Since I'm sick of continually explaining this

[Darkurai]

Snake will not have a page on the website. This is because Snake is an unlockable character. Have you noticed that he hasn't been in a single screenshot since the site launched?

 

[Pieman0920]

He'll have his own profile on the site in time you know. Just probably not beforthe release. (Or at least closer to it)

 

[Speachami]

Snake will not have a page on the website. This is because Snake is an unlockable character. Have you noticed that he hasn't been in a single screenshot since the site launched?

Like you have any ****ing right to proclaim what will or will not be on the site, or the actual game for that matter. The fact that no one here works for the development team is proof enough.

You have NO right to complain, now sit down and shut up.

 

[Xanderous]

He isn't complaining, and he's probably right.

 

[WarxePB]

Stop trolling plz


In all seriousness, we can't really predict with any certainty as to what Sakurai will do. There's a chance that he won't put up a Snake page until after Dec 3rd, but maybe he will start revealing unlockable characters as that date comes closer. I would much rather see all of the characters in the game and anticipate them, instead of waiting to see who made the cut.

 

[deebz435]

Snake will get his own profile in time and how does anyone know that some of the characters we've seen already aren't unlockables?

 

[Sinn]

Like you have any ****ing right to proclaim what will or will not be on the site, or the actual game for that matter. The fact that no one here works for the development team is proof enough.

You have NO right to complain, now sit down and shut up.

I actually thought about that a few days ago...what if one of the members of the forum IS on the development team? How would anyone know? I mean...I highly doubt that they would be one of the know it alls who announces, "This is how the game is," for obvious reasons, but the thought it still amusing to think about.

And in response to deebz435, I think that so far all the characters aren't unlockable simply because it's what happened with the characters that were announced before Melee came out...but they could have changed things up this time.

 

[deebz435]

I didn't know they did that with melee, and thank you for clarifying that for me.

 

[Sinn]

I was mildly obsessed about the updates back then too >.> Of course, I had to wait for my online friend's bootlegged translated version of the site to come out before I understood anything that was said, but the images were telling enough. Once the game was released, they slowly revealed all of the secret characters as well as the method it took to unlock them. And that picture of all the Smash characters that were available at the beginning of the game looking off to the left kept getting updated with a new character every time they did until they were all there.

Plus I still think that secret characters, if...not kept a SECRET kinda defeats the purpose of them being secret in the first place.

 

[Wyvern]

I believe Sakurai has already said that he wants to put all of the characters on the site (including secret ones) before the game's release. He knows that about ten seconds after Brawl comes out, people are going to start unlocking them and posting them online anyway, and if Brawl has an online mode that'll just be another way to see stuff before you unlock it. He'd rather you just hear it from him with flashy pictures and stuff.

 

[Sinn]

Hm, now that's something I hadn't heard. But if that's the case...72 updates, everyone. Either there's going to be a lot of information about the characters, items, stages (etc.) not yet posted by the time the game comes out, or they're going to have to start making more updates each day. Today was a sign that might be happening though.

 

[skullkidd]

Thank you for making this.
But even you can't confirm that secret characters aren't going on the site.

 

[deebz435]

I hope we get to see most if not all of the characters in the game before or around release including Snake and more unlockable characters.

 

[RokkuManZer0]

Sakurai has said that you'd have all the unlockable characters on the site before the game is released. Also why wouldn't unlockable characters have a profile on the site? How stupid is that? D:

Melee had like 10 characters in the starting rooster. Brawl's webpage is at 16 at the moment.

Stop with the assumptions and wait it out. SNAKE WILL HAVE A PROFILE ON THE WEBSITE, like every other single character in the game.

Also, if that spanish magazine scan was true, they'll be revealing Sonic soon.

 

[Bowserlick]

Snake is definately going to be unlockable. Sakurai said so. I also think that Metaknight will be unlockable (probably through the adventure mode which includes his ship as an integral part to the story).

So if Metaknight or Snake is revealed I think that means all the characters before them are on the starting roster. I have a hunch that Metanight will be the new Jiggs (and new puff) by being the first one to unlock.

 

[Darkurai]

Sakurai has said that you'd have all the unlockable characters on the site before the game is released. Also why wouldn't unlockable characters have a profile on the site? How stupid is that? D:

Melee had like 10 characters in the starting rooster. Brawl's webpage is at 16 at the moment.

