Shoddy Battle

[SuperRad]

Here's the team I'm currently working with. All my EVs/Natures are just copied from Smogon, if there's something notable about them I'll try to make note of it.

Metagross (Occa Berry)
Bullet Punch
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Explode

Latias (Choice Specs)
Draco Meteor
Surf
Thunderbolt
Trick

Starmie (Specs) [Timid nature]
Hydro Pump
Grass Knot
Ice Beam
Psychic

Scizor (Choice Band)
Pursuit
Bullet Punch
Superpower
U-Turn

Blissey (Leftovers)
Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Toxic
Seismic Toss

Rotom-H (Leftovers)
Thunderbolt
Overheat
Shadow Ball
Will o Wisp

I'm kinda worried about Gyarados and if I lose Scizor I can't take out Blissey.
I threw this together earlier today and it seems to be decent. Definitely needs adjustment though.
Is Latias+Starmie redundant? I don't know what to use instead.

 

[kirbyraeg]

you could put a scarf on starmie instead of specs to help revenge stuff like gyara and mence. I don't feel like blissey does much for your team either, and if you want heal bell support you might want to try something with more of an offensive presence. you could try dragonite, he's got a nifty heal bell support set that might work.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
248 HP / 216 SpD / 44 Spe
Careful / Calm
~ Heal Bell / Light Screen
~ Roost
~ Thunder Wave / Toxic
~ Dragon Claw / Flamethrower

pick the nature that matches with the attack you decide to run. my personal opinion is to run heal bell AND light screen instead of one of the status attacks just because it might be helpful to the rest of your team.

 

[SuperRad]

oooh, i like it. i'll try using both heal bell and light screen, see how that goes. [EDIT: apparently you can't use both. oh well.]

i'm still thinking about scrapping latias, but i don't have a replacement in mind. i'm gonna throw a scarf on starmie and see if that works better [also, i dont know why i was using grass knot instead of thunderbolt. that was dumb.]

what about switching latias to a calm mind set instead of specs? still might not be quite what i need.

thanks spenser.

 

[pockyD]

the real question is why you're using psychic

 

[SuperRad]

the real question is why you're using psychic

i dunno. what should i use instead? trick?

edit: and now that i've switched to scarf,should I go modest instead of timid?

 

[pockyD]

here's something new

Latias used Refresh.
Latias's attack missed!

it was paralyzed

who knew?

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Any thoughts/advice.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Jolly
252Hp 252Spe ( I want him to be fast enough to abuse taunt but I also want him to take hits decently, these EVs need some work.)

EQ
Taunt
Roost
Toxic

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Careful
252SpD 252HP ( I want to switch him into any and all no super effective special hits and then profit on the switch with Super Power (was Focus Punch) or Thunder Wave )

Pursuit
Super Power
Stone Edfe
Thunder Wave

Heatran @ Choice Scarf (Heatran is amazing)
252SpA 252Spe
Timid

Fire Blast
Explosion
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power


Celebii @ Leftovers
152HP 152Def 252 SpA
Bold

Leech Seed
Psychic
Recover
Leaf Storm

Dragonite @ Leftovers
252Hp 252 Def

Draco Meteor
Over Heat (Takes random hits and Check Scizor)
Roost
Thunder Wave


Blissey @ Leftovers
BOLD
252HP 252 Def

COUNTER (With its Defense investment and counter it beats a lot of stuff that it normally might have more trouble with, and still does what Blissey is supposed to)
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Toxic


I kinda want to get rid of Dragonite, he was a Weezing before. Dragonite is the only one really weak to Steath Rocks so I was thinking about maybe replacing him with Taunt Skarmory.


Thanks.

 

[kirbyraeg]

this was a pretty hilarious log.

