Sheik vs. Peach !!

[Teba]

I want some information of this match-up! So here where I need some back-up:

1) Stages: what stages I should pick-up against Peach? And what stages are in other hand in favour to Peach? And why some stage is good against Peach and what is not good against Peach?

2) Moves: Because Peach is a floater what moves I should use against her and what moves not? And what Peach's moves I should always watch out and try to prevent to get attacked by them? Well of course it would be best that any attack isn't going to hit by me, but what moves expecially?

So here are some things I want to know. And because I'm from Finland, I play PAL version.

~ Greets from Finland! Teba

 

[gm jack]

Personally, I don't find stages influence this match up too much, so I tent to pick stages that aren't for peach's favour, so no DL64. This is mostly because we don't have easy kill moves from a grab, so letting peach live for ages is a pretty bad idea.

As for the PAL match up, I tend to spend most of it running away spacing Bair and Fair. Don't try and combo too much, as peach's nair is a ridiculous combo breaker. From grabs, you can't really combo her, so try and use them for positional advantages like putting the peach in the air.

Spacing is key, or else a CC or shield will lead to ****. Also, if you see a float cancelled aerial coming at you, don't try and shield it, as you will get either grabbed or Dsmash => shield poked for it.

It's not a great match up, so just abuse the range of Bair and Fair's general brokenness, but more Bair for the safety of its range.

 

[Teba]

Ok... I just thought that are stages like YS or BF good against Peach, but if it doesn't matter, it doesn't. Then I just try to avoid large stages like DL64 or Kongo Jungle N64 or something like those.

I try to avoid Peach's CC or shielding because I usually get ***** by D-Smash after them.

By the way.. Is Nair good against Peach??

 

[gm jack]

I find it's pretty percent dependent. If you get a weak hit at low percent, her floatiness will probably allow her to just nair you in return. On the other hand, the strong hit is really quick, and so it can be used as a combo breaker or to stop a fair coming out etc, so it isn't completely useless.

I just find it doesn't have enough range to be really useful, as peach has some seriously broken hitboxes.

 

[Banks]

Well for me, bf and yoshi's are fine if you don't jump onto platforms when peach is on them and get dsmashed. other than that the platforms work in sheiks favor if you work them right

FD is fine too, just don't crouch cancel dsmash and go for obvious grabs and get punished. Also without platforms to sorta mixup recovery you can be punished easier, but learn to CC the dsmash so it sends you back on/get good at ledgeteching/be tricky and you should be fine

DL64 sucks, brinstar sucks, kongo jungle makes for the longest game ever, mute city really sucks altho it isn't usually legal anymore. pokemon stadium is a pain in the butt if you get caught in the transformations in a pit of dsmash but meh

also grabs are most important at low percents because of CC ****, but he already said that^

and try to get a feel for how quickly peach can nair in certain situations so you don't go into it trying to combo

sex kick thru turnips, or catch them

sheik ***** peach combo wise once she can't CC everything, but make sure you uair instead of fair when applicable because it kills faster

[not sure how good/new you are so you might know all this]

[but you play PAL so dthrow sucks, i can't speak on that]

 

[gm jack]

Uair also sucks in PAL, so Fair and Bair kill earlier unless you catch them really high up on a low ceiling stage.

 

[Banks]

oh, well then

i didn't even know that....

and plus you can't dthrow -> uair anyway

 

[Puppet_Master]

Any advice for edge guarding peach? I can usually pull off an uair when she goes high. But when peach recovers below the stage I try to resort to needles. I hit her a few times but she can usually keep up-b ing til she eventually grabs the edge.

 

[dilling]

I know this is going to sound really dumb, but can the chain ever be considered a viable option vs. a campy peach? I figure if she's just going to CC everything and throw turnips and SH nair, the chain would take care of all of those things. I just had it as an idea and thought I'd put it to you guys.

 

[Nihonjin]

I love dreamland against Peach *don't listen to me*.

 

[Teba]

I love dreamland against Peach *don't listen to me*.

I have same problem. I like to play in Dreamland against Peach but that stage is quite good to Peach so I shouldn't play it..

 

[Nihonjin]

You *should* play it if you know how.

Sure, she survives a little longer, but she can't corner Sheik there. You can basically dance around her all match. It's the only stage in PAL I beat Armada on (heck I was 1 fair away from 4 stocking him..twice..).

I know this is going to sound really dumb, but can the chain ever be considered a viable option vs. a campy peach? I figure if she's just going to CC everything and throw turnips and SH nair, the chain would take care of all of those things. I just had it as an idea and thought I'd put it to you guys.

If by viable you mean suicidal, then yes.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

Any advice for edge guarding peach? I can usually pull off an uair when she goes high. But when peach recovers below the stage I try to resort to needles. I hit her a few times but she can usually keep up-b ing til she eventually grabs the edge.

Can needling speed ever be as fast as peach's up-b speed??

 

[Zodiac]

Dunno to much about this, played a peach the other day in friendlies at a tournament. I didnt really need to do anything but stay from her dsmash on ground, and not approach her on a platform from below cause she just dsmashes that to, once i got how to get around the dsmash it wasnt all that hard.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

I also heard/think that its a good idea to needle once, hoping for the gimp, THEN get to the ledge before peach to have ledge control. You can spam bairs, nair, or just force her to recover onto the stage and chase....

 

[The_Doug]

Sheiks with a solid defensive (bordering campy) game should counterpick DK64, Dreamland, or even Rainbow Cruise against her. Back in the old days of smash Sastopher and I had a lot of games, usually friendlies, where we would literally play games of "catch the turnip", or "slap the needle" (in his case).

Aggressive and very technical Sheiks (not me) can usually do pretty well on Battlefield I find mainly because of the needle games around those side platforms. Youtube "Reno Sheik". Also Peach is one of those poor characters who seems cursed in not grabbing the Battlefield ledges.

Most Peach players are good at and love to spot dodge. Bait it, punish it.

If I could only choose a single move to use against her it would be Sheik's B-air. It just seems to gravitate towards her and hit her easily because of the disjointed hit box. Obviously don't just use one move though. Try to mix it up and keep her guessing what moves you are going to throw out.

PAL Version only: I know on this version Sheik at very low percents can grab, down-throw, dash attack cancel re-grab. This of course assumes the Peach always DI's away from Sheik. And again at certain percents Sheik can d-throw to dash attack. Eventually though Peach can start using a n-air to hit you first out of your dash attack at which point you can dash towards her and shield, bait the n-air, and then counter with another grab, jump attack out of shield, or even up-smash out of shield. If you get the timing really well and start frustrating Peach with these down-throws she may even eventually switch up her DI on the grabs and then you can hit her with a solid f-air or n-air directly out of a grab.

 

[Kill The Beast]

PAL Version only: I know on this version Sheik at very low percents can grab, down-throw, dash attack cancel re-grab. This of course assumes the Peach always DI's away from Sheik. And again at certain percents Sheik can d-throw to dash attack. Eventually though Peach can start using a n-air to hit you first out of your dash attack at which point you can dash towards her and shield, bait the n-air, and then counter with another grab, jump attack out of shield, or even up-smash out of shield. If you get the timing really well and start frustrating Peach with these down-throws she may even eventually switch up her DI on the grabs and then you can hit her with a solid f-air or n-air directly out of a grab.

thats not quite true.
she can DI out at all %'s. what you have to do is watch and see their DI direction then do the appropriate followup.

you have to put yourself in a good position so that she can not pressure you & so that you are a threat for her. you also need to make sure your not trying to combo her with none true combos or ending up close to her after a combo.

I hate this match up in PAL (and ntsc but its miles better)