Stop with the assumptions and wait it out. SNAKE WILL HAVE A PROFILE ON THE WEBSITE, like every other single character in the game.

Also, if that spanish magazine scan was true, they'll be revealing Sonic soon.

That magazine interview was proven fake.
The day that Sonic was to be revealed was last month.
Unless Sakurai plans on time travel, that magazine has no basis.

And if I'm wrong, anyone mind explaining why Snake isn't even in any screenshots?

And the thing about secret characters is that they're supposed to be SECRET.

 

[RokkuManZer0]

They only reveal characters on the screenshots after their profile has come to the DOJO. That's been the trend since the beggining of the site. We all knew Fox, Zamus, Wario would be there, but we never got a screenshot showing them until their profile was available.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Sakurai has said that you'd have all the unlockable characters on the site before the game is released. Also why wouldn't unlockable characters have a profile on the site? How stupid is that? D:

Melee had like 10 characters in the starting rooster. Brawl's webpage is at 16 at the moment.

Stop with the assumptions and wait it out. SNAKE WILL HAVE A PROFILE ON THE WEBSITE, like every other single character in the game.

Also, if that spanish magazine scan was true, they'll be revealing Sonic soon.

*14 characters

*17 at the moment

 

[Darkurai]

They only reveal characters on the screenshots after their profile has come to the DOJO. That's been the trend since the beggining of the site. We all knew Fox, Zamus, Wario would be there, but we never got a screenshot showing them until their profile was available.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/wario.html
Note the date.
June 20th.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic01.html
May 22nd.

Wario appeared almost a month before his profile.



http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html
Note the date.
July 19th.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item03.html
This date is June 14th.



http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/fox.html
Note the date.
June 11th.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item02.html
What's that?
May 31st?

Did Sakurai TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!?

 

[RokkuManZer0]

I guess you're right there. I had this fixed idea that they never showed up on screenshots before the profile, I dunno why.

I still stand by the idea that their character profiles will show up on the DOJO anyway, even being wrong on the screenshots affair. As I doubt every single character that is present here will be on the starting rooster. Or maybe that's silly of me since this game could have over 30 characters.

I might be assuming to much. Melee's starting rooster had 14 characters (thanks Pluvia) and 11 unlockable ones. If we assume that the characters in Melee will be present in the starting rooster we'll have 20 starting characters (if we count the clones out of the game (yes, I know Ganondorf is probably coming back and so is Falco). This is unlikely though as we have quite a few characters hanging. We know for sure Captain Falcon is returning, but can we say the same about Marth? Or the Ice Climbers? Game&Watch? Mewtwo? Meh. Too many questions still (Psst, confirm Zelda's moves).

I see your point but I still think it's unfounded, and I do remember Sakurai saying he'd reveal all the characters by the game's release.

*14 characters

*17 at the moment

Yeah, 14 on Melee, I wasn't sure of the number. :D As for Brawl it's still 16 unless you count Zamus as a separate character.

 

[Darkurai]

I guess you're right there. I had this fixed idea that they never showed up on screenshots before the profile, I dunno why.

I still stand by the idea that their character profiles will show up on the DOJO anyway, even being wrong on the screenshots affair. As I doubt every single character that is present here will be on the starting rooster. Or maybe that's silly of me since this game could have over 30 characters.

I might be assuming to much. Melee's starting rooster had 14 characters (thanks Pluvia) and 11 unlockable ones. If we assume that the characters in Melee will be present in the starting rooster we'll have 20 starting characters (if we count the clones out of the game (yes, I know Ganondorf is probably coming back and so is Falco). This is unlikely though as we have quite a few characters hanging. We know for sure Captain Falcon is returning, but can we say the same about Marth? Or the Ice Climbers? Game&Watch? Mewtwo? Meh. Too many questions still (Psst, confirm Zelda's moves).

I see your point but I still think it's unfounded, and I do remember Sakurai saying he'd reveal all the characters by the game's release.



Yeah, 14 on Melee, I wasn't sure of the number. :D As for Brawl it's still 16 unless you count Zamus as a separate character.

