Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Sakurai should change Ness Final Smash to the "PSI Rockin"

 

[NickerBocker]

For K Rool, the more time goes on, the more I start leaning towards Dixie. Its unfortunate, because even Sakurai addressed his popularity in MELEE, but as time passes, less people become familiar with his character and he slowly fades into obscurity.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I don't think we'll see a new rep for Donkey Kong, period.

That's funny, because I feel a new DK rep is one of the most likely things to happen character wise.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

My problem was that the defenders last night were basically saying that everything is generic.

Lol wut. Not even close to making any sense. If Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon were generic, then I doubt they would make the money they do.

Fire Emblem has several distinct main characters, especially Ike.

There are many endgame bosses who are "unbeatable" or powerful in many different types of games. That's all Tabuu is. One appearance means nothing for his importance.

Ugh...I just despise really terrible arguments. Especially when it happens all the time in this thread.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If they do end up having to cut characters I feel Jigglypuff and Lucas would be the first to go, which I know a lot of people disagree with.

Lucas is at the top of the cut list imo, he's probably the character who currently brings the least to the roster. The fact that he hasn't seen an overseas release and is from a very obscure franchise to begin with also means that less people will have an attachment to him outside of Smash, thus cutting him won't wreak as much damage as cutting Ike or Wolf for example. This comes from someone who has played Mother 3 btw.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

I kind of liked Duon and Galleom honestly, though I would certainly have appreciated it if bosses from other franchises were included instead.

Duon resembled Pakia and Dialga or was it just me?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I don't think we'll see a new rep for Donkey Kong, period. If they do put one in, maybe Dixie. I doubt it though.

Donkey Kong is the 4th best selling franchise in the game iirc, the fact that it's being treaten on levels with the lowest selling franchise (Mother) is absolutely ridiculous. A Donkey Kong newcomer is probably the only thing I'm 100% will happen in this game, the question is whether it'll be Dixie or K. Rool.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wonder if Tabuu will actually make people want to buy the game if he's included.
As stated in Sakurai's criteria.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Lucas Final Smash should be "PK Love"

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Sakurai should change Ness Final Smash to the "PSI Rockin"

And Lucas can use PK Love.

 

[AncientTobacco]

For K Rool, the more time goes on, the more I start leaning towards Dixie. Its unfortunate, because even Sakurai addressed his popularity in MELEE, but as time passes, less people become familiar with his character and he slowly fades into obscurity.

That hasn't happened at all, though. K. Rool is still amongst the most requested characters in both the west and Japan.

 

[Morbi]

Lucas is at the top of the cut list imo, he's probably the character who currently brings the least to the roster. The fact that he hasn't seen an overseas release and is from a very obscure franchise to begin with also means that less people will have an attachment to him outside of Smash, thus cutting him won't wreak as much damage as cutting Ike or Wolf for example. This comes from someone who has played Mother 3 btw.

This is the sad truth, he offers a congruent play-style to Ness. The characters play differently, but the play-style is the same. So Lucas mains can fall back on a character with similar tools/tech. Most likely... the character that they used prior to Brawl. However, I find it disheartening as he is the more fun character in my opinion. I can't play Ness very efficiently and I am a Big Boss with Lucas. He is towards the top of the cut list though.

And Pokemon Trainer. I think everyone knows how I feel about him.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I wonder if Tabuu will actually make people want to buy the game if he's included.
As stated in Sakurai's criteria.

The criteria was to make people want to play the game iirc, at this point there's no single potential newcomer which will sell more copies, they're all in already.

 

[Deleted member]

I suppose I should explain what I was talking about yesterday like I said I would...

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Guys, I know people hate talking about relevancy (so do I), but let's take a moment and really consider who is the least relevant in the following list of characters: Lucario, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jiggilypuff, ROB, and Pokemon Trainer. If YOU HAD to arrange these characters in order from most relevant to least, how would you order them? And when I say relevancy, I mean relevancy in Nintendo's community today. I'm curious as to what you guys think.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Lucas is at the top of the cut list imo, he's probably the character who currently brings the least to the roster. The fact that he hasn't seen an overseas release and is from a very obscure franchise to begin with also means that less people will have an attachment to him outside of Smash, thus cutting him won't wreak as much damage as cutting Ike or Wolf for example. This comes from someone who has played Mother 3 btw.

That and also Ness already represents everything that Lucas does. As much as I love Lucas there really is no need for him.

 

[Gune]

atleast ness has one move he actually usses cannonically.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

This is the sad truth, he offers a congruent play-style to Ness. The characters play differently, but the play-style is the same. So Lucas mains can fall back on a character with similar tools/tech. Most likely... the character that they used prior to Brawl. However, I find it disheartening as he is the more fun character in my opinion. I can't play Ness very efficiently and I am a Big Boss with Lucas. He is towards the top of the cut list though.

