Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

I'm expecting a max ammount of 12 newcomers.

 

[Arcanir]

Good afternoon all, hope you're all doing well. Was the topic for a while really competitive pokemon talk? I love you guys sometimes, too bad I missed it. Anyways, our topic is expected amount of newcomers? I just say keep it reasonable and keep it around 11-12 (Which includes Mewtwo's return)

I'll have to ask you about that later, I'd love to have some tips for my team.

10-12 for newcomers I'd say is a good guess assuming we're getting as minimal cuts as possible.

 

[Gunla]

Wow, really? That's cool. So far I've only gotten Mega Man.

I'm humiliated though that I didn't predict Mega Man.

Having 50 would definitely be plausible if two are Mewtwo and Roy.

This. This very much.

 

[josh bones]

Well, so far I guessed WFT and Villager. I'm a ways away from really guessing him fully.

...Can I ask why you think this?

Because lisencing issues.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm humiliated though that I didn't predict Mega Man.

Lol, really?

 

[The Nerd]

With Mewtwo I'm betting 12-13.

Good afternoon all, hope you're all doing well. Was the topic for a while really competitive pokemon talk? I love you guys sometimes, too bad I missed it. Anyways, our topic is expected amount of newcomers? I just say keep it reasonable and keep it around 11-12 (Which includes Mewtwo's return)

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

I'm betting 0. Everyone in Brawl was essentially...well, essential. If there were cuts I would imagine 2: Lucas and Wolf. But, I don't think there will be veteran cuts.

 

[Gunla]

Lol, really?

Yeah. Seriously, that's the ONE character I didn't expect.

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

I'm not thinking we're getting any Brawl cuts this time around. If we got any, they'd not only be slightly non-sensical but also it'd become a void.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

Two words. Toon Link. I'm very doubtful of any cuts at this point, unless all those crazy Fire Emblem debaters were right and we'll always lose the last character for a new character plus Marth. They would have to run into some serious problems to have to end up cutting characters.

 

[josh bones]

I'm betting 0. Everyone in Brawl was essentially...well, essential. If there were cuts I would imagine 2: Lucas and Wolf. But, I don't think there will be veteran cuts.

I think snake or pokemon trainer will be cut before wolf.

 

[IsmaR]

Everyone expecting no cuts probably also thinks they will live past 100.

 

[Gunla]

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK POKEMON TRAINER IS GOING TO GET CUT!?
Seriously, someone explain this to me.

Everyone expecting no cuts probably also thinks they will live past 100.

Or... optimism. That's a thing.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think snake or pokemon trainer will be cut before wolf.

Well, now I have to buy a new laptop! You made me spit soda all over it.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'll have to ask you about that later, I'd love to have some tips for my team.

10-12 for newcomers I'd say is a good guess assuming we're getting as minimal cuts as possible.

Feel free to, I'm currently doing re-workings to my online team so I'll give what tips I can.

Also, not to bring this conversation into a Fire Emblem discussion, but after completing Fire Emblem Awakening for the third time yesterday, I want to design a completely unique moveset for Chrom. And yes, it's quite possible.

 

[josh bones]

Well, now I have to buy a new laptop! You made me spit soda all over it.

3 characters, thrice as long to develop.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

3 characters, thrice as long to develop.

Oh, I see. So because Mario has 3 characters they should all be cut. Because it takes too long to develop them.
As we all know, Sakurai wouldn't want to waste his time developing essential characters if there are a lot of them.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

I think it'll depend on time constraints, there really isn't a character that really needs to get the axe this time around but I'd imagine that there are characters considered low priority if push comes to shove. So at best, I think we'll get a Mewtwo situation where the character(s) cut are ones that just didn't make it in time rather then being intentionally removed.

Feel free to, I'm currently doing re-workings to my online team so I'll give what tips I can.

Thanks! Unfortunately I have to head off to class so it'll be a while until I can get back on, good luck on those re-workings!

 

[josh bones]

Oh, I see. So because Mario has 3 characters they should all be cut. Because it takes too long to develop them.

As we all know, Sakurai wouldn't want to waste his time developing characters.

Mario Luigi and Peach Confirmed to share a slot? This man should be genius of the year.

