Ryu Match-Up Discussion

[Raethien]

I have had a lot of trouble with Ryu, as i'm sure a lot of people has. Please, post your tips on fighting the Wandering Warrior down below, and I will bring them up here for convenience.

Daymaster

This is widely considered to be Sheik's worst matchup, possibly as bad as 40-60 or even worse. Ryu simply destroys pretty much any character in close combat who is not specificity designed for fighting that way. For us our main strength lies in our Needle usage and better mobility, both of which allow us to avoid close combat with him. Should we ever get forced into a corner while fighting him up close, we need to space ourselves outside of his Weak Up Tilt range if we don't want to die at 20%. We should usually take even less risks than usual up close and be looking for either a window of opportunity to punish something like a careless roll or whiffed focus attack or a way to get out of his range. Keeping at least 2 Needles charged to beat out his focus attack is a good idea, but not necessary. Fortunately for us, Ryu is a relative fastfaller meaning almost our entire kit of setups and combos will work on him, but approaching him to get opportunities like those is extremely risky. Either be a god at footsies or be a patient camper.

 

[Daymaster]

This is widely considered to be Sheik's worst matchup, possibly as bad as 40-60 or even worse. Ryu simply destroys pretty much any character in close combat who is not specificity designed for fighting that way. For us our main strength lies in our Needle usage and better mobility, both of which allow us to avoid close combat with him. Should we ever get forced into a corner while fighting him up close, we need to space ourselves outside of his Weak Up Tilt range if we don't want to die at 20%. We should usually take even less risks than usual up close and be looking for either a window of opportunity to punish something like a careless roll or whiffed focus attack or a way to get out of his range. Keeping at least 2 Needles charged to beat out his focus attack is a good idea, but not necessary. Fortunately for us, Ryu is a relative fastfaller meaning almost our entire kit of setups and combos will work on him, but approaching him to get opportunities like those is extremely risky. Either be a god at footsies or be a patient camper.

 

[Emblem Lord]

THE HELL?!?!

Throw needles and run the **** away.

Even match.

 

[ArikadoSD]

THE HELL ???

capitalize on stage control, challenger her aerials, utilt as anti-air and kill at 60

win the match

 

[Emblem Lord]

If Ryu challenges he MUST be sure. He commits far more then her and this is more easily baited. Utilt as AA only works if you approach in an obvious manner and do so often and even then it will usually trade.

How does Ryu control a character with superior mobility and a strong escape option?

 

[ArikadoSD]

if sheik throws needles and runs away ryu automatically gets stage control by just walking and shielding

 

[Emblem Lord]

So then go around him and start all over. He is forced to guess if he wants to maintain that control. And by forcing Ryu to approach with shield, she is in a position to get a grab. It is Ryu who must predict sheik and thus she is in control. Also runaway doesn't mean run to the edge. You can play strong keep away and maintain center stage of you make the right choices.

Again the only way Ryu hits sheik is if she just insists on trying to outbutton him. If she accepts that she cannot trade blows head to head and doesn't rush him in a reckless manner, she will be fine. He cannot land trap her and she safeguards him harshly. Getting hit with utilt usually means sheik did something risky and was punished or Ryu flat out guessed and was rewarded. The latter will happen, but the former is well within your control.

If any sheiks live in the USA and wanna lab the match, please post up. Easy coast and mid west only though.