for some characters like Greninja who would slide like halfway across the stage with it. Dashing up-smash in my eyes is the same, just harder to do and less overpowered.

 

[ferioku]

IMO, I felt DACUS was a bit TOO good for some characters like Greninja who would slide like halfway across the stage with it. Dashing up-smash in my eyes is the same, just harder to do and less overpowered.

Guess so...

 

[KingCowman]

Why is it inherently bad that positioning and well timed dodges and attacks are something you have to worry about in this game?

You should be able to do that to them as well, unless they are camping defensively in an unfair matchup.

 

[Kinslayer]

Why is it inherently bad that positioning and well timed dodges and attacks are something you have to worry about in this game?

You should be able to do that to them as well, unless they are camping defensively in an unfair matchup.

It's not bad that they are viable. What is bad is how forgiving and absuable they are by certain characters especially ones with quick recovering rolls or projectiles.

 

[PokemonyeWest]

Same thread, different day

why can't some ppl just accept losses sheesh

 

[KingCowman]

In for glory I understand the issues with projectile spam, I personally have had many issues with it (Curse you DHD)
All in all hyper aggressive play shouldn't always be rewarded against worse opponents, and that's what I thought OP disliked, but I probably misread it.
You always have to play intelligently.

 

[ferioku]

Same thread, different day

why can't some ppl just accept losses sheesh

Obviously we can't accept these losses especially when we know that Nintendo may still remove good options.

 

[Xcano]

I never used techs in Brawl so I see you all talking about DACUS and I have no clue what any of it means.

 

[Wyverian]

Same thread, different day

why can't some ppl just accept losses sheesh

Well i posted this because i said i like the skill gap in this game. If people are taking it to another level then it has nothing to do with me xD

 

[Wyverian]

Also, i hate to say this but... from Sakurai's point of view, if you were to ask the man what advanced techs he had put in smash 4, he'll tell you everything from Fast falling, to pivot grabbing, to dashing up smashes are advanced, and to be honest, its kinda the truth.....Yeah i know alot of exploitable glitches are being taken out, or are gone, but thats just what they are. Glitche's....and now he can patch those out if he pleases.

 

[SmashBro99]

Also, i hate to say this but... from Sakurai's point of view, if you were to ask the man what advanced techs he had put in smash 4, he'll tell you everything from Fast falling, to pivot grabbing, to dashing up smashes are advanced, and to be honest, its kinda the truth.....Yeah i know alot of exploitable glitches are being taken out, or are gone, but thats just what they are. Glitche's....and now he can patch those out if he pleases.

These are techniques, yes.

I'm glad all the glitches are getting removed, we can have a cool meta without exploiting stuff.