SHAD+Shine=invulnerability?

[Ceruvik]

I was just messing around with SHFFAD (pretty much using ad's invincibility frames while landing) and thought I might throw in a shine(before landing) and I thought about how i hate using shine in free-for-all because it leaves you vulnerable. Does this work?
Quick Note: Try SHing and then toadstool jumping then AD shine/Dair works pretty well for mindgames right?

 

[Icantlos]

I guess I don't quite get what you're trying to do. How are you going to aerial dodge if you are shining and vice versa?

 

[NoVaLombardia]

I think hes talking about using the buffer system and the frames of invincibility on the aerial dodge, via SHAD'ing, you can be invincible from the front, since falco's shine has no start up lag.

Example...

say frames 1-5 are you have invincibility frames from your air dodge and on frame 6 you land on the ground. Through the automatic buffer system, you already had input your over-B to throw out falco's shine, so frame 6, you are attacking. Frame 5 = invincible. Frame 6 = attacking.

The only test to prove this is to prove that Falco's shine has no start up lag frames.

 

[Ceruvik]

So the invincible frames won't stay until after the shine happens? btw it's hard to pull off using SH reg hop is easier. When i say vulnerable I mean the time when you throw the reflector.

 

[Zenonfury]

I suppose someone who counts frames can find the answer for sure haha..ill have to try this tho..

 

[NoVaLombardia]

So the invincible frames won't stay until after the shine happens? btw it's hard to pull off using SH reg hop is easier. When i say vulnerable I mean the time when you throw the reflector.

No, you are not invincible during the shine, but since you are attacking, your offensive attack is a pseudo-defense. It's a fail-safe attack, or so i think it is, until someone shows there is actual start up lag on falco's shine.

 

[Fluke]

Someone can still get you from behind when the shine comes out in Free for all?

And take note of the dead zone of the shine. You can't AD RIGHT on/next do him and shine, or else you end up missing him - very very punishable.

 

[iredecent]

i still don't get the point of the shine before the air dodge, and i didn't think it was possible honestly. i mmean the shine shoots out fast but its return is lagged by him catching it right? so how do get in the shine and the air dodge in only SH?

 

[Blad01]

I don't think that's useful... :/

- Shine has few frames at the beginning that the opponent can use to attack you or grab you.
- Shine has a dead zone...

 

[Doval]

say frames 1-5 are you have invincibility frames from your air dodge and on frame 6 you land on the ground. Through the automatic buffer system, you already had input your over-B to throw out falco's shine, so frame 6, you are attacking. Frame 5 = invincible. Frame 6 = attacking.

This fails because you'll always have a few frames of landing lag during which you can do nothing. Same applies to shielding; shields activate in 1 frame, but if you try to land with an air dodge and then shield, you're still vulnerable for a few frames in between.

Falco's shine doesn't have instant start-up either.