Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Swiss]

Will catch up asap, sincere apologies for my activity.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Vote: Soup

This isn't even counting his terrible reactions to what S-Tier did. Just look at how he interacted with Spidey yesterday when both were up for lynch. Spidey joined S-Tier in the initial wagon, but then spontaneously unvoted without any real reason to do so (don't remember whatever reason he BSed). Soup dragged his heels on the Spidey lynch, constantly looking for excuses not to join the wagon when it was deadline and we had decided on a lynch. That's shady as **** on top of what S-Tier did. Soup's scum and needs to be lynched.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I like No Name. I don't like soup. Upon soup scum flip, I would want Allegory dead. I have a very good reason for this and Vandy agrees with me. I will show that in my next post. : 3

You can't let him do that, and frankly, I can't let him do that.

Vote: Spidermang

I don't see this as a vote of him finding Spidey scummy. I didn't understand it, and I felt it was like Soup was just voting on a side. Now it seems more like he was trying to distance with Spidey because of Spidey's dumb push on Swiss.

No, but I'm concerned about you, I find your reasoning on Swiss ill-advised and the only explanation I could find is merely RVS shenanigans.

Here he is trying to reason with Spidey. Basically implying that his push is dumb and that he is concerned by the way he is playing. He doesn't find this scummy, he's just worried about how Spidey appears to others. Something only scum worry about.

Of course I can let him do that.

Because if he can't, there must be a reason for it.

Is there anything wrong with me trying to get what I want, Soup? Why were you trying to discredit my push?

Here Spidey replies, asks him why he is discrediting him. Did Spidey ever find Soup scummy for this??? This sounds pretty empty.

Quote there. I don't understand the need to attack him on such little grounds, especially with his reputation. What do you think of his responses? Don't answer that, I already know that you're trying to goad information from him with the meaning of pushing him agressively.

Again this seems more like Soup trying to reason with Spidey because Soup knows Swiss wouldn't bite on Spidey's bait.

Underlined, he asks a question, then states that he doesn't have to answer because he KNOWS that he is trying to get information out of him. Meaning Soup was finding him... pro-town, right? But why is he voting him????

I know Swiss. You have to work with him to get what you want, he's stubborn. Him reacting to you that way is null, and I know this is partial meta.

More Soup reasoning with Spidey with Swiss reasons. He's trying to tell him that Swiss's reaction was null and that it would get him no where.

No, he has to work with me in this situation. I'm stubborn too.

Hell, you played with me in Math Blasters. You know how it goes. I get what I want.

Spidey being stubborn and giving self meta.

I didn't like the way he didn't respond either, but I looked at context and had another 180, I found your question deemable of an answer but him ignoring didn't imply much.

Why did you ask about those two specific players? What does him not answering about them make you think about the two?

Bold, first he gives a wishy washy read on Swiss. Says he doesn't like him but liked him after a re-read. This looks to me like him trying to keep his options open.

Underlined, this feels like fake scumhunting here. He should have asked these questions earlier. I don't really think he wanted to know about that info, rather, I don't think it helped him find scum.

Unvote

I see no reason to continue this further, You're stuck in your ways and arguing this point is going nowhere.

I'm gonna go grab some food and check the thread later.

This feels fake too. I don't think he was voting Spidey due to him finding him scummy, and is letting go just because Spidey is being 'too stubborn'? This is just like when he didn't want to vote Spidey near lynch.

Fair enough.

Yes, but what reasoning? I thought his reasoning was fair, he's busy and he has life johns. What would happen if he were never get back to you about those questions?

Again here it doesn't feel like he is scumhunting, but trying to reason with Spidey to stop his stupid push.

He had plenty of time to posts other posts, but couldn't even drop a few sentences on my question.

Spidey answers with something that may seem legit.

I'll await his responses, I really need to eat.

Soup responds with saying he'll wait for his replies and that he needs to eat.

Underlined, I feel SoupSCUM uses excuses to get away from the thread when he doesn't have an answer to something that can damn him later. He did the same thing when Bardull was being lynched in DK Mafia, he avoided the pressure on Bardull's wagon by leaving and then coming back to say that he didn't read and didn't know what was going on. Fake. This is why I poked him on this earlier on.

