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Selecting the Right PM Version for Upcoming Tournament

What version of Project M should we run the day after 3.5's release?

  • Project M 3.5

    Votes: 24 68.6%
  • Project M 3.02

    Votes: 11 31.4%

  • Total voters
    35

Dragoomba

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I figured this belongs here rather than Tournament Discussion, because this is really specific to the nature of Project M and its updates, and I would really appreciate input from avid Project M players and community leaders.

I'm from the Idaho Smash community, and we're having our first big regional; Gem State Rumble. We have presence from Utah, Washington, and Oregon coming up to our state. This is going to be a 2-day tournament that features Melee and Project M as its main games. Although Melee will have a good showing, Project M will be the main event as that's our state's primary game, and most of the out of state players are attending primarily for Project M.

As you know, Project M had a surprise release date of November 14th. Now, in any other situation, Project M 3.5 would be the obvious choice, however, coincidentally Gem State Rumble is being held on the 15th to the 16th of November. So this gives us two options.

  1. Run Project M 3.5 - With this we have a chance of getting publicity by being among the very first regional tournaments to run 3.5. This also would prove to be a good tournament from the viewers standpoint, as it'd display the first high level Project M 3.5 matches in a tournament setting, showing off many of the new changes in a practical environment. With this said, it would also be good publicity for Project M. However, this means that the competitors have literally less than a day to practice and get a feel for the new game. There are players traveling out of state to this event, for them to make the distance to play a major update they've never touched would be questionable, and might damage the authenticity of the tournament.
  2. Run Project M 3.02 - With this, we have a game everybody is comfortable in - the game everybody who registered for this tournament originally intended to compete in. As the previous option is optimal for a viewer and casual standpoint, this option sits well with the small minority of players that have a shot to actually win a good amount of money from this tournament. Secondly, no disrespect to the Project M playtesting crew, but we all know 3.02 is a stable release, there's no saying that 3.5 won't have any sort of obscure bugs that would unfairly determine a match's outcome or even hold up the tournament (remember, 3.0 had a couple of patches before it was truly stable). The cons to this, of course, would be missing out on a big opportunity of being among the first regional tournaments to run 3.5 along with giving the new meta a head-start (and the potential publicity that would come from it considering our scene, although strong, is still relatively unknown), and some believe it would just be less exciting running a tournament for the same game when an updated version is accessible to everyone.
Right now, we're currently deciding on running 3.5, but there are a couple of vocal minorities that are asking for 3.02 due to the lack of time to prepare. Any suggestions?
 

Comeback Kid

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If you don't have the time for a side tourney another suggestion would be, if you have the extra set ups, have a 3.5 station or two available where matches can be held if both players agree to it and money matches can be recorded as well.

Then nobody feels like they are being screwed by not being prepared and hype 3.5 matches can be shown to the community too.
 

Shell

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My advice would be to stick to 3.02 for your tourney and then have some 3.5 friendly stations, as others have mentioned.
 

ShadowGanon

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My advice would be to stick to 3.02 for your tourney and then have some 3.5 friendly stations, as others have mentioned.
Yeah. I agree with Shell. Most people wouldn't be able to get enough practice in before the tournament if you were to switch to 3.5 just a few days before. Not to mention the fact that the download servers for 3.5 will probably fluctuate between crashing and functioning making it hard for both you to get it for the tourney and the participants to get it to practice before.

If you do end up going with 3.02, be sure to have a special free-for-all side event where the only move available is the Warlock Punch and is played solely on Yoshi's Story.
 
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Johnknight1

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Run 3.02, but have a few 3.5 setups, and let everyone know that at future events 3.5 is what everyone is gonna stick with.

Maybe alternatively you could have 3.5 as a side event.
 

Dragoomba

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We've decided to run 3.02, but have dedicated 3.5 setups as well. We might replace Smash 3DS with a 3.5 side event as well.

Thanks everyone for the constructive responses. :)
 

Fortress

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Always run the latest version. For veterans, it won't be too drastic of a switch, and for newcomers they won't have too much to worry about for transitioning. A Fox main of eight years probably isn't going to be losing to the Squirtle main of four weeks even if the change was as drastic and unrealistic as their shine being taken away.

For another example, turn to Street Fighter, and more-specifically the most recent SFIV series. The minute Ultra dropped, that's the version that was used. You can't go wrong with the latest update.
 

Draco_The

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Always run the latest version. For veterans, it won't be too drastic of a switch, and for newcomers they won't have too much to worry about for transitioning. A Fox main of eight years probably isn't going to be losing to the Squirtle main of four weeks even if the change was as drastic and unrealistic as their shine being taken away.

For another example, turn to Street Fighter, and more-specifically the most recent SFIV series. The minute Ultra dropped, that's the version that was used. You can't go wrong with the latest update.
Nope, nope, nope aaaaand nope. 3.5 does have drastic changes for some characters (so far, Ganondorf and Zelda), and the recoveries and even the ledge mechanics were changed a lot. You just can't expect anyone to adapt to a new version in just 1 fu**ing day.

Also, with Ultra people had enough time to play with the location tests and whatnot to get an idea about how Red Focus and all that crap would affect the game before EVO2k14 and get a taste of the new characters. You just can't be serious when comparing both things.
 

Fortress

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Hey, I am serious, no need to get hostile about it. It's your tournament, so you run it the way you'd like to.
 

Draco_The

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Hey, I am serious, no need to get hostile about it. It's your tournament, so you run it the way you'd like to.
Sorry if my comment offended you.

Anyway, the OP already got the feedback he wanted and has already decided what to do with P:M, so there's really no point in discussing this any further.
 
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