Sheik vs. Captain Falcon's/Ganondorf's Up+B

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

Hey Everybody,

I've been practicing with Sheik against bots (yesterday I could barely fight Lvl 4s, now I'm winning consistently vs. Lvl 8s), and I've been having a lot of frustration with CF and Ganon, in particular their Up+B, the weird homing-magnet-hug-explosion move. Half of the times I approach, in the air or on the ground, they just use that move - sometimes two or three times in a row when I try to recover the wrong way - and it seems to auto-attach to me and deal annoying amounts of damage.

When I play with my friends (keep in mind that I'm mostly a casual smasher, though recently I've been practicing a lot more seriously), they don't use that move nearly as often, and I don't think they could time it as perfectly anyways, but I'd still like to know what the best method of avoiding getting hit by that move is.

Also: I don't really know much about the skill-level of this community over all, but I don't want to hear any crap about how I suck because I can't 4-stock lvl 9 bots. Their freaking timing is literally perfect. Not even M2K is that spot-on 100% of the time. He's not actually a computer.

Anyways, thanks to anyone who helps out. I appreciate it.

 

[See Biscuit]

I'm not at my GameCube so I can't check priority, but I would guess that nair or dair might be able to cancel it out. Either that or try to air dodge out of the way. I'll try and check when I can. But I wouldn't advise basing skill on your ability to four stock level 9s. They read your move before the frames begin, and therefore they have better timing than humanly possible.

 

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

I'm not at my GameCube so I can't check priority, but I would guess that nair or dair might be able to cancel it out. Either that or try to air dodge out of the way. I'll try and check when I can.

Thanks! A well-timed nair will do it, but it's difficult to react that fast. The damn move looks a lot like a normal jump, and then suddenly you're in a friendly bear-hug of destruction.

But I wouldn't advise basing skill on your ability to four stock level 9s. They read your move before the frames begin, and therefore they have better timing than humanly possible.

Yeah, I was exaggerating that a bit, but I've seen some guys get called noobs and such for asking "dumb" questions. I'm brand new here, so I don't know how good people are in general relative to me. I'm guessing I'm pretty low in the ranks, but I'm not sure.

 

[KirbyKaze]

The purple part of the image is where the grab hitbox on the up-B is located.

Aim at their heads when they're going up, or wait until they begin spinning (there's nothing to get hit by once they reach the top of their up-B) and then hit them. Those moves have a lot of endlag too if they land onstage with them, so you can use that too.

 

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

That is certainly helpful. I'm finding that if I just shield and dodge more often when I approach I can avoid a far larger percentage of them. This also helps for grabbing when they miss. Thanks for the tips!

 

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

On a similar note, is there any way to avoid Captain Falcon's Fthrow-->F+B combo after you've been thrown?

 

[KP17]

you can move out of the way after fthrow and before sideb. for a casual player i recommend immediately rolling behind them. if you work on your timing you can hit falcon out of side b with ftilt or dtilt (or dsmash, but I believe it is a tad slower than the tilts). if you are at a high enough percent where fthrow will knock you down, work on teching away.

 

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

Teching might work. But it seems like his throw usually makes me flop on the ground, and his side be gets there before I can get up.

 

[KP17]

any instance you flop on the ground, you could have teched

 

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

Yeah, I need to practice teching some more. Can't always get the timing just right when I'm fairly close to the ground. Thanks!

 

[KirbyKaze]

Within 1/3 of a second before touching a surface, press R or L (all the way down) to tech. You can't tech 2/3s of a second after pressing R or L this way though, so if you mash then you won't get it.

 

[tauKhan]

I believe that you can't input tech while in hitlag, but pressing L/R will still make you miss the tech. This makes teching ganon's up b a bit harder, as it puts you in hitlag before he throws you. Somebody please correct me if im wrong.

 

[WHA?]

Quick question

is falcons up throw to knee ever on sheik guaranteed? if so what percents, if not whats the DI options