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Same with other spamming other techniques and going up against characters you see everywhere: you learn how to counter them, given enough dedication, of course.The more you play, the less trouble you will have with this i'm sure
It's not that shielding and dodging are unfair, but spamming them is incredibly effective at a lower level of play. Once you've gotten the hang of predicting and punishing someone just doing the same thing over and over, you'll destroy these players every time.
You aren't going to ever be anything at this game with that kind of perception.
That's not true at all... Playing defensively is really difficult...
High level defense. Playing defense against lower-level players is substantially easier. They don't read and predict as well as those who do tournaments all the time and hone their skills there.
I was wondering how long it would be until you showed up. But I doubt you'll get anywhere without better reasoning, advice, and/or fact presentation. Just telling something to someone without anything to back it up is like putting a lion in a cage with a donkey and thinking the donkey is going to heat the lion; it just will not work.
I'm baffled at how anyone could call shielding and dodging cheap. Now I've seen it all.
"Ban people for blocking my spam Samurai!!!"
I have no intention of "getting anywhere", so really how you perceive the effective value of what I said is irrelevant, I'm just stating how I feel about his viewpoint. I didn't post to change hearts and minds, because coincidentally I feel most rational people are likely to agree with me anyhow.
Why do people keep saying it's a defensive game? What do you define as defensive? Camping, sitting in shield, or spamming rolls? Those are all punishable one way or another, and sometimes online makes them harder to punish, but it's the players choice to play online and adapt to input lag no matter how much. From my experience, however, I feel Sm4sh's online has made a significant improvement, and I only occasionally have bad but tolerable input lag.
From my experience, ping is actually fixed once you enter a match. Correct me if I am wrong, but I've had matches where I had a great connection, then one match, horrible input lag, but it never ceased, and seemed to be, if not consistent, roughly the same amount of input lag throughout the match. Then, next match (same person) it's gone.
People who don't play this game, or who solely view offense as the valid strategy, or who come around on a second account to repeat the same unsupported message over and over, or who are predictable and easily read. Those are the ones who think the game is defensive. It's defensive because defending is a worthwhile option at all.
Offensive play isn't rewarded as much as defensive play and tons of people have explained why the game is defensive. Believe what you want.
Only in online matches. Its because the input lag negates offensive counters. Quit playing online and look to your local community to get the most out of the game. Also, figure out which aerial attacks of your main have reduced landing lag to combo from, that will help. But seriously, just dont play online.
Where have "tons of people" explained why the game is defensive? The people in this thread? The OP? The OP especially isn't a valid source, neither do I know the skill level of any of the players in this thread. Maybe these players don't know how to approach properly? Maybe they don't know what to do in every situation?
I'm inclined to agree but at the same time there's nothing stopping you from suiciding twice and re-queuing to get someone else, which makes this complaint rather...pointless. You can also furthermore choose to block that player to ensure you never get matched up with them again.
Can't you get banned for excessive suicide, though? And suiciding twice deliberatly would be bad sportsmanship, and dishonorable if honor existed in the game, would it not?
If the match has terrible input lag, I'll forfeit the match. If I leave I'll face a 10 minute or more, ban. I don't want that, so I'm going to SD my stocks to forfeit the match. I don't care about my win ratio.
I pretty much SD every time I get matched against a player where I have to deal with input lag, I can't stand it and will not train myself to play under it. Since USA had the game much earlier than Japan you could say I got matched with a lot of folks where I experienced input lag, and I didn't think twice about suiciding. I haven't been banned yet. That's not very solid evidence of it not having any potential to ban you but that's my experience. Thankfully the game released in Japan so I need to do it less frequently.
I was talking about going up against spammers/matchups you hate and SDing twice deliberately. I mean, the ratio doesn't matter, but don't people want to better themselves at the game? Input lag, I can understand. Part of the journey is learning how to deal with bad matchups and spam, so why refuse the opportunity to benefit yourself and your opponent?
Well, that's their choice. If they don't want to play it, then don't, but then they start complaining about spammers, in which, spamming does not aid the player at all, as if it's some cheap tactic.If they really want to do something about this, they need to improve, and they won't by complaining about spammers.
I don't personally SD against a player simply for their play style, no matter what it is. This is why I entered the thread saying that a mindset bent on believing any one kind of play style is cheating or terrible simply because you lose to it or find it it annoying will not get you to improve, ever.
You don't get it. Some people ONLY play defensively.
Reminds me of what'd we tell noobs in Kid Icarus: Can't dodge and shoot at the same time.
God forbid people use defensive technique to not get hit.
It's an integral part of the game. Shields, rolls, and dodges keep the players attentive to tactics.
