Should bowser jr be played defensive or aggressive I don't know

[Super ninja panda]

Is bowser jr a aggressive character or a defensive character so far he seems better on the defence cuz he can set up traps and wall people out but normally top tiers destroy defensive players . But if you look at tweek he can deal with top tiers pretty well . He pressures the top tiers and gains momentum so aggressive players can deal with top tiers . what play style is better.

 

[Super ninja panda]

Oh and plz say why

 

[krazyzyko]

You should play defensively as in walling out opponent until you get an opening and then capitalize accordingly.

Tweek makes good reads and links combos well on reaction. But jr's moves are too laggy to whiff out so it's safer to zone and space well your disjoints and then punish landing with side B or link something after an MK or drill, etc.

 

[Super ninja panda]

Umm ok. The problem is if the other play is always in your face u can't set up the MK and if they have a fast anti air they can punish your fair. Which is huge in your defensive game.

 

[krazyzyko]

Of course the MK won't be used at CQC unless you have it at hand. The fair and other disjoints need to properly spaced for it to be safe.

 

[pikazz]

I am using Jr Aggresive with Pressure in that way that i apply as much pressure and zoning to retain stage controll and taking each slip up they do.

I usually spacing with FAir and using SideB approach with SideB Fake Outs aggresively there FAir actually autocancle on SH, creating "traps" if they are close or jumping above you so you can SideSmash, Down Tilt, UpTilt or Up Smash or any other move you feel to do when you forced them to approach

 

[Super ninja panda]

Of course the MK won't be used at CQC unless you have it at hand. The fair and other disjoints need to properly spaced for it to be safe.

I do space it properly it's just characters with tether grabs or stuff like DK's up tilt can catch a well spaced fair
and I can't seem to land behind the opponent. And what does CQC mean I started smashboards.com 3 days
ago so I'm kind of a noob

 

[HakuryuVision]

Kind of depends on who you fight.
You can be really aggressive on Villager thanks to the cart, but have to stick to a strict defensive style when facing Falco.
Bowser Jr also has good zoning tools, bait & punish tactics, and unorthodox styles like when facing Rosalina. (Go for Luma first, then use the 17 seconds to destroy Rosey)

Also, thanks to pikazz, we might get another really interesting tools soon: http://smashboards.com/threads/quick-clown-footstool-possible-a-new-tech.411896/

 

[krazyzyko]

I do space it properly it's just characters with tether grabs or stuff like DK's up tilt can catch a well spaced fair
and I can't seem to land behind the opponent. And what does CQC mean I started smashboards.com 3 days
ago so I'm kind of a noob

My B. CQC means "Close Quarter Combat"

With the C-stick set to attack, you can drift further away with your fairs. Tethers are a problem though so you're going to have to mix it up with you aerial sponouts, nairs, bairs and side B cancels.

 

[Super ninja panda]

Ok thanks I got an idea side-b fast fall jab jab incase they go for a grab and if their still in shield our slow grab beats
their super slow grab.

 

[eherogirl]

I use Wendy as aggressive as possible.

 

[eagle_master]

I'm playing both style, starting defensive and going more aggressive as the opponent % increase.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Depends on the match up. Some characters like Rosalina and Villager practically force you to be aggressive while for characters like Luigi and Ness it's probably better to be defensive. My modus operandi is to focus on stage control and then just hammer things out from there.

 

[Blanc]

i personally play full aggro, no stops. there isnt a lot of leeway in bjrs moveset to sit back and camp as they can pick up your only useful projectile and your only approach option moves you forward in a line.

 

[eagle_master]

i personally play full aggro, no stops. there isnt a lot of leeway in bjrs moveset to sit back and camp as they can pick up your only useful projectile and your only approach option moves you forward in a line.

True but what you can do is sending a MK, then an uncharge or charge canon ball (depends if the opponent is close or not) so if they pick up the MK, they'll be hit by the canon ball but if they jump over the MK and use their double jump to get over the canon ball, you can punish them with an up smash. Of course this doesn't work versus characters with multiple mid-air jumps.

