Data Sheik Hitboxes and Frame Data

[bubbaking]

I didn't know D smash didn't hit behind her on the first hit box.

The price we pay for invincibility on our legs.....

 

[tuPh-wUn]

The Jab gifs are backwards. The image for Jab2 is actually Jab1 and vice versa

 

[TheQuasiZillionaire]

This is cool. I've never really looked at frame data before, but I can definitely see the use.

 

[Kimimaru]

This should be stickied; I had some trouble finding it.

 

[MistFist]

that fair! that nair as well!

 

[metroid1117]

Kinda random, but could this be stickied? It's incredibly useful as a reference and it's sad that it doesn't show up at the top. /bump

 

[BO/\K]

It's in the directory post that is stickied. But every other board has a stickied frame data thread so why not sheik?

 

[Drephen]

Where the hell did SuperDoodleMan go?

 

[Oddyesy]

Hey guys. Would just like to stop by and say thanks for this . I'm in the middle of updating Liquipedia, and this helps me out more than you could ever know. Cheers! :D

 

[JediLink]

Why isn't this stickied?

EDIT: Just reiterating the point, heh. Mods pls

 

[Meru]

For Sheik's Up-b, when is the earliest frame that she can grab ledge after the move's attack frames?

 

[DJLO]

Freakin awesome xD

*sticky*

needs to be re stickied

 

[Teczer0]

needs to be re stickied

Done, thanks for letting me know

 

[dude it's raining]

Is there a sweetspot on sheik's Uair, or does it just have high KB growth or something?

EDIT: Another q, does Needle Canceling (landing lag) induce just the normal 4 frames land lag, or completely eliminate any land lag? In other words, is it like float canceling, or is it like No-Impact Landing?

EDIT2: Gosh, I wish I had dolphin OR my own wii for pm debug. I DL'd a gif of it and checked, needle cancel gives 4 frames land lag.

 

[Scroll]

I wish all of these would be reuploaded to Gfycat so we could pause and frame advance
And that the playback would be real time

 

[DJLO]

I wish all of these would be reuploaded to Gfycat so we could pause and frame advance
And that the playback would be real time

http://8wayrun.com/attachments/local-celebrity-the-power-is-yours-mens-t-shirt-3-jpg.15845/

 

[Scroll]

http://8wayrun.com/attachments/local-celebrity-the-power-is-yours-mens-t-shirt-3-jpg.15845/

you want me to make them?

 

[Shrug]

Here's the OP with all of the gifs converted to gfycats

Credit for frame data goes to SuperDoodleMan.
The raw images were obtained from Stratocaster.
I made the gifs and compiled this thread.

Let me know if anything looks incorrect and I'll do my best to update/fix it.


Jab

Total: 17
Hit: 2-3
IASA: 16
Window for second jab: 3-25
Second slice begins: 10 (or later)

Jab 2

Total: 18
Hit: 3-5
IASA: 17
Window for jabs: 2-18
Rapid Jabs start: 10

Jab Rapid

Total: 55
Hit: 3-4, 7-8, etc.
IASA: Unknown
Jabs start: 10

Forward Tilt

Total: 29
Hit: 5-10
IASA: 27

Down Tilt

Total: 29
Hit: 5-8
IASA: 28

Up Tilt

Total: 33
Hit: 5-10, 19-24
IASA: 26

Forward Smash

Total: 50
Hit: 12, 27-29
Charge frame: 5
IASA: 46

Up Smash

Total: 47
Hit: 12, 14-16
Charge frame: 10
Head and forearms invincible: 12-16
IASA: 40