Your vote on Spidey is stupid. You seem to be voting on sides, and nothing is wrong with Spidey pressuring Swiss to answer his questions. I think they are very good questions too. What is your opinion on Swiss?

My question towards Soup.

So, will ya answer my question?

I prod him to answer my question.

No, you should read.

He tells me that he won't and that I should read. Why couldn't he just answer me there? I felt like he didn't have the answer.

I did eat.

I tell him I did read, and that he took a short while to eat. Ok, so he said he was going to wait for Swisse's responses to answer Spidey. He never did (Swiss responded, and Soup apparently ate)

You can read intentions and context, right? Me arguing against Spidermang, that would imply that I had a differing opinion of Swiss, right?

Here he tries to justify him not answering me by saying that the answer was implied. Why didn't he say that at first instead of refusing to answer me and tell me to go read?

Also keep in mind that he believed Spidey had GOOD INTENTIONS by asking Swiss those questions. I don't really know if he meant he thought Swiss was scum, but he never showed this. Again, this is fake. ****ing fake.

Now die scum.

Vote: Soup

He tries to distance with Spidey and tells him to stop his stupid push on Swiss because it can back fire. This only matters to Soup because appearance is their game. Allegory comes in to scum hunt on No Name. How nice. I'll show how this is scummy. (Upon Soup's scum flip)

Even without this this is a no brainer. But I wanted to state this to make sure he is dead.

I also want to say I got a bit confused with my reads during the middle of the game. I retract my scum read on Stier and AM. I got stuck on meta for Stier, and just a little scummy thing from AM. Same thing with No Name. I also retract my town read on Allegory. I liked his post about No Name because at the time I felt No Name was scum with Stier. This all changed with a re-read upon Spidey's flip. Yes, I'm glad Vandy was here to keep me focused and not get distracted.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Allegory case coming next. Die you filthy... cheeky... disgusting... rat *******... scum.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Ok. This was something I did just to show Vandy my thoughts on Allegory. At the time he had a slight town read but was worried about his wishy washyness and him being open with his options. He just thought he may have been a over thinking townie. But after I showed him this, he told me I should deff post it, so here it is:

consider this: #53

Please elaborate on this. I'm more than eager to disagree, but I would like to hear your reasoning first.

He attacks No Name while also saying he disagrees. Yet no push on Soup ever? I felt that was a bit odd on re-read

Now hey here is Allegory's next post: #198

I have no idea why you are blatantly refusing to explain your reasoning on a town read you got on Soupa in the beginning of the day, by your own sense of intuition and deduction.

Vote: The Account With No Name



Seeing you state this sort of disappoints me. I had hoped that if anyone was going to directly look at Swiss's play and come out with a scum/town case it would be you, Xonar, J, ect. who are people who have experience not only playing forum mafia, but playing forum mafia with Swiss or methods to capture players like him. I didn't see a reason though to call out Spidermang so soon, as there was still information that could be gotten from the push.

For one, Soup arguing that the optimal play would be to comply with Swiss strikes me as being largely unnecessary, especially when pressure was being applied early into the game and Swiss-Spidermang debate was infantile enough that it didn't realistically hinder either party from realistically scumhunting other slots at the same time. Don't know why Soup is playing the white knight, but I don't think a big boy like Swiss needs a lap dog.

My vote still stands. :3

He mentions soup (while voting No Name) yet doesn't really give a suspicion towards him. He disagreed with No Name's read, but doesn't give it now that No Name has given reasoning.

Bold, he seems to imply No Name refusing to give reasoning for his Soup Town read means No Name may be newb scum who doesn't want to get himself dug in a ditch. Underlined, he doesn't really give a read on Soup.

Next post: #201

Interesting. I actually drew out a different assumption from your statements regarding how you were planning on working with Swiss this game. I'm now holding you responsible to this standard. Don't disappoint me :D

Doesn't really show if he has a read on Soup. Just shows that he actually misunderstood Soup's view point, and is ok with it. Doesn't really draw a conclusion from it. Just says for him not to dissapoint him... I don't know why he said that.

Underlined, this just seems like distancing.