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Soul Dew Clause
testosterone sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
DA_Ambipom sent out Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf).
Azelf used Reflect.
A barrier was formed!
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
Azelf lost 46% of its health.
---
DA_Mew2King has entered the room.
Azelf used Taunt.
Metagross fell for the taunt!
Metagross used Brick Break.
The wall shattered!
It's not very effective...
Azelf lost 21% of its health.
---
DA_Ambipom: roflmao
DA_Ambipom: this guy hates HO
Metagross used Bullet Punch.
Azelf lost 32% of its health.
DA_Ambipom's Azelf fainted.
---
testosterone: yup
DA_Ambipom switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
testosterone switched in Gardevoir (lvl 100 Gardevoir ?).
Gardevoir traced Gyarados's Intimidate!
Gardevoir's Intimidate cut Gyarados's attack!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
---
DA_Ambipom switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Gardevoir used Will-o-wisp.
Tyranitar was burned!
The sandstorm rages.
Gardevoir is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gardevoir lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gardevoir restored 6% of its health.
Tyranitar was hurt by its burn!
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
---
testosterone switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Tyranitar was hurt by its burn!
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
---
Metagross used Bullet Punch.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 24% of its health.
The Babiri Berry weakened Bullet Punch's power!
Tyranitar used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Metagross lost 43% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Tyranitar was hurt by its burn!
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
---
Metagross used Bullet Punch.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 39% of its health.
DA_Ambipom's Tyranitar fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
DA_Ambipom switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
testosterone switched in Gardevoir (lvl 100 Gardevoir ?).
Gardevoir traced Gyarados's Intimidate!
Gardevoir's Intimidate cut Gyarados's attack!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gardevoir lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gardevoir restored 6% of its health.
---
Gyarados used Waterfall.
Gardevoir lost 72% of its health.
Gyarados lost 10% of its health.
Gardevoir used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Gyarados lost 84% of its health.
DA_Ambipom's Gyarados fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Gardevoir is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gardevoir lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gardevoir restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_Ambipom switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
Kingdra used Dragon Dance.
Kingdra's attack was raised.
Kingdra's speed was raised.
Gardevoir used Will-o-wisp.
Kingdra was burned!
Kingdra's Lum Berry cured its Burn!
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gardevoir lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gardevoir restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Substitute.
Kingdra lost 25% of its health.
Kingdra made a substitute!
Gardevoir used Will-o-wisp.
Gardevoir's attack missed!
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gardevoir lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gardevoir restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Dragon Dance.
Kingdra's attack was raised.
Kingdra's speed was raised.
Gardevoir used Thunderbolt.
The substitute took damage for Kingdra!
Kingdra's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gardevoir lost 6% of its health.
Gardevoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gardevoir restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Waterfall.
Gardevoir lost 28% of its health.
testosterone's Gardevoir fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
---
testosterone switched in Slowbro (lvl 100 Slowbro ?).
Kingdra used Substitute.
Kingdra lost 25% of its health.
Kingdra made a substitute!
Slowbro used Psychic.
The substitute took damage for Kingdra!
Kingdra's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
Slowbro is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Slowbro lost 6% of its health.
Slowbro's leftovers restored its health a little!
Slowbro restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Outrage.
Kingdra went on a rampage!
Slowbro lost 62% of its health.
Slowbro used Psychic.
Kingdra lost 20% of its health.
DA_Ambipom's Kingdra fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Slowbro is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Slowbro lost 6% of its health.
Slowbro's leftovers restored its health a little!
Slowbro restored 6% of its health.
---
DA_Ambipom switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Slowbro's attack!
testosterone switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Salamence used Dragon Dance.
Salamence's attack was raised.
Salamence's speed was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
DA_Ambipom: its a good thing my normal team is better xD
Starmie used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 94% of its health.
DA_Ambipom's Salamence fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
---
DA_Ambipom switched in Lucario (lvl 100 Lucario ?).
testosterone: monotype has to be scared ****less of HO
DA_Ambipom: lolz
testosterone: lol
DA_Ambipom: ROFL
DA_Ambipom: xD
DA_Ambipom: i agree completely
testosterone switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Lucario used Swords Dance.
Lucario's attack was sharply raised.
The sandstorm rages.
---
Tyranitar used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Lucario lost 100% of its health.
DA_Ambipom's Lucario fainted.
testosterone wins!
DA_Ambipom: god****
testosterone: gg
DA_Ambipom: utterly anti HO
DA_Ambipom: xD
DA_Ambipom: WELL
DA_Ambipom has left the room.
testosterone: that was pretty funny actually
testosterone: LOL
DA_Mew2King has left the room.
testosterone: saved

 

[The Greater Leon]

does trace completely shut down intimidate?

i thought they would both get intimidated

 

[kirbyraeg]

nope, intimidate only works as the pokemon switches in. a pokemon with trace will only be able to trace and use intimidate if the pokemon with intimidate is on the field as the switch happens.

that's why trace porygon2 is generally a solid counter to stuff like 'standard' ddgyara and ddmence as well as stuff like heatran/vappy/jolteon/flygon, but now that mixed sets in general are more common, that doesn't work as well...

ahhh monotype is hard stuff

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Who Wants To Play?