 

[RankoChan]

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

Most of the characters cut from Melee were replaced by more recent characters in their series except Dr. Mario and Pichu.
- Roy replaced was by Ike
- Mewtwo was replaced by Lucario
- Young Link was replaced by Toon Link

We'll probably see a similar pattern with Brawl cuts if there are any. The characters I see with the highest chances of being cut are Snake, Ike, Lucario, Lucas, Jigglypuff (she was almost cut in Brawl), Pokemon Trainer, and Falco/Wolf.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Cutting Pokemon Trainer means no Mewtwo. There is literally no way Mewtwo would get in over Pokemon Trainer. He's no where near as important or advertised.

Mario Luigi and Peach Confirmed to share a slot? This man should be genius of the year.

What does sharing one slot have to with ANYTHING?

 

[Gunla]

Feel free to, I'm currently doing re-workings to my online team so I'll give what tips I can.

Hey, that's what I'm doing as well!
Gonna try out an old favorite of mine in a new way, outside of Sand Teams.

Cutting Pokemon Trainer means no Mewtwo. There is literally no way Mewtwo would get in over Pokemon Trainer. He's no where near as important or advertised.

Sadly, I gotta agree. The Trainer is the LITERAL persona of the player. It's a crux of sorts.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, now I have to buy a new laptop! You made me spit soda all over it.

I'm pretty sure Laptop keyboards are spill-proof these days.

Jokes aside, I don't see Pokémon trainer getting cut. The Mega Evolutions and the Pokémon Origins movie has taken his importance in the series to a whole new level, higher than it was pre-Brawl, in fact. Moreso because Sakurai uses the Pokémon movies to determine what is hot and what is not in Pokémon. He is probably near the top of the priority list.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Most of the characters cut from Melee were replaced by more recent characters in their series except Dr. Mario and Pichu.
- Roy replaced was by Ike
- Mewtwo was replaced by Lucario
- Young Link was replaced by Toon Link

We'll probably see a similar pattern with Brawl cuts if there are any. The characters I see with the highest chances of being cut are Snake, Ike, Lucario, Lucas, Jigglypuff (she was almost cut in Brawl), Pokemon Trainer, and Falco/Wolf.

You have much to learn.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Well, Sakurai does have a larger and better development team this time from Namco, compared to the inexperienced Game Arts which developed Brawl.

Experience does also mean showing some insight as well. But I guess unlike with Brawl, any oversights that get spotted with Smash 4 after its release can simply be patched up with software updates now.

 

[Gunla]

On another note, I don't see Sakurai cutting Jigglypuff. That's pretty much THE Top Priority. Ignore this.

 

[josh bones]

Cutting Pokemon Trainer means no Mewtwo. There is literally no way Mewtwo would get in over Pokemon Trainer. He's no where near as important or advertised.
Melee no longer exists?


What does sharing one slot have to with ANYTHING?
To add pokemon trainer, they have to develop moves for 4 characters.So for slots. Nobody in Mario shares a slot, that's the diffrence

Responses are bold.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Everyone expecting no cuts probably also thinks they will live past 100.

Explain to me why Toon Link was one of the first revealed veterans. If Sakurai has already finished the paddy clone characters, surely he must have finished everyone else beforehand.

I think snake or pokemon trainer will be cut before wolf.

He isn't just going to cut the main protagonist of Pokemon after he finally added him in Brawl, that's just ridiculous. He also wouldn't get rid of Snake after he already went through the trouble of adding him in the first place. Pretty sure he must still be friends with Kojima too.

Most of the characters cut from Melee were replaced by more recent characters in their series except Dr. Mario and Pichu.
- Roy replaced was by Ike
- Mewtwo was replaced by Lucario
- Young Link was replaced by Toon Link

Young Link was the only character literally replaced in Brawl, and Pichu was the only intentional cut. Roy, Mewtwo, and even Dr. Mario were planned for Brawl, but got the axe when Sonic suddenly took center stage at the end of development. The three of them still have data left in Brawl, along with data for newcomers that didn't make the final cut because of Sonic. Ike and Lucario had nothing to do with the loss of Roy and Mewtwo.

 

[RankoChan]

You have much to learn.

???