Down Smash

Total: 49
Hit: 5-9, 16-19, 22-24
Charge frame: 2
Legs invincible: 5
IASA: 46

Dash Attack

Total: 37
Hit: 6-12
IASA: 36

Neutral Aerial

Total: 48
Hit: 3-30
IASA: 42
Auto cancel: <2, >31
Landlag: 16
L canceled: 8

Up Aerial

Total: 39
Hit: 5-20
IASA: 37
Auto cancel: <4, >30
Landlag: 24
L canceled: 12

Back Aerial

Total: 37
Hit: 4-19
Auto cancel: <3, >25
Landlag: 16
L canceled: 8

Down Aerial

Total: 48
Hit: 15-33
Auto cancel: <2
Landlag: 20
L canceled: 10

Forward Air

Total: 33
Hit: 5-7
Auto cancel: <4, >11
Landlag: 16
L canceled: 8

Grab

Total: 30
Grab: 7-8

Running Grab

Total: 40
Grab: 8-9

Neutral B Charged

Holding 1st needle: 8
Set that frame as 1.
Another needle at 19
Set that as 1 (etc)
Releasing B at frame 1 counts with
new needle.

When you release B…
Needles released at 4, 7, 10, 13, 16,
19
Total: 40

Neutral B Aerial

Needles released at 11, 14, 17, 20,
23, 26
Auto cancels upon landing
Last frame: 39

Needles last 30 frames

Forward B

Comes out on 22
Fully extended at 34
Earliest retraction starts on 44

Upon B release…
Pullin hurt: 19-31 (sooner if
swingin)
Last frame: 41

Down B

Total: 62
Invulnerable: 27-36
First frame of Zelda: 37

(Zelda's Transform is not the same)

Up B

Total: 94
Hit: 36-42
Invincible: 18-55
The frame of choosing direction: 35
Landlag: 30
Landfallspeciallag: 4

Air Dodge

Invulnerable 4-29 out of 49

Spot Dodge

Invulnerable 2-15 out of 22

Roll Forward

Roll Back

Invulnerable 4-19 out of 31


Miscellaneous things with no images

Taunt

Total: 100
Hmm!: 23

Jump

Airborne on frame 4

Air time: 50
Earliest FF: 26
FF air time: 37

SH air time: 38
Earliest FF: 20
SH FF air time: 27

2nd jump earliest FF: 27

Ledge stand <100%

Total: 34
Invincible: 1-30

Ledge stand >100%

Total: 59
Invincible: 1-55

Ledge roll <100%

Total: 49
Invincible: 1-39

Ledge roll >100%

Total: 79
Invincible: 1-71

Ledge attack <100%

Total: 54
Invulnerable: 1-21
Hit: 25-34

Ledge attack >100%

Total: 69
Invulnerable: 1-53
Hit: 57-59

Ledge jump <100%

Total: 57
Invulnerable: 1-14
Soonest FF: 40

Ledge jump >100%

Total: 57
Invincible: 1-19
Soonest FF: 45

Landing lag: 4

Dash becomes run at frame 8

Turn-jump Threshold: 21

Run turnaround: 21

 

[Scroll]

awesome! too bad they aren't real time

 

[Scroll]

We should add non stale damage for strong and weak hitboxes as well as shield stun and trajectories, and update the OP
@ Massive

 

[lethallooks]

I hate when new players only use sheik and only does foward tilt + fair

 

[Spoo]

The back air is so disjointed

 

[Lykon]

PLS the animations for miss tech, tech in place, tech roll, regular stand up, getup attack, and roll are mising
As a falcon main i need to study this animations for tech chasing
thanks

 

[LoneCubone]

Just noticed that based on this frame data if you didn't fast fall fair you could actually waveland it since there is time in the air where the move is completely over.

 

[Scroll]

Yea, you can also FJ Fair WL on platforms on say Battlefield

 

[saintsfighter]

the forward air hitbox

 

[Captain Phobos]

This is beautiful....

 

[two_knocks]

is there gif for aerial up-b? Recently I've been finding cases where I can grab the ledge backwards in the first part and want to see where her hands are

 

[maxono1]

the gifs died :'(

 

[aujory]

sick frame deta now im god at elee