Next: #204

Roughly interpreted your Swiss posts as you treating Swiss as null, sitting on him being a null read, and then trying to find out his alignment via PoE. Out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to rebuke Spidermang? Lacking intuition here, but I just don't find it to be a stance that town would immediately take. Even with meta, I find your decision awkward.



Hi John. Why is Guus so hesitant about explaining his own reads, after the entire town knows that it is his read? Will you punish him for having bad reads? Is it because Spidermang is a giant meanie? Are you afraid of Spiders mang?

Underlined, he mentions an... awkward feeling of Soup. It's like he is slowly feeling... no warming up to a soup scum read. As opposed to his No Name scum read that came like *snap* (I even snapped man whew) Maybe I could be looking at it wrong? You tell me.

Next: #328

Swiss we haven't played before, I believe this is the first game. Why do you like me? If it is based on my play, then I'd be surprised. I think that I could have used the first day of D1 better.

In a bit of a rut with some things and unsure of how to proceed. If someone wants to drop some hints, it would be appreciated. S-Tier's #257 was pure comic gold with his lynch choices of JTB, Spider, gira, and Glyph. I admit that I was a bit ecstatic when you read me as town, but then I saw No Name above me and chuckled.

No Name I'm still disturbed by the fact that it took so long to delay giving me such a nonchalant answer. I don't take your explanation at face value at all that it was just a joke. For one, if it was a joke why did you really need to check with John to give you the green light to share it? For me, this screams safe play and being way too conscious about what information you're giving to the town. I would like to state that I didn't read carefully the first time with your interaction with Spidermang which you respond with the following when he treats your position as one being legitimate and with stances:



I honestly do not understand why you wouldn't just reference your #52 in response to my pressure on asking you to elaborate on a read.

For me this interaction poses two problems. The first problem is that your interaction with Spidermang strikes me as being out of place. It seems like after Spidermang criticized your approach to the game, you decided to drastically shift how you decided to play the hydra. I don't understand why you allowed to cave in to Spidermang or allowed his words to have such a clout that you would slow roll me an explanation for your previous play.

The second problem I have is that you had no reason to slow roll me an explanation, since you already had provided one. More or less the one that you already gave Spidermang which you could have nonchalantly references when I requested it. I would have expected you to go, "Hey stupid, look, I already stated this, learn to read." Or something along those lines. Subsequent play before my second press on you had been you releasing another town read.

I'd have to go back and check, but I remember looking at it and seriously wondering, this guy is releasing another town read on another dude, yet he can't even give me an explanation to an old read he outed way in the beginning of the game. I'm seriously in a rut with figuring out your shenanigans man.

I don't see anything about Soup, just NO Name. Which I liked at the time... because I was focused on No Name + Stier. Maybe he dropped the pressure? I just feel that he was trying to focus on No Name more than Soup for a dastardly reason...

Now hereeee: #332

I don't have a read on S-tier at the moment. He has helped me to start developing a more defined read on other slots, but as for any suggestions on his alignment, I haven't started to read into him at the moment.

AM is the same as S-tier, ironically. I've been having some trouble reading Soupa as Washed listed him as "good start" and I was reading Soupa as having a bad start when the game started.

AM gave me a better context to look at Spidermang's play, which is a simpler interpretation that held Spider to a higher standard of play. Not sure if I'm caving in to popularism, but the idea that Spidermang deserves to be pressured for his poor push on Swiss, makes the Soup slot more understandable.

Underlined, he mentions that he had trouble reading Soupa from the start (which I find hard to believe) and now only says that he read Soup as having a bad start, and not just being scummy. Even tho he did state disagreement on him being town early on. So this sounds to me like he was just saying "I'm eager to disagree on your town read" to have a reason to push on No Name.

Sorry for the long wall. I was going to just use links but I want people to see the underlined text too.

 

[S-Tier]

Totally a Soup kill. Ryu y u no shoot SoupaJdabooz

Vote: dabooz

 

[Swiss]

Surprised at the Soup hate. Though admittedly haven't read.

Can we talk about how fkin dumb Bardull is?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Surprised at the Soup hate. Though admittedly haven't read.

Can we talk about how fkin dumb Bardull is?

Only if you agree to Soup SCUM > Allegory scum. But don't worry you'll agree anyways once you read my two posts about em.

