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Sakurai does not want Smash to be a competitive franchise

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KiddyDong

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Aryman said:
Obviously, it is impossible for it to be both a party game and a fighting game. Your logic is iinfallible.

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The fact is, this is intended as a PARTY game, not a competitve uptight restricted fighting game. You can only call it a fighting game when you take out everything that makes it a party game...you know, the smash balls, items, various stages that will screw with you out of nowhere.
 
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Aryman said:
Obviously, it is impossible for it to be both a party game and a fighting game. Your logic is iinfallible.

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I believe this is an appropriate post to respond to as one of my first posts. (as a little aside, while GameFAQs might say this website is the best for SSB discussion, I have found it take a little while to load any interesting pages. Is this normal?)

While I don't have any qualms about people wishing to enjoy a game how they please, I feel I must point out the fact that, although it is possible to be both a party game and a fighting game, there is a large difference between an intention and a possibility.

Sakurai, who makes wonderful games so much so that I would trust him far more than Sonic Team for this new Sonic Unleashed coming out, said he envisioned brawl as a party game, or rather to be more blunt, that it IS a party game meant to be enjoyed in a free for all madness.

So, although there's no problems with people wishing for a more competitive playstyle which can test skill -- believe me I know how much more fun it is when a game is evenly matched, it just seems to me that if you have to strip 50-70% of a game to get it to the point where it's "competitive" that the point in making it so in the first place is lost and the fun competition is replaced with a far more perverse, forboding X-box live esque hardcore competition.
 
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DTKPch

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Seriously, kloud, bladeofkey, STFU and GTFO this SWF...

If you're going to troll, at least try to troll well. You're failing at failing...
 
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TRE1 said:
I'm just saying, with the amount of time (delays) they had to work with, you'd think they'd be able to make a game where such large masses of people are in one way or another disappointed for whatever reason.
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so "competitive players" were disappointed at a party game.

I, too was disappointed at FFXII (that's how you saw 12, rite?) for not being a porn.

an extreme example, but you get it, I'm sure. Play how you want, but dont get surprised when it isnt what you wanted it to be.
 
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rubiksfriend said:
Katanas, you sir, are an id10t. Unintended consequences of the developers are not glitches. They are not malfunctions, just results. Quit tarding out.
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I'm quoting this so you can't edit it and pretend you didn't you say something so unbelievably stupid.
 
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rigapeen

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theres more proof that my post (should be on the first page still) remains true. good find awesome.

seriously, Sakurai does not know what hes talking about! SWF members you are all hurting yourself by listening to this guy. Whether you like brawl or hate it, Sakurai should not bias you
 
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Shakezoola

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payasofobia said:
started good, then became obvius, next time try not to take lots of people to troll at the same time, it takes away credibility
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I mean, I joined in because of the thread

but I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS

I've always been of the mindset that "Play however you want, but don't ***** and expect it to be the game you (smashboards) want it to be. It's purpose is a party game, that's all.

and quit it with the scrub ****."
 
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LavisFiend said:
Few points of interest.

-Smash is a party game, not a traditional fighting game, no matter how hard you make it to be something it is not.

-It will never match the technical prowess like that of Guilty Gear or Street Fighter.

-Sakurai has a different definition of competitive, as do you guys. His definition means just a fight between two people and the drive to win the match. You guys dwell on a completely different definition that shares that philosphy, but adds to it. That is not Sakurai's definition, and he will not change it to match the communities.

-To the few of you who call Sakurai "thick headed"-What a real douchebag thing to say. It is like you blame him for everything when it was you all along who tampered with his vision. Truth be told, the only thick headed people around here are the ones judging the guy for creating the game he always wanted to create. Go ahead and say what you want to in petty defense, it doesen't matter because you are not the victim in this scenario. Spare us your angst and swallow the bitter pill that is truth and realize who the real bad guy is.