 

[Blanc]

True but what you can do is sending a MK, then an uncharge or charge canon ball (depends if the opponent is close or not) so if they pick up the MK, they'll be hit by the canon ball but if they jump over the MK and use their double jump to get over the canon ball, you can punish them with an up smash. Of course this doesn't work versus characters with multiple mid-air jumps.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL no, if they pick up a mk, they can sheild IMMEDIATELY. cannonball is mad ass, never ever ever suggest it as a legit strat dude

 

[pikazz]

I want to point out that cannonball is good for scrubs and only for hardcore reads, otherwise it has no use in competive play of how sluggish it is

(did win against a competive Luigi with Cannonball cause his "flaw" was he always jumped off the ledge and Fair near the ledge so it scored me a kill with a welltimed Cannonball, I did it only for style points 'w' otherwise I would have FSmash or Side Tilt and FAirs if he tried to recover but Cannonball feels more ashamed to die off)

 

[Metalex]

I think that there is one good use for the Canonball and that is when edgeguarding against vertical recoveries since you can edgecancel it and go out with a aerial afterwards.
In some situations you can also force the opponent to airdodge it and recover low this way which can be useful.

Otherwise yeah it's probably one of the worst moves in the game.

 

[Abyssal Lagiacrus]

I mean, I never play defensively because I find it boring.

Playing offensively with this character is very good, so that works out for me.

 

[D-Man9293]

Depends on if you like to play aggressively or defensively. I'm an attacker with little to no use of defensive attacks so I use him as an attacker. But if you play defensively, you still can, because he has some good choices for blocking opponents.

 

[Duck SMASH!]

Jr's playstyle is weird. He wants to be offensive but doesn't have enough tools to do so.
He has good aerials, but no grab follow ups to get them going.
He has a decent projectile that throws opponents into the air, but it's easily picked up and mostly meant to fool the unaware.
His grab is garbage, so shield is extremely powerful against him. (WE NEED A TETHER GRAB and a throw follow up)
His tilts are more defensive because they're relatively slow, honestly.
His side B can help with baiting but it's so limiting that you would do better with a different character like ZSS or Falcon.
I honestly do better with Jr when I'm playing more defensively. And at that point I would rather play Bowser, whose punishes are much more satisfying and plays somewhat better when he's defensive.

 

[Abyssal Lagiacrus]

Yeah, it's pretty disappointing that his grab looks like it's a mix of a tether + a normal grab, but it's literally worse than most other grabs

 

[pikazz]

what if: he got a Tether Grab and could do "ZAir" in air? improving his recovery even more

 

[Abyssal Lagiacrus]

I mean, that'd be fantastic.

 

[aircaves]

Personally I play him as both, if I'm playing against a character that doesn't have an answer to the kart dash I start going aggressive with it. It forces them to play defensively and given enough pressure I can defeat them. On the other hand I start playing more defensive if I can't safely approach with the cart and instead use the cart as a surprise attack when I see an opening. I also tend to play defensive if I'm losing and offensive if I'm winning. On another layer I also switch between offensive and defensive within a match to force my opponents to adapt to my change in playstyle.

This strategy has allowed me to be succesful with bowser jr. because like him I do best with options and he definitely can be played both offensive or defensive, it depends on your opponent, how the match is going, and how you want to play him.

 

[DonutsKy]

You could play either way. Tweek is the best BowJow by far and his play-style is ridiculously aggressive. My play-style is rather aggressive as well, and while I tend to do great most of the time (due to my opponents' lack of knowledge on the MU), I also struggle a lot if the opponent knows what to expect from me. In that case I have to go on the defensive. Jr is a character who is highly rewarded for reads and mix-ups, so being aggressive AND predictable is a total no-no. If you don't feel 100% comfortable with your offensive game (you don't know his combos/follow-ups well enough), I would recommend you to play defensively.

 

[Prometheus_98]

normally defensive considering he cant pressure all that well on shield

 

[Dcas]

If your opponent knows the MU and has good frame data/ punish game, absolutely defensive. All it takes is projectile spamming / waiting on shield to turn down Jr. In that case you must be creative with your mecha koopa to bait them or force them to come to you. Sadly this is when you can see Bjr is at most mid tier.