Stier what you think of my Allegory case?

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name ()
6. Soup~ (3) TAWNN, AM, Zapp
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz (1) S-Tier
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan ()
12. S-Tier ()
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, Soup, Allegory, GLG, Dabuz, J, Swiss

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is set for April 17th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[S-Tier]

What did Bardull do?

Ran switch to dabuz. I placed a trap on Soup so he wont be able to do anything tonight.

Also Allegory is town or something. Have you looked at his interactions with Spidey? I haven't, I'm just curious.

 

[zapp brannigan]

No. I want soup dead first.

Allegory isn't town. I haven't, can you point me to one of those posts?

 

[S-Tier]

Read my post again.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Oh lol you haven't either.

 

[The Account With No Name]

Can we talk about how fkin dumb Bardull is?

Hell yeah. I mean seriously, the guy posts like he's some anime villain in real life.

Joey, your powers of observation continue to serve you well. But step aside, this isn't of your concern.

I had been rofling my *** off during the whole conversation.

Swiss are you going to carry us yet?

 

[zapp brannigan]

I like Bardull. I feel he's just misunderstood. I like his playstyle and sillyness. Makes me laugh.

 

[S-Tier]

Oh I see. Anyways Ran like I said, Soup can't do anything tonight. So we should be killing dabuz instead.

 

[S-Tier]

Actually can we just like triple lynch today since we already know the scums?

 

[zapp brannigan]

But why you put a trap on Soup instead of Dabuz

I still don't wanna move. We use our voice and votes to win this game! Convince me that Dabuz is scum more than Soup if you want me to move.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Actually can we just like triple lynch today since we already know the scums?

Yeah mang Soup > Allegory > Dabooze

 

[S-Tier]

They are the same amount of scum because they are both scum.

I really don't want to have to do the work...

 

[The Account With No Name]

I'm not seeing how a Dabuz lynch would be justified over a Soup lynch. Can you help me see it, S-tier? If not, don't count on our vote to switch.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Well I just did some ****ing work. I'm not gonna move cuz of some trap thing. Soup is obv scum.

 

[The Account With No Name]

(Besides the fact that you laid a trap on Soup, that doesn't do much for me)

 

[S-Tier]

I can't remember if it was a dream that J was town or if I came to that realization in real life.

Uh yeah I think that was a dream.

J is scum, not Allegory.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I disagree. I kinda got indy vibes from J.

Even so if Soup flips scum then I'd be on Allegory. Just read my case bro. <3

 

[S-Tier]

Indy is the same as scum. I'm just saying he's scum. Doesn't matter whether he is mafiosi or not.
I read your case. Allegory is still town.
Soup lynch is so boring since we already know he is scum. Trap thing was a lie. I just want to see someone elses flip.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Yeah but I look for mafioso scum first babeh.

I disagree. Even so;

Soup is scum. I want him dead. And his flip would be funner cuz he IS obv scum. I'm not going for the OH MAYBE THE MAYBE SCUM option. Soup is obv scum compared to Dabooz. So plz can you vote Soup with me?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Hey No Name. Can you give me an opinion on my Allegory case?

 

[S-Tier]

Fine but I better get the doc protect tonight again. Otherwise there will be no one to take down J.

Vote: Soup

 

[The Account With No Name]

I'll read it again and sleep on it. It's getting late. Maybe you're in luck and could find John tonight, ready to answer it. If not, tomorrow.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Ok you can have the doc proc tonite again

 

[zapp brannigan]

Alright got ya No Name

 

[The Account With No Name]

Oh this doesn't need a long and eloquent opinion. You have legit points on Allegory and Soup connection. It looks like distancing and soft poking at him without any substance whatsoever. I wouldn't call him scum for it, because the whole thing relies on Soup being scum as well.
See, if we lynch Soup and he flips scum, your case would hold and Allegory is the one to look at. If Soup were to flip town however, the post doesn't hold much ground.

Personally, I'd say Soup is scum, so your connection between Allegory and Soup is legit to take into consideration, but you know, a connection....
I already have a feeling that Allegory plays a very rational, cold and planned-out game. I don't have a good idea if this is his town or scum play, but when he replaced in some Disco Room mafia (forgot which one), he made analytical posts of each page of the game and looked at things seperately, kind of like how he's looking at players individually and one at a time. His connections can seem weird, I think.

