Shroom for the Stars: Captain Toad for Smash 4! CHAPTER 11: IT'S A MII; TOAD!

[BluePikmin11]

Did anyone get Mario Party 10 today?
I got it along with the Toad amiibo too!
Holy cow, I didn't think I would own one now.

 

[Arcadenik]

I have the Toad amiibo. It is my only Mario series amiibo (Gold Mario is on the way). I really want Toad to be playable in Smash so bad.

I just want Toad to have alternate costumes based on Blue Toad (SMB2, NSMBWii/U, 3D World) and Captain Toad in addition to his classic costume (red spots and blue vest). It would be pretty cool if Toadette and Toadsworth were playable as Toad's alternate skins a la Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings.

Toad (red spots, blue vest)
Toadette
Toadsworth
Red Toad
Blue Toad
Yellow Toad
Green Toad
Purple Toad
Captain Toad
Captain Toadette

This way, fans of Toad, Toadette, Toadsworth, Blue Toad, and/or Captain Toad will be mostly satisfied... and it would obliterate the "Toad vs Captain Toad vs. Blue Toad" debate in one fell swoop.

I just want a playable Toad to have a moveset that is based on SMB2, NSMBWii/U, 3D World, Captain Toad, and Wario's Woods... he has more than enough material to develop a moveset. The moveset just has to be simple, coherent, and unique.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Captain Toad makes so much sense to me as a character. Look at this:

F Smash: Super pickaxe slice forward.

Up Smash: Pulls a gem out of the ground to above his head, similar to Lucas' up smash hit boxes.

Down Smash: Swing his heavy backpack on the ground.

F Tilt: Parry forward with Super Pickaxe

Down Tilt: Tries pulling something out of the ground (like villager's, but like in the Captain's game can be done consecutively pretty fast).

Up tilt: Small amount of spores come out of his head (cause he's a shroom, obviously).

Jab: Simple punch, kick, then swings around and hits target with his backpack.

Nair: Spins around in the air (backpack is the hitbox).

Fair: Swings super pickaxe in the same way ice climbers did for their Fair, meteor smashes at specific spot in the move.

Bair: Similar to Ike's, but Captain Toad takes his backpack off and swings it with those similar hitboxes.

Up Air: Holds super pickaxe upward (again, like Ice Climbers, same hitboxes as well).

Neutral B: Pulls a turnip out of the ground, holds it above his head until ready to let go. Hold B to keep holding the turnip, can walk around while holding this. Every turnip does the same damage (no stitch faces). Longer held, further distance thrown. Will start falling when it loses momentum from throwing it (which obviously changes depending on how long you hold this attack).

Side B: Minecart ride (like Bowser Junior's side B). Can press B to throw turnips during the ride, and spin out at the end, but can't jump during the move like Bowser Junior's.

Up B: Grabs ahold of a Para-BiddyBud (or Bug? Can't seem to remember), and it carries him upward. The BiddyBud itself has a hitbox.

Down B: Puts a double cherry copy of himself out in front as a shield. Doesn't last long, but runnin into it will give you some hitstun and knock you back a bit. You can destroy this double cherry copy like Zelda's phantom. Not as strong as it though.

Grabs are very difficult to decide. I really don't have much care in the matters of that. Same with Final Smash.

Taunts:
One of his taunts could potentially be him spinning around like in his game, and it has a hitbox because in the game doing that can kill enemies.

Another can turn his headlight on and off.

Last one can make him look back and forth like at the beginning of a level.

 

[random rendum]

I support but if he doesn't jump I think he'll be crap

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I support but if he doesn't jump I think he'll be crap

What if can only jump once? No double jump severely limits aerial game but still allows him to have Nairs, Fairs, etc. Plus it would be an interesting play-style to work with. Maybe his aerial moves could be really strong as well, just hard to use in a game.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

People overlook the fact that some other characters don't jump in their original games either. Why assume Captain Toad wouldn't be able to? That makes little sense to me. His jumps could be there, as long as they're not Falco or Greninja height jumps. Perhaps Dr Mario height jumps would go well with Captain Toad as a smash character.

 

[random rendum]

What if can only jump once? No double jump severely limits aerial game but still allows him to have Nairs, Fairs, etc. Plus it would be an interesting play-style to work with. Maybe his aerial moves could be really strong as well, just hard to use in a game.

Nah, im an aerial guy I think heavyweight jumps ( not little mac jumps no just no ) will be better or a middleweight jump and little mac 2nd jump with a great recovery minecart probably

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Nah, im an aerial guy I think heavyweight jumps ( not little mac jumps no just no ) will be better or a middleweight jump and little mac 2nd jump with a great recovery minecart probably

I still like the idea of adjustable weight. It would add so much strategy to the character's playstyle.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Been a while since coming here. Anyway, I wonder if Captain Toad and The Toad can be still considered the same character because Mario + Doc-clause.

Also I wanna go with the idea that Captain Toad in Sprixie Kingdom is thus a Doc-fied Toad, akin to Dr.Mario being somewhat his own established character since 64 (I think).