 

[The Greater Leon]

gyarados and gardevoir switched into each other twice
gardevoir was never intimidated

i wish to understand

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

gyarados and gardevoir switched into each other twice
gardevoir was never intimidated

i wish to understand

HAHA.

That was pretty clever.

 

[pockyD]

gyarados and gardevoir switched into each other twice
gardevoir was never intimidated

i wish to understand

gyarados switched in (after KOs), intimidated the pokemon that was already in

gardevoir then switch in, intimidating gyarados

they didn't switch in at the same time - it was one then the other

edit: monotype? i didn't realize tyranitar was psychic

 

[kirbyraeg]

pure mono is dumb

gotta have a wildcard :D

might've just been me, but i thought having a wildcard was standard... >_>

 

[pockyD]

standard for what? it's not a real format

it's whatever you want it to be

and to me, a monotype isn't a monotype unless it's actually one type... otherwise what's the point? you lost your theme

to you, it's almost all one type apparently

 

[kirbyraeg]

i guess...

it just feels that in teambuilding, frankly, having 6 psychic type pokemon leads to some insurmountable roadblocks that WILL exist on a standard team. This might just be crappy teambuilding on my part, but I don't see a reliable way to deal with the numerous threats to psychic type pokemon without one existing outside the type to help deal with it. :/

 

[The Greater Leon]

if you toxic someone, and they switch out, then switch back in, are they regular poisoned or toxic'd still?

iirc one time shoddy cleared them of poison outright which was dumb unless im the dumb one

there was no cleric / shed shell etc.

 

[Zoap]

if they have natural cure or watever then when they switch out there cured, if they dont and they switch out the damage goes down the 6% and starts going up again from there.

Or you could just be Clefable and not take any from Burn or Poison.


Monotype is fun without wildcards, but when wild cards are included it has to be very specific on why they're allowed for each team. AKA Gengar could play on a Dark Mono team because he is evil and such.

And an all psychic team *****.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

And an all psychic team *****.

Explain yourself.

 

[Zoap]

Well the rules of monotype dictate that a team of pokemon must be a certain type, for instance psychic. Well psychic is great because in the psychic category you have things like:

Latios
Metagross
Celebi
Jirachi
Azelf
Bronzong
Galade
Starmie
Cresselia

And so on and so forth, this makes a monotype Psychic team extremely hard to counter as one would say Dark Monotype counters a Psychic Mono team yet most of your notable dark pokemon(Tyranitar, Weavile, Honchkrow) all don't like things like Metagross, Bronzong or Jirachi. Even Bug and Ghost don't like running into those forementioned Pokemon, and have less options against them. So overall for Monotype battling Psychic is one of my favorite types to be restricted to.

I also approve of Water and on occasion Flying.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Well the rules of monotype dictate that a team of pokemon must be a certain type, for instance psychic. Well psychic is great because in the psychic category you have things like:

Latios
Metagross
Celebi
Jirachi
Azelf
Bronzong
Galade
Starmie
Cresselia

And so on and so forth, this makes a monotype Psychic team extremely hard to counter as one would say Dark Monotype counters a Psychic Mono team yet most of your notable dark pokemon(Tyranitar, Weavile, Honchkrow) all don't like things like Metagross, Bronzong or Jirachi. Even Bug and Ghost don't like running into those forementioned Pokemon, and have less options against them. So overall for Monotype battling Psychic is one of my favorite types to be restricted to.

I also approve of Water and on occasion Flying.

That is not mono type.

That is a bunch of psychic hybrids.

Wack.

 

[Zoap]

Miles I really hope your joking, if not:

4 Pure Bugs-Impossible
4 Pure Darks-Impossible
0 Pure Dragons-Really Impossible
12 Pure Electrics-Possible
6 Pure Fightings-Possible
8 Pure Fires-Possible
0 Pure Flyings-Really Impossible
3 Pure Ghosts-Impossible
9 Pure Grass- Possible
7 Pure Grounds-Possible although its really 6 because Groundon is uber.
3 Pure Ices-Try Again
34 Pure Normals- Whoopie a whole lot of fun this will be
5 Poisons-O so close
19 Pure Psychics-Possible but without including Mew and Mewtwo, 4 Deoxys, and Wobbufett and Wynaut. So really its 11.
3 Pure Rocks-Get rocked.
2 Pure Steels- You guys suck.
21 Pure Waters- Possible but really 20 not including Kyogre.