The connection is good, but not enough to solely lynch him for.


That turned out to be a pretty long and eloquent opinion after all!

 

[zapp brannigan]

Yeah that's why I post it ToDay. We never know when we might turn to dust...

And that's why I push for Soup ToDay. Soup is obv scum. If he flips scum, Allegory is dead next. If soupTOWN (which I highly doubt) , then it's just a waste of time. But I want everyone to have the opportunity to see that connection in the case Soup might flip scum.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Even if Allegory plays a cold and analytical game, he'll still have motivation depending on what alignment he is. Basically, his push on you felt like he knew Soup might have been scum, and that he would try to mislynch you through a scum connection.

Obv I feel his push on you was very... disgusting. I can't say opportunistic, because that isn't the word I'm looking for. Someone help me out! Maybe... Shady? Like he totally focused on you and forgot about soup entirely, and backed out of his read on Soup... when he told ya he disagreed with you, eagerly.

 

[S-Tier]

It matters because its an odd person to pose such a question to. If Xonar wants info on certain players, it makes more sense to ask someone he has played with and understands. I don't know what is going on in his mind that makes Swiss the first person he wants to ask.

Nothing is inherently wrong with pushing anti-town, I just don't like how hard he is pushing in this instance. After reading 47-62, it looks like Xonar just...does this kind of stuff.

When Swiss has something to look at, I will look at it. Right now he is null.

Note: Finished re-reading up to 62.

Logic doesn't make sense here. He was just asking fake questions.

I cannot tell you why yet.

lolwut.

Didn't even answer this I don't think.

You spelled Ryu wrong

Why did he say this?

Not sure whether to believe it. If we lynch JTB and he flips town, then I think it shows S-Tier is scum. If JTB flips scum on lynch, S-Tier can still be scum but it is more likely not a gambit and S-Tier is town.

Yeah.

Yeah Soup is scum.

Vote: Soup

unvote

Spider, how is that question any indication of scum?

Meta purposes. It's entirely against how SoupTown plays. I usually get an obvTown read on him within five posts when he's town. Now I haven't seen a post yet that I can 100% like, and some that I plain dislike.

Meta isn't a valid reason.

Meta is the most important thing in mafia.

No, intent is the most important thing in mafia.

dabuz why did you only unvote and not vote J who we were wagoning and who you wanted lynched before?

Intent is impossible to read accurately enough to depend on it without some degree of meta.

I am debating with as to whether or not you're scum is why. J is still scum though.

And you're scum.

Dabuz, you're town from this post onwards. Vote Soup with us.

Meta argument against Soup does not convince me. I will re-look in a little, but I believe nothing Soup did makes me want to vote him.

How is meta even a valid defense? If you know your own meta, it is awfully easy to play with it.

Called it so hard.

Dabunz is town mang. But I must say I'm influenced by earlier posts he made.

This isn't the same instance. DH full implied a defense while TAWNN is more confused about the situation, not understanding why I'm being voted.

His defense of Soup. His unvoting and not voting J. ]

 

[S-Tier]

I think Allegory is town. I've been having a good vibe from them this whole game, I don't really delve into things but their intentions so far have merit and they are looking at things with their own taste. Kuz once said that a scum-tell on Acrostic was if he was fillering his statements, but I think that's just who Acrostic is.

Why Acro is town.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Why Acro is town.

Meta doesn't convince me. **** he fillered his statements in my newb and was town there. I'm looking at his intent here.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Not sure whether to believe it. If we lynch JTB and he flips town, then I think it shows S-Tier is scum. If JTB flips scum on lynch, S-Tier can still be scum but it is more likely not a gambit and S-Tier is town.

This was the scummy scum thing I find Dabuz scummy of. Besides his null post on swiss.

I don't think Soup was scummy for asking "Why did you do that Zen??!?!?!"

I think soup is scummy for his other actions. So it's possible Dabuz didn't see the scum in that either.

The unvote I dunno.

 

[Dabuz]

Hmmmm, S-Tier trying to pressure me.

I'll respond ASAP, which I hope will be tonight.