Another headcanon is that Captain Toad put up the backpack in order to attain the super strength of his back (that he lost during years helping Mario out in the sidelines). Mostly because Peach would be against violence and wants to talk to Bowser in person during her being held in whatever she's at and Mario only coming in when nothing helps (which is most of the time).

Because Peach being naive pacifist, Bowser being actually a big softie and Mario just having to cut things loose if it doesn't help talking Bowser out of dealing with whole Turtle Tribe VS Mushroom Kingdom.

 

[YoshiandToad]

It really was just a matter of time.

 

[fogbadge]

It really was just a matter of time.

and we all want it

 

[BluePikmin11]

Your reaction to this:
The Toad amiibo is compatible with Smash Bros., but the only function it has is turning the Sandbag into Toad. (All of them including as item, HRC, Wi-Fi training room)

 

[YoshiandToad]

Your reaction to this:
The Toad amiibo is compatible with Smash Bros., but the only function it has is turning the Sandbag into Toad. (All of them including as item, HRC, Wi-Fi training room)

I'd hack the game, replace my sandbag with Sakurai and practice the home run contest daily. Before flying to Japan and seeing if the game's skills are transferable to real life. Too dark? Too dark.

Seriously though, I would not be impressed. I'd probably stop buying anything related to Sakurai at all. This three times repeated 'unplayable target' status of Toad is kind of getting ridiculous. If it's increased it's even more ridiculous.

I wouldn't expect this sort of treatment of a Nintendo Z lister, let alone a genuinely world famous individual like Toad in a game that claims to celebrate Nintendo's greatest stars.

 

[FalKoopa]

Your reaction to this:
The Toad amiibo is compatible with Smash Bros., but the only function it has is turning the Sandbag into Toad. (All of them including as item, HRC, Wi-Fi training room)

Are you deliberately trying to make people salty, hm?

More believable stuff would be unlocking Peach's Neutral B variants or unlocking the Toad hat for Mii's.

 

[fogbadge]

Your reaction to this:
The Toad amiibo is compatible with Smash Bros., but the only function it has is turning the Sandbag into Toad. (All of them including as item, HRC, Wi-Fi training room)

YOU'VE CROSSED ME FOR THE LAST TIME UNIVERSE!

 

[Arcadenik]

Your reaction to this:
The Toad amiibo is compatible with Smash Bros., but the only function it has is turning the Sandbag into Toad. (All of them including as item, HRC, Wi-Fi training room)

What's the point of making Toad amiibo compatible with SSB4 if it's only to replace Sandbag? It adds literally nothing... it's just Sandbag with a Toad model.

At least Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker added that Pixel Toad mode.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Your reaction to this:
The Toad amiibo is compatible with Smash Bros., but the only function it has is turning the Sandbag into Toad. (All of them including as item, HRC, Wi-Fi training room)

WHAT?! That's awesome! Sadly, it's not an actual fighter...

 

[YoshiandToad]

Toad Brigade; It is time.

TIME FOR ADVENTURE VOTING!

Let's let our voices be heard, let Nintendo know we want the complete Mario set and that (Captain) Toad has a ton of appeal!

BE HEARD FRIENDS. LET US ESCAPE THE TYRANNY OF PEACH'S PANTIES! LET US PROVE WE ARE FUN GUYS. BE SPORE-TING TO YOUR FELLOW SMASHERS BUT SPREAD THE FUNGAL INFECTION LOVE TO EVERYONE WE CAN.

I don't mind if you vote for Captain Toad or regular Toad, but let your voice be heard.

 

[jreed3842]

Guys! GUYS! Did you see the Nintendo Direct?! You can vote for a new fighter on Smashbros.com!
I already threw in my vote for Captain Toad (and got some of my friends who aren't into Smash Bros that much to do so too!)
Here's our chance to get Captain Toad in! *runs around in excitement*

 

[Zzuxon]

LISTEN UP GUYS WE HAVE A NEW MISSION.
Go vote for Captain Toad, and give a well thought out and argued explanation, that'll make it more likely that we'll be taken seriously.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Welp, I've casted my vote. I shall ask others to aid our cause IRL tomorrow.

Just as I came to accept Captain Toad was unlikely too this comes along. Speculation all over again.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Come on ya'll! Let's make Captain Toad's dream come true!

 

[Arcadenik]

LISTEN UP GUYS WE HAVE A NEW MISSION.
Go vote for Captain Toad, and give a well thought out and argued explanation, that'll make it more likely that we'll be taken seriously.

We need to come up with one and agree with it. Why should Toad become a fighter?

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker and Super Mario 3D World are both very recent and they sold very good. That's a start... what else, guys?

 

[Zzuxon]

We need to come up with one and agree with it. Why should Toad become a fighter?

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker and Super Mario 3D World are both very recent and they sold very good. That's a start... what else, guys?

Our top reasoning has to be how big of an all-star Toad is, how Iconic he is. Indeed, I saved my first vote, and will post it here as an example:
Toad has been a Mario staple for most of the series's history. He is one of the most Iconic video game characters in existence, and is recognizable by many non-gamers, not to mention very popular among gamers. He is a true nintendo all-star, and deseves to be in smash, either as classic or Captain Toad. Recent games like Captain Toad and 3d World have helped Toad come into his own and prove his worth, and now one of the last true all-stars should arrive in smash.
DO NOT JUST COPY PASTE THIS
I'd bet Nintendo has as system to detect duplicate votes if they just copy/paste the rationale.