So without hybrids instead of a possible 16 types we are left with a measly 8. And of these 8, 4 have less than 10 pokemon to choose from. What this spells is a stale metagame with no room for growth or competitiveness. Thus Hybrids are and always will be allowed in Monotype battles.

I mean look at the poor flying kids, they're always part normal and would never get to play

 

[pockyD]

0 Pure Dragons-Really Impossible

dratini, dragonair, bagon, shelgon!

anyway my point was that since your opponent wasn't running monotype (by either of our definitions), then obviously your own monotype was your own benefit and interpretation, not governed by any "standards" or "rules"

but i suppose even the elite 4 don't stick to their types

 

[kirbyraeg]

i'm gonna spend a bit of time thinking about that, lol

perhaps a bronzong...that'll probably work best but leave me super weak to heatran

 

[Zoap]

Dratini is only viable in LC and Dragonair in NFE. I don't think I've ever seen a Bagon or Shelgon in either. I only factored in viable pokemon in tiers NU and above. AKA Pikachu was ok since with light ball its pretty good.


Kirb dependent on which your battling, Steel or Fire, if it is the latter then Latias makes a viable Heatran check. As does Starmie and a SpD wall Cress. There are plenty of options in Psychic to counter every other monotype team.

 

[kirbyraeg]

yeah. I'm mainly looking at stuff that ISN'T already on my team to fill the spot.

right now it's metagross/starmie/latias/jirachi/(zong)/slowbro

mainly I want a somewhat reliable way to deal with gengar, so I think zong is the best choice for that. Heatran gets sponged by latias/slowbro but both of those can be eliminated relatively easily.

 

[pockyD]

i think gallade is a decent check to both gengar and heatran

really though, mono psychic is largely begging to have pursuit issues

 

[Zoap]

Slowking, is better at taking special hits not that Slowbro will take much from Fire Blast or Earth Power. Depeding on the type of Gengar, Metagross can really surprise it with Pursuit. Another off the wall counter is Girafarig which is immune to Gengars Shadow Ball, takes Neutral damage from everything but Dark and Bug and is surprisingly not horrible with Base 85 speed and Base 90 SpA. The issue it besides slowing down Gengar I don't know what else it's good at. Gallade with Shadow Sneak does between 69-82% on standard scarf Gengar. Overall though a Bronzong with Psychic does 78.2% - 92% with no EV's invested in SpA (Although it can't be a hindering nature), I'd opt for Heatproof over Levitate as alot of Gengar carry the HP Fire now.

 

[The Greater Leon]

3 Pure Rocks-Get rocked.

 

[pockyD]

i'm shocked that shadow sneak doesn't ohko gengar

 

[lordvaati]

I mean look at the poor flying kids, they're always part normal and would never get to play

well excpet for Arceus in Ubers, but that's just because he's plain wack.

 

[Incronaut]

hey, i play shoddy too, although i'm still a noob. Standard

 

[Zoap]

So this weekend I was bored and playing shoddy/watching youtube vids when I came across the old orange league championship battle. So after watching it and getting a kick out of the ****tieness I pondered the idea of whether I could use Drake's team in OU and actually win. So I set out on building a team. For those who have never seen the 3 episodes and don't know Drakes team here are the six pokemon he uses:

Ditto
Onix
Gengar
Venusaur
Electrabuzz
Dragonite

So as you can see besides Gengar and Dragonite this team blows but I still went ahead and built it anyway. I don't want to get into the sets but if you want to know then PM or IM me. So after like 10 battles surprisingly I had won 6 or 7 and at this point it hit me, people on Shoddy blow.

TL;DR Long story short after an hour of battling in OU with those six pokemon I had won far more than I had lost and I've now decided that I'm going to make a team that will get me ranked in OU. So anyone want to help me with building? As of right now I'm thinking late game Lucario/Dragonite sweep.

 

[JTB]

how the **** do you use ditto and win

 

[pockyD]

i think there's a (glitch) way to hack any pokemon that has transform and give it any moves (by transforming smeargle)

 

[The Greater Leon]

in HG/SS, if ditto transforms into something that knows rage, and KO's that pokemon with rage on the same turn that Ditto's rage is building, ditto permanently keeps that moveset

 

[JTB]

oh not bad

but whats the point of using ditto over the pokemon with that moveset, just to trick them?

 

[pockyD]

ditto can use quick and metal powder
smeargle can't
mew is banned

 

[The Greater Leon]

drake had a ditto

hes using drake's team for ****s

thats about the only reason to use ditto