The thing is, not EVERY character from 64 was available from the start in Melee.
And as for "every character", he probably meant every starter. If you think that means there wouldn't be many unlockables since melee only had 25 total, remember that it was said that Brawl could have as many as fifty fighters.
And if you think EVERY character will be on the site by the game's release, they'd have to do the same with stages. There's probably around 20 stages. Assuming there's 50 Characters, that's 70 updates required. There are only around 70 updates left until release, maybe less.

 

[Bob Hollywood]

Although Snake could very well end up being unlockable, Darkurai's claim that he is definitely unlockable is arrogant.

Sure, Snake hasn't appeared in any screenshots on the official site yet, but it's very likely that they just dont want to put characters into official screenshots until after they've already gotten a profile on their website.

 

[Darkurai]

Although Snake could very well end up being unlockable, Darkurai's claim that he is definitely unlockable is arrogant.

Sure, Snake hasn't appeared in any screenshots on the official site yet, but it's very likely that they just dont want to put characters into official screenshots until after they've already gotten a profile on their website.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/wario.html
Note the date.
June 20th.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic01.html
May 22nd.

Wario appeared almost a month before his profile.



http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html
Note the date.
July 19th.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item03.html
This date is June 14th.



http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/fox.html
Note the date.
June 11th.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item02.html
What's that?
May 31st?

Did Sakurai TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!?

You were saying?

 

[Takalth]

If this discussion is going to be beneficial in any way, don't mention anything Sakurai said unless you can provide a link. "I remember Sakurai saying..." isn't enough. There are WAY too many comments from stuff that either hasn't been confirmed or has been flat out disproven (though a couple are correct as well).

 

[RokkuManZer0]

Indeed, Luigi and Jigglypuff were unlockables but everyone from the starting rooster was already present in melee with a few new guys so that'd be Mario, Samus, Link, Kirby, Pikachu, Donkey Kong, Fox and Yoshi. Those have already been confirmed. Jigglypuff and Luigi maintained their unlockable positions in Melee but Ness and Capt. Falcon were promoted to starters. So as far as new possible starting rooster newcomers we have Wario, Pokémon Trainer, Pit, Ike and Diddy Kong. And to be honest, I don't see Brawl having 50 fighters.

I'm not saying you couldn't be right. But there's no point in holding out the secret characters profile as they'll be on the internet as soon as November 22nd.

70 updates are a lot of updates especially if you make double updates in one day. You could have as many as 140 updates. Or 210 if he posted three per day.

 

[thejbr12]

Indeed, Luigi and Jigglypuff were unlockables but everyone from the starting rooster was already present in melee with a few new guys so that'd be Mario, Samus, Link, Kirby, Pikachu, Donkey Kong, Fox and Yoshi. Those have already been confirmed. Jigglypuff and Luigi maintained their unlockable positions in Melee but Ness and Capt. Falcon were promoted to starters. So as far as new possible starting rooster newcomers we have Wario, Pokémon Trainer, Pit, Ike and Diddy Kong. And to be honest, I don't see Brawl having 50 fighters.

I'm not saying you couldn't be right. But there's no point in holding out the secret characters profile as they'll be on the internet as soon as November 22nd.

70 updates are a lot of updates especially if you make double updates in one day. You could have as many as 140 updates. Or 210 if he posted three per day.

OK, I haven't posted much on this site but I have been doing a lot of research.

SSB had 8 starters, 4 unlockables.

SSBM had 14 starters, 2 of which (Capt. Falcon and Ness) were promoted to starters from the previous game, and 11 unlockables.

We can assess with sufficient certainty that there will be at least 30 characters, given that there have been 8 new characters announced (6 with profiles, Snake and Metaknight without). Some may get cut from SSBM, some may not, but the final total is almost certainly over 30. I would estimate way below 50, with 40 being a nice round guess.

The starters from SSBM that have NOT been announced so far for SSBB are Ness, Capt. Falcon, and Ice Climbers. The other 11 have been. Given that it makes more sense for NEW characters to be unlockable, and old characters to be promoted from unlockable to starter, we should expect a few (like Ness and Capt. Falcon were) who WERE unlockable to BECOME starters. If Falco is still in it I'd guess him, same thing with Marth, Ganandorf, and Jigglypuff.