And Pokemon Trainer. I think everyone knows how I feel about him.

Even though I think Earthbound is a million years better than Mother 3, thus I like Ness more than Lucas, I also find Lucas more fun to play in Smash. He doesn't feel as clunky.

 

[Gune]

Guys, I know people hate talking about relevancy (so do I), but let's take a moment and really consider who is the least relevant in the following list of characters: Lucario, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jiggilypuff, ROB, and Pokemon Trainer. If YOU HAD to arrange these characters in order from most relevant to least, how would you order them? And when I say relevancy, I mean relevancy in Nintendo's community today. I'm curious as to what you guys think.

Does not compute.

 

[Morbi]

I wonder if Tabuu will actually make people want to buy the game if he's included.
As stated in Sakurai's criteria.

It will have an antithetical effect on me, I will actually NOT want to buy the game.

The criteria was to make people want to play the game iirc, at this point there's no single potential newcomer which will sell more copies, they're all in already.

Mewtwo and Ridley might create some turbulence.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

OH GOD!!! ANOTHER UNIQUENESS ARGUMENT!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I suppose I should explain what I was talking about yesterday like I said I would...

I have no clue what the hell you are babbling on about.

 

[Morbi]

Guys, I know people hate talking about relevancy (so do I), but let's take a moment and really consider who is the least relevant in the following list of characters: Lucario, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jiggilypuff, ROB, and Pokemon Trainer. If YOU HAD to arrange these characters in order from most relevant to least, how would you order them? And when I say relevancy, I mean relevancy in Nintendo's community today. I'm curious as to what you guys think.

Lucario, Pokemon Trainer, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jigglypuff, and ROB.

However, this is a TRAP! Jigglypuff is still relevant in the context of Smash (which is the only pertinent condition relatable to her inclusion).

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Guys, I know people hate talking about relevancy (so do I), but let's take a moment and really consider who is the least relevant in the following list of characters: Lucario, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jiggilypuff, ROB, and Pokemon Trainer. If YOU HAD to arrange these characters in order from most relevant to least, how would you order them? And when I say relevancy, I mean relevancy in Nintendo's community today. I'm curious as to what you guys think.

Pokémon Trainer (3 relevant Pokémon beats out 1 relevant Pokémon) > Lucario > Wolf > Ike > R.O.B (mario kart ds lol) > Lucas > Jigglypuff.

Mewtwo and Ridley might create some turbulence.

As much as they're wanted I don't think they're going to move any copies. I mean, one or two people might not have bought Brawl for the sole reason that Mewtwo was cut. I'm fairly certain Sakurai doesn't care about those two people anyways. Ridley, nah, he's a character only hardcore Nintendo fans know very well, even I admit that I'll buy the game whether or not he's in despite being my favorite Nintendo character, heck, I did the same for Brawl. Sure they'd hype things up, but I don't believe they're going to make a noticeable difference in sales.

 

[The Nerd]

That's funny, because I feel a new DK rep is one of the most likely things to happen character wise.

I'm curious; why is this? I know he's seen an increase in popularity lately, but I don't see what Dixie brings as a unique character and K. Rool seems unlikely for a huge variety of reasons. Cranky Kong is a possibility that I can offer no logical rebuttal to other than he is not that popular to my knowledge, but nevertheless my gut instinct says there will be no new Donkey Kong character.

Donkey Kong is the 4th best selling franchise in the game iirc, the fact that it's being treaten on levels with the lowest selling franchise (Mother) is absolutely ridiculous. A Donkey Kong newcomer is probably the only thing I'm 100% will happen in this game, the question is whether it'll be Dixie or K. Rool.

Didn't know that. I'll retract my foolish and uneducated statement then, I throw my chips in on Dixie as well

Guys, I know people hate talking about relevancy (so do I), but let's take a moment and really consider who is the least relevant in the following list of characters: Lucario, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jiggilypuff, ROB, and Pokemon Trainer. If YOU HAD to arrange these characters in order from most relevant to least, how would you order them? And when I say relevancy, I mean relevancy in Nintendo's community today. I'm curious as to what you guys think.