I'm not going to lie.
I'll be casting multiple votes for Toad, There are few depths I won't sink to for Toad.
However, I'll be changing my rationale each time to evade detection systems I feel nintendo may hves. I would encourage others to do the same.

 

[Arcadenik]

I also want to cast multiple votes for Toad... but I am not sure how...

I have a laptop, a mobile phone, and a tablet... will they count if I voted for Toad once per device at my home? What if I voted on my laptop at home and then voted again on the same laptop at another place like the college campus and again at my boyfriend's house?

 

[weegee2407]

I said that his moveset would be really unique.

 

[Arcadenik]

@ Zzuxon So I just checked up my IP address on both my laptop and tablet... and they are the same... so I guess that voting on my laptop and then voting on my tablet at home probably might not work...?

 

[Zzuxon]

@ Zzuxon So I just checked up my IP address on both my laptop and tablet... and they are the same... so I guess that voting on my laptop and then voting on my tablet at home probably might not work...?

I read on 4chan that you can vote repeatedly from the same device, it only occassionally stops you from voting again, and this can be fixed with a refresh.
I suppose they want to make sure siblings can each have a vote, but we can use that.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Time to vote for Cap. Did it twice. Is that bad? They said only once and said please.....whatever we need this Toad.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Well, gonna go vote like 87 more times....

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Come on ya'll! Let's make Captain Toad's dream come true!

Done and done. Why do I fell guilty for voting for more than three characters?

 

[Zzuxon]

Done and done. Why do I fell guilty for voting for more than three characters?

Don't feel to bad.
I'll be voting 3 or 4 times a week.

 

[Arcadenik]

Don't feel to bad.
I'll be voting 3 or 4 times a week.

The characters I plan to vote the most for are Toad, Dixie Kong, Tingle, Meowth, Wandering Heroes (StreetPass Mii Plaza), Simon Belmont, and Captain N.

 

[Zzuxon]

I'll be doing mostly Toad, but I'll throw a few others a bone.
An Advance Wars character is very overdue.

 

[Arcadenik]

I'll be doing mostly Toad, but I'll throw a few others a bone.
An Advance Wars character is very overdue.

Ahh, yes... I knew I was forgetting someone. I would love to play as a generic Infantry Unit (they were the ones doing the actual fighting, not the COs like Andy or Sami).

Back to Toad, I was thinking of another reason why Toad should be in Smash... I always felt that the Mario series felt incomplete without Toad. It's true, you know... we have Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Rosalina, Bowser Jr., and Wario but no Toad. I mean, we have a Toad amiibo like all other Mario characters already in Smash yet he is not playable. I feel that Toad's inclusion would make the Mario series feel complete.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I would love to bring some attention to Captain Toad in regard to his necessity to Nintendo and his options as a unique character; would anyone write up a blurb?
http://smashboards.com/threads/smashboards-votes.397113/#post-18876819
I'm hoping to have a large collection of information for some of the bigger contenders, for anyone looking on who to vote for, or perhaps for a big listing many from here can put on the ballad, in mass.

 

[Propeller Toad]

I definitely gave in my support to Captain Toad on the Smash Ballot!

Honestly, even Nintendo has made it quite clear as of recently that Toad is BIG part of the Super Mario series. There's a real sense of awkwardness when I looked upon the Super Mario wave and noticed that Toad is the only character who is not playable in Smash Bros - a series that claims to be the collaboration of Nintendo All-Stars (*and friends as of Brawl*). It's just odd that Toad isn't playable in Smash Bros and Captain Toad truly does give a great reasoning to even have a Toad on the roster. It's undeniable that Captain Toad has gotten quite the fan-cult especially from his charm. Heck, even the developers want to see more of Captain Toad in the future!

Some form of Toad whether it be classic Toad or Captain Toad would honestly satisfy me at this point of time. I've been playing since Melee in 2001, and to be quite honest - Toad is the only character I would like to have at this point of time. I am happy to see our favourite little fungi getting much needed popularity as of late!~

 

[fogbadge]

captain toad was the first character i voted for

 

[whirlwindsnake]

Monkey D Luffy. Guys if we can get enough people to agree on Luffy he will show up. for those who don't know who he is you must look him up. He could have the perfect set of moves, super, outfits, and would fit perfectly. the more votes the better the chances! and if you think about it please spread this. choose One Piece Unlimited World Red. plenty of other games but they will know how to make his movesets and we want them to have the same vote over and over!

 

[YoshiandToad]

Monkey D Luffy. Guys if we can get enough people to agree on Luffy he will show up. for those who don't know who he is you must look him up. He could have the perfect set of moves, super, outfits, and would fit perfectly. the more votes the better the chances! and if you think about it please spread this. choose One Piece Unlimited World Red. plenty of other games but they will know how to make his movesets and we want them to have the same vote over and over!

As a massive One Piece fan I can only say this; Wrong thread.