IF there are 40 characters I'd expect the starter totals to be around 22-24, leaving 18-16 (probably 16) unlockables. Using 24 as my guess for total starters, we have 17 so far (assuming that all announced so far are starters, which makes sense) we have 7 to go. Capt. Falcon, likely, Ness and Ice Climbers, who knows, then at least 4 more (probably old unlockables).

I hope this all made sense. Oh, and if they do announce secret characters before the release date I wouldn't expect them until the end of November at the earliest. Why ruin the surprises earlier than they have to?

 

[The_Corax_King]

Didn't he say he was going to release all the secret characters before because he knew people would find out anyway....


But assuming you are right... this means Metaknight is probably unlockable too...

 

[Bassoonist]

But assuming you are right... this means Metaknight is probably unlockable too...

I don't get why people think this... The presentation of Meta Knight and Snake is different. Meta Knight has been shown on updates on the site recently, while Snake has been shown only in the videos.

 

[Davimert]

I don't get why people think this... The presentation of Meta Knight and Snake is different. Meta Knight has been shown on updates on the site recently, while Snake has been shown only in the videos.

I have been searching (didn't look EVERYWHERE) and I didn't see a single Metaknight on the site... Did you?

 

[Metaknight X]

I have been searching (didn't look EVERYWHERE) and I didn't see a single Metaknight on the site... Did you?

Obviously you didn't look hard enough -_-

 

[thejbr12]

I don't get why people think this... The presentation of Meta Knight and Snake is different. Meta Knight has been shown on updates on the site recently, while Snake has been shown only in the videos.

Well I have an explanation. Meta Knight is a nintendo character so they want to showcase him as often as possible. Snake, being third party, would make more sense to leave out of screenies until he has a profile. (Getting back on track with the original topic of this thread, Snake WILL have a profile, but not until (at the earliest, IMO) the end of November).

I think Meta Knight is an unlockable character, but not because of his lack of profile and screenshots. I believe that, since his ship is used in the Subspace Emissary Adventure Mode, you would unlock him at some point during, or after, that mode.

Snake, as a guest to a "Nintendo's All-Stars" game, will almost undoubtedly be unlockable, and not a starter.

 

[Noshiee]

also metakinght appeard in the "You Must Recover" updadate, he was the one that launched Mario out of the stage lol.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Sakurai said that it made sense that guest characters were unlockables... and he said he planned to reveal every character on the dojo, but the hidden characters would get their profiles after release.

And now I'm just guessing, but Sakurai has always been very.... um modest? and probably isn't revealing MetaKnight because he's one of his characters.

 

[Takalth]

Sakurai said that it made sense that guest characters were unlockables... and he said he planned to reveal every character on the dojo, but the hidden characters would get their profiles after release.
.

Do you have a link? There are way too many "Sakurai said..." comments floating around smashboards.

 

[deebz435]

Snake is definately going to be unlockable. Sakurai said so. I also think that Metaknight will be unlockable (probably through the adventure mode which includes his ship as an integral part to the story).

So if Metaknight or Snake is revealed I think that means all the characters before them are on the starting roster. I have a hunch that Metanight will be the new Jiggs (and new puff) by being the first one to unlock.

Metaknight will probably be unlockable but i dont think he'll be unlocked the same way Jiggs was for the first two smash games. Im not so sure Jiggs is going away either.

 

[SmashFi3nd]

snake is not gonna have a profile until after the game gets launched, sakurai released all the secret characters of melee after the game was released....sakurai also stated tht the 3rd party characters were going to b unlockable. so snake is not available from the start which means he will get a profile AFTER the game is launched. if im wrong then hes probably gonna get a profile in november

 

[Darkurai]

Okay, admittadly, I can't find where it said that all third-parties will be unlockable.
HOWEVER
ANSWER ME THIS
WHERE DID IT SAY EVERY CHARACTER WOULD BE ON THE SITE BY LAUNCH!?
And it must be a reliable source!

 

[McFox]

Yeah, because you all know everything about what Sakurai plans for the website.

ANSWER ME THIS DARKURAI
WHERE DID IT SAY UNLOCKABLE CHARACTERS WOULD NOT BE ON THE SITE!?
And it must be a reliable source!