Honestly, to my knowledge if you put Pokemon Trainer in the front of that list, I would say you had it from the get go. Pokemon Trainer is insanely popular and relevant with the new anime, and he's famous as one of the most powerful trainers to ever be fightable. He's also an actual protagonist Lucario is the first pokemon you get to see Mega Evolve in X & Y and has remained a reasonably steady fan favourite. Ike is the main character of a game that has begun to age slightly, but is still important. Wolf is the antagonist of a franchise that is rapidly fading out hard; I would strongly argue that we do not need three reps from it anymore, especially where they do not offer anything spectacularly different from each other. Lucas is the protag of one game that was japan only that came out a year ago; no one can debate that. Jiggly was a character in an anime, an a smash character. ROB was a hardware accessory that got some cameos in other games.

There are, however, plenty of arguments as to why Jiggly will be in smash regardless of relevance; frankly speaking their are entire franchises outside of smash that are less relevant than her.

Man, I cannot see Tabuu being in the game as a playable character. Perhaps as a final boss of an adventure mode, at best.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Donkey Kong is the 4th best selling franchise in the game iirc, the fact that it's being treaten on levels with the lowest selling franchise (Mother) is absolutely ridiculous. A Donkey Kong newcomer is probably the only thing I'm 100% will happen in this game, the question is whether it'll be Dixie or K. Rool.

Why not both???

 

[Morbi]

Just to clarify, when I put Pokemon Trainer behind Lucario in "relevancy," I was specifically referring to Pokemon Trainer. I wasn't collectively thinking of... well... of Charizard.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Heck, at this point it could easily be argued that Pokémon Trainer is more relevant than Mewtwo honestly. He has an anime special centered all around him, he has 3 relevant Pokémon who are all available in X & Y and all have Mega Evolution (one of them even has two), and all have been used as the primary means of promotion for the game (the commercials have variants with all 3 starters, but in general treat Charizard like a king.) Game Freak will definitely want him to return, there's no character other than Pikachu that they should want in the game as badly.

 

[The Nerd]

Heck, at this point it could easily be argued that Pokémon Trainer is more relevant than Mewtwo honestly. He has an anime special centered all around him, he has 3 relevant Pokémon who are all available in X & Y and all have Mega Evolution (one of them even has two), and all have been used as the primary means of promotion for the game (the commercials have variants with all 3 starters, but in general treat Charizard like a king.) Game Freak will definitely want him to return, there's no character other than Pikachu that they should want in the game as badly.

He's also far and away the most work as a character. I feel like they might put in Charizard but cut Squirtle and Ivysaur. Hard to say though. I do agree on your point with relevancy though.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Why not both???

That'd be great, buuuuuut I'm not sure what the chances are of it happening. If they include K. Rool first and then later include Dixie as a last minute clone, or integrate Dixie into Diddy's moveset, then it could happen, but I don't see both being a priority honestly.

He's also far and away the most work as a character. I feel like they might put in Charizard but cut Squirtle and Ivysaur. Hard to say though. I do agree on your point with relevancy though.

Yeah, worst case scenario is that it's going to be cut down to only Charizard, but the Dragon Fire/Flying-type is definitely staying. They've made him once before though, so I'm sure they'll be able to bring all 3 of them back.

 

[Morbi]

Heck, at this point it could easily be argued that Pokémon Trainer is more relevant than Mewtwo honestly. He has an anime special centered all around him, he has 3 relevant Pokémon who are all available in X & Y and all have Mega Evolution (one of them even has two), and all have been used as the primary means of promotion for the game (the commercials have variants with all 3 starters, but in general treat Charizard like a king.) Game Freak will definitely want him to return, there's no character other than Pikachu that they should want in the game as badly.

Wasn't Red the character in the special?

Okay, if we are just lumping in everything pertinent to Pokemon Trainer, he is probably the most relevant character in the game (aside from Mario).

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Dixie can be pretty unique, having a moveset that mostly consists of attacking with her hair. Also what does K. Rool have going against him other than not being in a major DK game in a while?

 

[Morbi]

Dixie can be pretty unique, having a moveset that mostly consists of attacking with her hair. Also what does K. Rool have going against him other than not being in a major DK game in a while?

Sindel Dixie actually sounds pretty fun. Although, I am still not too receptive to the notion as I can literally only view her as Diddy with a weave.

Spoiler

 

[BluePikmin11]

So who do you prefer for a hair-based moveset, Bayonetta or Dixie Kong?

 

[Morbi]

So who do you prefer for a hair-based moveset, Bayonetta or Dixie Kong?

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... um... Bayonetta.

Although, the only real chance for a hair-based move-set is Dixie Kong. So maybe I will go with her... SO MANY OPTIONS!

 

[The Nerd]

Dixie can be pretty unique, having a moveset that mostly consists of attacking with her hair. Also what does K. Rool have going against him other than not being in a major DK game in a while?