-Sakurai wants typical one-dimensional competitive play. He doesen't want a tech heavy game because that creates unneccesary complications with his game and he strives for simplicity. It makes gaps so large that certain players have no chance in hell with standing up to a tech heavy player if their knowledge about it is completely hear-say. Instead of having those bridges, he decided to whittle out all those things and leave a bare metagame. Learn to accept it or continue to wallow in despair.

-Once a person's mind is made up, there is hardly anything to sway it. This alone will kill over 45% of the competitive brawl players already. Instead of working through the apparent limitations, they opt to just say "**** it," and go back to playing Melee. If you ask me, what will really kill the competitive scene for Brawl is disinterest at trying to better the competitive aspects of the game.
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Beautiful post.
 
Horselover

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lolololololol

Wavedashing isn't a glitch, it's just an unintended use of the physics engine. Sorry, try again.
 
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Aryman said:
We already established the fact that you are a troll from 4chan. Please go be an attention wh0re somewhere else.
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4what???
Maybe I should check that site. Thanks anyway.
Going back to my point: stop arguing about Brawl being a party game or not. Sakurai already said that Brawl is a party game and who better than the game developer itself to clarify that point!
And about all the glitches... I like to play Mario Kart DS and abuse the Snaking glitch, but each time I play with my friends, we agree to use Snaking or not because everybody knows that Snaking is an unintended glitch and not part of the game or "results". I dont give a **** if you abuse Dashdancing or whatever the f*** you call it, but dont try to deny the fact that you're abusing of unintended side effects of the game mechanics coding.
 
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Horselover said:
lolololololol

Wavedashing isn't a glitch, it's just an unintended use of the physics engine. Sorry, try again.
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I fail to see what you're trying to prove here. You may have contradicted yourself, and in the process opened a wormhole to the 6th dimension.
Juuuuuust wanted to make sure you were aware of what you did.
 
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Kohr

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Aryman said:
I'm not new to this, you can stop trying. Nothing's worse than a troll who doesn't know when to give up.
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So a troll is someone who points out the bitter* truth.


*Only bitter to tourneywanks. Either adapt, or shut up. GG

Goddess ****, you're one butthurt dude.
 
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Hey hey, the ol' reliable Wikipedia to the rescue!
"In video games, a glitch is a term used by players to indicate a programming error which results in behavior not intended by the programmers....
The practice of exploiting glitches in video games is known as "glitching". In some people's eyes, it is a negative thing...."
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Kohr

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Attractive Penguin said:
Hey hey, the ol' reliable Wikipedia to the rescue!
"In video games, a glitch is a term used by players to indicate a programming error which results in behavior not intended by the programmers....
The practice of exploiting glitches in video games is known as "glitching". In some people's eyes, it is a negative thing...."
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dont be trolled by the troll's troll.
 
Horselover

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Unfortunately, I think I lack the skills and competitive spirit required to be in there.

Otherwise I'd go for it.
 
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Ippongi Ryuta

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Have none of you ever played Brawl party style? It's probably the most fun you'll ever have in videogames! And for the topic of competetive play (one on one, typically speaking), well...

Y'know how you always watch those action shows, and see characters doing the most insane **** you could imagine? And how, even if you couldn't DO it, you still wish there was a simulation of being able to do so? Well, for me; that's what the Smash series is. And Brawl capatilized on that, what with smooth air dodges and just much slicker looking combat. Wavedashing? L-Canceling? WHAT?! Did none of you ever realize the point of the game?

To simplify the entire fighting game formula in something that EVERYONE can enjoy! And when you start getting REALLY good at it, that's when you get to pull off awesome stuff as mention beforehand. I believe that Brawl is an amazing party game, and improves on the sheer awesomeness of having duels, too. I just don't understand what all the silly rage is about.
 
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Alright, I think the discussion has gone on for long enough, and at this point it's basically the same couple of arguments being thrown around. There's really not much point to this thread anymore, so I am locking it.
 
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Horselover said:
Alright, I think the discussion has gone on for long enough, and at this point it's basically the same couple of arguments being thrown around. There's really not much point to this thread anymore, so I am locking it.
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Awesome. Whenever you become a mod you go ahead and do that.
 
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