I only listed the characters I see as having the highest chances of being replaced or cut. I didn't say I want them to be or think they will be cut.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If we get any cut's snake is at the top of the list.

Not this again.

3rd party characters are automatically priority because they requires contracts. So no, Snake isn't on the chopping block if he's planned.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm more or less in agreement with you guys. Do you think characters will be cut from Brawl & if so how many? I'm betting 3-4.

There's a thing about the cuts between Melee and Brawl that people don't really understand, but the fact is that it was made to clear out the unnecessary characters (Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario) While Mewtwo and Roy were left out thanks to time constraints. The thing is...this time around...there are no unnecessary characters, the Brawl roster was very well-structured and representative of each franchise. I don't think overall cuts are something we really need to worry about.

Hey, that's what I'm doing as well!
Gonna try out an old favorite of mine in a new way, outside of Sand Teams.

What would your old favorite be? Because I'm currently getting a Huge Power Adamant Nature Azumarill with Belly Drum and Aqua Jet.

 

[josh bones]

???

I only listed the characters I see as having the highest chances of being replaced or cut. I didn't say I want them to be or think they will be cut.

Ike is not getting replaced or cut, Most popular lord.

 

[FalKoopa]

???

I only listed the characters I see as having the highest chances of being replaced or cut. I didn't say I want them to be or think they will be cut.

He is referring to your comments that Roy and Mewtwo were replaced by Ike and Lucario respectively.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We do need to keep in mind that we might still be stuck with only two 3rd party reps. If that's the case, Solid Snake is out of the job.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

To add pokemon trainer, they have to develop moves for 4 characters.So for slots. Nobody in Mario shares a slot, that's the diffrence

What the **** is this logic? To add Mario, Luigi, and Peach they have to develop moves for three characters. Why does it make a difference if they are connected through one character? What does the length of development time have to with your priority? What does being integrated into one character have to do with your priority now? Let alone in Brawl?

Also Pokemon Trainer himself does not have a move set nor is he playable.

Melee no longer exists?

What exactly is your point? We had Pichu and Roy in Melee. Does that mean they are still higher priority than the Brawl cast because they were in Melee and the Brawl characters weren't? What sense does that make?

 

[RankoChan]

He is referring to your comments that Roy and Mewtwo were replaced by Ike and Lucario respectively.

Ah, I see thanks for the clarification. To add to my point those characters (Ike/Lucario) still had higher priority over Roy/Mewtwo who were planned but cut due to time restraints. Which could easily happen with the new games.

 

[josh bones]

What the **** is this logic? To add Mario, Luigi, and Peach they have to develop moves for three characters. Why does it make a difference if they are connected through one character? What does the length of development time have to with your priority? What does being integrated into one character have to do with your priority now? Let alone in Brawl?
First off, 1+1+1 does not equal 4. If you cut Pokémon trainer you are technically cutting 4 characters.

Also Pokemon Trainer does not have a move set nor is he playable.
You got me there.

What exactly is your point? We had Pichu and Roy in Melee. Does that mean they are still higher priority than the Brawl cast because they were in Melee and the Brawl characters weren't? What sense does that make?
You said Mewtwo should never get I before PT, so I gave him an example where he did.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ah, I see thanks for the clarification. To add to my point those characters (Ike/Lucario) still had higher priority over Roy/Mewtwo who were planned but cut due to time restraints. Which could easily happen with the new games.

Well there is no Fire Emblem character higher priority than Ike and Marth. So I don't see how that could happen.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

We do need to keep in mind that we might still be stuck with only two 3rd party reps. If that's the case, Solid Snake is out of the job.

There's no evidence to support that though. Sakurai said he wouldn't go willy nilly with 3rd parties, not that we could only have 2. I don't see why Sakurai would cut Snake anyway.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

First off, 1+1+1 does not equal 4. If you cut Pokémon trainer you are technically cutting 4 characters.

Clearly you are the one that can't count because ++= 3.

< This guy is not playable nor does he have his own move set. I only made a typo. You actually miscounted twice.

Again, explain to me why characters are low priority because they take longer to develop than others or are integrated together.

 

[Louie G.]

Again, explain to me why characters are low priority because they take longer to develop than others or are integrated together.

Wouldn't that make them HIGHER priority?