I will admit this is very much second-hand information but I believe there is some licensing issues between Nintendo and Rare, where Rare owns K. Rool. This is a huge problem because it's unlikely Nintendo will bother with trying to buy him back; Diddy, who also was said to suffer from these problems, is a classic, well-known and well-loved side kick. K. Rool, on the other hand has a much smaller fanbase by comparison, especially outside the smash community. Especially where they have been ignoring him in recent games, it seems unlikely they'd put him in, even if they did manage to get him. I suspect he will be relegated to the past, much like Donkey Kong Junior.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

That'd be great, buuuuuut I'm not sure what the chances are of it happening. If they include K. Rool first and then later include Dixie as a last minute clone, or integrate Dixie into Diddy's moveset, then it could happen, but I don't see both being a priority honestly.

Donkey Kong series is popular enough to have 4 Reps. (Dixie Kong and Diddly Kong look exactly the same but their play-style will be difference.)

Just like Mario and Luigi.......[/quote]

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

I will admit this is very much second-hand information but I believe there is some licensing issues between Nintendo and Rare, where Rare owns K. Rool. This is a huge problem because it's unlikely Nintendo will bother with trying to buy him back; Diddy, who also was said to suffer from these problems, is a classic, well-known and well-loved side kick. K. Rool, on the other hand has a much smaller fanbase by comparison, especially outside the smash community. Especially where they have been ignoring him in recent games, it seems unlikely they'd put him in, even if they did manage to get him. I suspect he will be relegated to the past, much like Donkey Kong Junior.

How the **** did he get in Mario Super Slugger for the wii... -___-

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I will admit this is very much second-hand information but I believe there is some licensing issues between Nintendo and Rare, where Rare owns K. Rool. This is a huge problem because it's unlikely Nintendo will bother with trying to buy him back; Diddy, who also was said to suffer from these problems, is a classic, well-known and well-loved side kick. K. Rool, on the other hand has a much smaller fanbase by comparison, especially outside the smash community. Especially where they have been ignoring him in recent games, it seems unlikely they'd put him in, even if they did manage to get him. I suspect he will be relegated to the past, much like Donkey Kong Junior.

Rare has nothing to do with the Kremlings. K. Rool has been in a fair share of Donkey Kong games after Rare was bought by Microsoft, Super Mario Sluggers included. K. Rool is 100% owned by Nintendo, otherwise he wouldn't even have a trophy in Brawl.

A lack of relevancy is literally the only downside of K. Rool.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

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How the **** did he get in Mario Super Slugger????? -___-

 

[Arcanir]

Guys, I know people hate talking about relevancy (so do I), but let's take a moment and really consider who is the least relevant in the following list of characters: Lucario, Ike, Wolf, Lucas, Jiggilypuff, ROB, and Pokemon Trainer. If YOU HAD to arrange these characters in order from most relevant to least, how would you order them? And when I say relevancy, I mean relevancy in Nintendo's community today. I'm curious as to what you guys think.

PT>Lucario>Ike>Wolf>Lucas>ROB>Jigglypuff

PT is very relevant just on the notion of his Pokémon, Charizard is easily one of the most popular and well-known Pokémon and they've been pushing him hard via Origins, his availability in XY and getting 2 Mega evolutions. Really, just on his own he's relevant and would be at the top of this list, but he also has two other partners that are relevant as well, not to the same extent but still greatly so.

Lucario is easily second, coming back on the scene in B2W2 essentially replacing his replacement and he's been going strong since with a strong part in the marketing for both B2W2 and XY, appearances in the anime and merchandise as well as a role in XY, which many Pokémon cannot attest to getting. He's definitely one of the most prominent Pokémon now.

Ike has fallen a bit, but he has appeared in two games, he still made an appearance in the DLC for Awakening (and was the final one) along with getting a descendant which only Marth can say he got. Ultimately, he still has some good backing to him.

Wolf is just below Ike, he's important to his series and popular but isn't the main star and said series has really hit a slump in recent years, so that does hurt him more then the other three.

Lucas hails from the Mother series which has a strong cult following, but it can't be ignored that the series is currently done. Plus, his game is not too popular in Japan from what has been found by Tomato of the Earthbound fandom, in fact it's a contested sequel there.

ROB I wasn't sure where to put him but I think this is a good spot as he did make an appearance in Mario Kart and is an important part of Nintendo's history.

Jigglypuff has next-to-no relevance to her series anymore, she doesn't appear in the anime anymore and the only major thing she's gotten is being part of the initial Fairy type reveal, which she was then pushed aside for Gardevoir and especially Sylveon. Having said that, this is only considering relative to her series, in Smash she's one of the 12 veterans which is highly held.